Kargil War: from Pakistani point if view.....

[M. Sarmad]

The question here is not about what I could find, let me refresh your memory

You still deny that Punjab and Modern day Pakistan was a part of Muslim Empires for 1000 years after the advent of islam ?? So the forefathers of Pakistanis were never ruled by Hindus ever since The message of Islam came to India !! Can the Indian Hindus say that their forefathers were never ruled by Muslims ?? Thats what makes Pakistanis feel proud and Indian Hindus feel jealous . i wonder how you guys deny the millenia long Muslim dominance in South Asia and when you are shown the mirror of History , You guys say that it is the "twisted pakistani version" , which infact is the established history.. Its your education system that needs a revision

 

[nForce]

So thats all you could find ? Ofcourse we know very well about the tyrannical rule of sikhs that lasted around 50 years only , and that too , over some part of present day Pakistan . At that time , the British were already in India . We were later ruled by the british . We never deny that . Try hard and make a list , Then we can compare the Muslim rule to Hindu rule over present day Pakistan , and then you will have no difficulty in understanding what is actually being told to you

@joekrish
Punjab, Pakistan - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Muhammad bin Qasim was the first to bring message of Islam to the population of Punjab. Over the next millennium Punjab was part of Muslim Empires consisting of Afghans, Pashtoon, and Turkic in cooperation with local Punjabi tribes and others, which facilitated a millennium long Islamic dominance across South Asia and with its peak during large parts of the Mughal Empire . During the reign of Mahmud of Ghazni, the province became an important centre with Lahore as its second capital of the Ghaznavid Empire based out of Afghanistan.

Some Muslim dynasties had been rulers in India, same holds true for some Hindu, Sikh, Buddhist.How do you related yourself to that? Do you belong to any of the dynasties? If so, then where is your empire?You might very well be the descendent of a janitor who used to clean Akbar's darbar, who knows.How come that makes you a ruler?
If you indeed want to be proud about something, then you need to earn it, the hard way.

 

[karan.1970]

You still deny that Punjab and Modern day Pakistan was a part of Muslim Empires for 1000 years after the advent of islam ?? So the forefathers of Pakistanis were never ruled by Hindus ever since The message of Islam came to India !! Can the Indian Hindus say that their forefathers were never ruled by Muslims ?? Thats what makes Pakistanis feel proud and Indian Hindus feel jealous . i wonder how you guys deny the millenia long Muslim dominance in South Asia and when you are shown the mirror of History , You guys say that it is the "twisted pakistani version" , which infact is the established history.. Its your education system that needs a revision

 

[oFFbEAT]

You still deny that Punjab and Modern day Pakistan was a part of Muslim Empires for 1000 years after the advent of islam ?? So the forefathers of Pakistanis were never ruled by Hindus ever since The message of Islam came to India !! Can the Indian Hindus say that their forefathers were never ruled by Muslims ?? Thats what makes Pakistanis feel proud and Indian Hindus feel jealous . i wonder how you guys deny the millenia long Muslim dominance in South Asia and when you are shown the mirror of History , You guys say that it is the "twisted pakistani version" , which infact is the established history.. Its your education system that needs a revision

What is your point....
Before the advent of Islam, it was ruled for thousands of years by Hindus and Buddhists, then by Muslims, then again by Hindu Marathas, then by Sikhs, then by the Christian British.......and now by Muslims again as part of Pakistan.....and may be again by the Sikhs, when Khalistanis would recover their land....

Why should we take only the Muslim rule into account and leave out the rest......

 

[GURU DUTT]

You still deny that Punjab and Modern day Pakistan was a part of Muslim Empires for 1000 years after the advent of islam ?? So the forefathers of Pakistanis were never ruled by Hindus ever since The message of Islam came to India !! Can the Indian Hindus say that their forefathers were never ruled by Muslims ?? Thats what makes Pakistanis feel proud and Indian Hindus feel jealous . i wonder how you guys deny the millenia long Muslim dominance in South Asia and when you are shown the mirror of History , You guys say that it is the "twisted pakistani version" , which infact is the established history.. Its your education system that needs a revision

lolzz so your proud of the fact that your so called "brave and intellegent" ancesstors left hinduism and chose Islam am i right !!!

now please care to tell me isnt in islam you cant use caste names you can onli use your tribes name and that too after your fathers then why on earth most pakistanies love to call them Sain,chowdhary,rana, rajput,rao, khokhar, sethi, Malik , Butt which are in fact names of hindu castes???

also please care to tell me what great thing did pakistan achieve during its 66 years old history lolzzz you lost half your nation and people in 1971

your ISPR/GOP/PA tell you that they won 1965 & 1999 war so please care to tell me what were the objectives of those wars and what did you gain and what did you lost cause thats the onli thing thats relevent as per this thread ..hope u dontmind that sir

Thanks in advance please do care to respond in a proper manner withowt name calling hope thats not such a big task for you "intellegent" sir

 

[M. Sarmad]

Some Muslim dynasties had been rulers in India, same holds true for some Hindu, Sikh, Buddhist.How do you related yourself to that? Do you belong to any of the dynasties? If so, then where is your empire?

US has some nukes , same holds true for North Korea !! does it mean that US and North Korea are comparable ?? Similarly the Hindu dynasties are not even comparable to Islamic dynasties of South Asia !!
I realate to that because of my religion , something you guys can never understand . I relate to them because my muslim forefathers always were on the side of muslim armies against the Hindu armies

 

[joekrish]

You still deny that Punjab and Modern day Pakistan was a part of Muslim Empires for 1000 years after the advent of islam ?? So the forefathers of Pakistanis were never ruled by Hindus ever since The message of Islam came to India !! Can the Indian Hindus say that their forefathers were never ruled by Muslims ?? Thats what makes Pakistanis feel proud and Indian Hindus feel jealous . i wonder how you guys deny the millenia long Muslim dominance in South Asia and when you are shown the mirror of History , You guys say that it is the "twisted pakistani version" , which infact is the established history.. Its your education system that needs a revision

We as a country dont feel bad at all because some great Muslim kings have been a part of our great history, infact there have been a few who have appreciated our culture and added it to theirs. What I find funny here is you gloating that you ruled over us, where as the truth remains some muslim from some country ruled us and you claiming to be a part of them.

 

[M. Sarmad]

now please care to tell me isnt in islam you cant use caste names you can onli use your tribes name and that too after your fathers then why on earth most pakistanies love to call them Sain,chowdhary,rana, rajput,rao, khokhar, sethi, Malik , Butt which are in fact names of hindu castes???

In Islam we cant use our caste name but only tribe name ??? What do you mean by that ? Islam does not prohibit using titles and family(tribe) names , Islam only does not allow any discrimination on basis of Castes and tribes ... Since the earliest days of Islam , there were "Qureshi" kafirs as well as "Qureshi" Muslims . a "Rana" can be a Hindu and a "Rana" can be a muslim . If you want to say that if a "rajput" converts to Islam , he does not remain "rajput" any more , then it is a problem with your understanding which has nothing to do with "fact"

also please care to tell me what great thing did pakistan achieve during its 66 years old history lolzzz you lost half your nation and people in 1971
your ISPR/GOP/PA tell you that they won 1965 & 1999 war so please care to tell me what were the objectives of those wars and what did you gain and what did you lost cause thats the onli thing thats relevent as per this thread ..hope u dontmind that sir

We achieved the status of "Invincible for Indians" , thanks to the nukes !! despite all your hate , you cant wage a war against us anymore .. We defended our land in 1965 and the whole world knows that , we dont need your recognition on that .. And you guys know very well that we are a threat to your existance , Survival of one lies in the extinction of the other .. We will see what happens in the future

 

[nForce]

US has some nukes , same holds true for North Korea !! does it mean that US and North Korea are comparable ?? Similarly the Hindu dynasties are not even comparable to Islamic dynasties of South Asia !!
I realate to that because of my religion , something you guys can never understand . I relate to them because my muslim forefathers always were on the side of muslim armies against the Hindu armies

lame, as it may sound, your post, still I will answer that..

Firstly, how do you know for a fact that you belong to one of the invading dynasties? Which one it is ?You may be a muhajir, you know what that means and who gave you that name right?Your forefathers may have been among those forcefully converted or created by fancy of some petty wannabe Genghis Khan laskher, which is actually true for many.The question is how do you know that?

I have said this before and I will say it again, if the queen of England and some maid in Russia, both are Christians, then does that make that maid a queen too?
That way, almost any tom dick or harry is a ruler then... lol..You have been reading history books or smoking pot? seriously....

 

[M. Sarmad]

We as a country dont feel bad at all because some great Muslim kings have been a part of our great history, infact there have been a few who have appreciated our culture and added it to theirs

Now that is exactly what we call "slave mentality" ... Muslims are one nation according to the teachings of Islam , Thats how we are related to every other Muslim living at any time .. you guys cant understand this and that is the basic problem

 

[GURU DUTT]

In Islam we cant use our caste name but only tribe name ??? What do you mean by that ? Islam does not prohibit using titles and family(tribe) names , Islam only does not allow any discrimination on basis of Castes and tribes ... Since the earliest days of Islam , there were "Qureshi" kafirs as well as "Qureshi" Muslims . a "Rana" can be a Hindu and a "Rana" can be a muslim . If you want to say that if a "rajput" converts to Islam , he does not remain "rajput" any more , then it is a problem with your understanding which has nothing to do with "fact"




We achieved the status of "Invincible for Indians" , thanks to the nukes !! despite all your hate , you cant wage a war against us anymore .. We defended our land in 1965 and the whole world knows that , we dont need your recognition on that .. And you guys know very well that we are a threat to your existance , Survival of one lies in the extinction of the other .. We will see what happens in the future

well sir according to islam you cannot use Kafir names RANA, RAJPUTS and RAO are names of HINDU caste group which are symbolick to rulers or son of rulersthey are not tribes as you love to call them
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lolzzz pakistani by using the hindu caste names and calling them tribes name lolzzz what do u call it slave mindset or Ehsaas ke kamtari from arabs who look them down and call them "taal rafiques " & "haza miskeen"

well as for your neukes which you think have made you invincible there isnt there a debate in your nation "is pakistan gaurding neukes or neukes gaurding pakistani interests"

 

[oFFbEAT]

Now that is exactly what we call "slave mentality" ... Muslims are one nation according to the teachings of Islam , Thats how we are related to every other Muslim living at any time .. you guys cant understand this and that is the basic problem

'according to the teachings of Islam' but in reality they always fight amongst themselves.....
You claim that your Muslim forefathers were always against Hindus, but who were your forefathers, Arabs, Turks, Persians, Mughals?....

You know how many Muslims Nader Shah(a Muslim) killed after defeating the Mughals?.....

 

[M. Sarmad]

Firstly, how do you know for a fact that you belong to one of the invading dynasties? Which one it is ?You may be a muhajir, you know what that means and who gave you that name right?Your forefathers may have been among those forcefully converted or created by fancy of some petty wannabe Genghis Khan laskher, which is actually true for many.The question is how do you know that?

let me ask you "How do you know for a fact that you are the son of your father and your father was the son of his accepted father " ???
We know about our ancestors from the traditions of our families and that is the case for majority of us in Pakistan (not sure about Indians or Muhajirs though)
The fact is that Islam spread in south asia by the preachings of Sufis . "Forced conversions" is a theory propagated by Hindus but has no solid grounds , a lot of literature and history writings confirm that force conversion theory is a myth . (or if you have any proofs , bring them forward) ...
Too much "if`s" by you . Come up with something solid

 

[nForce]

Now that is exactly what we call "slave mentality" ... Muslims are one nation according to the teachings of Islam , Thats how we are related to every other Muslim living at any time .. you guys cant understand this and that is the basic problem

You know what slave mentality is? The fact that you think that you think that muslims are one nation, the fact that you still try to think yourself as some how close to the invaders from the Arab lands or Uzbekistan.

While they dont own it all!!They would like to think of themselves as an Arab and, my good friend, not a Pakistani.You still try to be close to them,some keep Arab names even,others speak Urdu, instead of Punjabi.What do you call this mentality? This is slave mentality..all those who think on these lines are mental slaves to the Arabs and would not mind submitting to them.

Long time back the people living in the river banks of Indus river got spanked by the invaders and were converted,enslaved.Now this slavery has gone into your genes it seems.

No matter how hard you scream here, do you know what will happen if you go to Saudi Arabia and say,"Hello chaps, since I am a muslim, hence I belong to the al-Saud family?". The best possible outcome is, they will throw you in a mental institution,forget the worst, you ignorant fool.

 

[M. Sarmad]

well sir according to islam you cannot use Kafir names RANA, RAJPUTS and RAO are names of HINDU caste group which are symbolick to rulers or son of rulersthey are not tribes as you love to call them

Source please , and no video link you guys are posting works here ... So stop wasting time please

Rest nothing in your Post deserves to be taken seriously