Karachi, Sindh - Pakistan's achilles heal?

[Indus Pakistan]

Sindhi Muslims are slaves of their own fuedals for centuries. Their opinions are irrelevant.

Are you fcukin serious?

 

[Norwegian]

Are you fcukin serious?

Yes. On elections day, Sindhi slaves are bussed to election booths by their fuedal lords where they are forced to vote PPP. That's why I said that slaves opinions do not matter.

Sindh’s middle class is weak and its intellectuals are weak, and it is their inability that has resulted in the lack of alternatives to the PPP.

This why the PPP continues to be the winner.

Behind the progressive facade: PPP’s tactics to maintain dominance in Sindh

Forget roti, kapra and makan. The secret lies in zero alternatives, electioneering and exploiting the biradari system.

www.dawn.com

 

[Indus Pakistan]

Yes. On elections day, Sindhi slaves are bussed to election booths by their fuedal lords where they are forced to vote PPP. That's why I said that slaves opinions do not matter.

Frankly Punjab is not much better. Look at how they still lick Sharif's. I don't buy into this "blame the poor Sindhi". The reality is society has to invest in groups that have for various reaasons lagged behind. As I said to you the way Sindhi's are looked at is exactly how the Banglas were looked at. Now take a look at the same people. Their literacy and HDI are better than Pakistan. This is what good human investment policies do. For instance by adopting Urdu in 1947 do you think that conferred any advantage to native speakers of that language? Ask the Indians here. Every Indian state has it's own official language.

I have just finished reading a book on the events behind Bangla 1971 and concluded that Bangla was born in 1950. Did you know Banglas rioted way back in 1950 because they wanted Bengali made the official language and not Urdu because it was the most spoken language in the country and a electoral system that gave them appropriate weighting - this would have given them more seats then West Pakistan. The ruling elite refused and thus laid the seeds that sprouted in 1971 when conditions were obtaining. The lesson is very applicable to Sindh as well.

By the way the Banglas also had a uppity Bihari community who looked down on them. You know what happened to them after 1971?

 

[Norwegian]

I have just finished reading a book on the events behind Bangla 1971 and concluded that Bangla was born in 1950. Did you know Banglas rioted way back in 1950 because they wanted Bengali made the official language and not Urdu because it was the most spoken language in the country and a electoral system that gave them appropriate weighting - this would have given them more seats then West Pakistan.

Bangla language was so important but wasn't even mentioned once in Sheikh Mujeebs Six Point Movement?

The six points are noted as being:[2]

1. The Constitution should provide for a Federation of Pakistan in its true sense based on the Lahore Resolution, and the parliamentary form of government with supremacy of a Legislature directly elected on the basis of universal adult franchise.[1]
2. The federal government should deal with only two subjects: Defence and Foreign Affairs, and all other residual subjects should be vested in the federating states.[1]
3. Two separate, but freely convertible currencies for two wings should be introduced; or if this is not feasible, there should be one currency for the whole country, but effective constitutional provisions should be introduced to stop the flight of capital from East to West Pakistan. Furthermore, a separate Banking Reserve should be established and separate fiscal and monetary policy be adopted for East Pakistan.[1]
4. The power of taxation and revenue collection should be vested in the federating units and the federal centre would have no such power. The federation would be entitled to a share in the state taxes to meet its expenditures.[1]
5. There should be two separate accounts for the foreign exchange earnings of the two wings; the foreign exchange requirements of the federal government should be met by the two wings equally or in a ratio to be fixed; indigenous products should move free of duty between the two wings, and the constitution should empower the units to establish trade links with foreign countries.[1]
6. East Pakistan should have a separate military or paramilitary force, and Navy headquarters should be in East Pakistan.[1]

Six point movement - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

Remember Sheikh Mujeeb won 1970s election on this six point movement.

 

[Indus Pakistan]

Bangla language was so important

No it was not important. The Banglas rioted in 1948 because they wanted free lunghis.

In 1948, the Government of the Dominion of Pakistan ordained Urdu as the sole national language, sparking extensive protests among the Bengali-speaking majority of East Bengal. ... The students of the University of Dhaka and other political activists defied the law and organised a protest on 21 February 1952.

 

[pakpride00090]

Not gonna waste time with this racist ethnic tout aka indus Pakistan.

His is notorious for his racist trope against Hindustani musalman time and time again. I am pretty sure most members are now aware of this fact.

Pretty sure MQM is coming back in next elections. PTI failed to deliver. I and many Hindustani musalmans didn't vote for MQM this time but now we would just to spite the ethno-fascists.

Jiye Muhajir
Jiye MQM.
Jiye Hindustani Musalam

P.S You should go to twitter and see the latest trends #norefugeesinSindh. Ethno Fascist sindhis are blocking the attempts of displaced kashmiris to settle in Sindh.

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

I believe Gwadar alone is not going to make Pakistan great , the role Karachi/Sindh plays in Pakistan's prosperity can't be overlooked

Only Together these two regions can combine and give Pakistan Prosperity
For anyone to suggest that Gwadar project is created to discredit the role of Karachi or Sindh is laughable

The country as a whole needs to be divided into many administrative zones
Example looking at Japan , they have lot of regions , not just big Large province like in Pakistan

The issue with Sindh exists , issue being lot of under developed areas because there is not proper distribution of funds it is vanishing into Political Abyss


Either way the majority of population is in Karachi

From population perspective it is not possible to administer whole Sindh with so many cities and villages and towns
All provinces need to be divided into manageable regions, it will force distribution of population


No such thing as immigrant, once you have the Green Passport , you are Pakistani



Split up Provinces into regions , and smaller budget for each region

 

[pakpride00090]

I believe Gwadar alone is not going to make Pakistan great , the role Karachi/Sindh plays in Pakistan's prosperity can't be overlooked

Only Together these two regions can combine and give Pakistan Prosperity

For anyone to suggest that Gwadar project is created to discredit the role of Karachi or Sindh is laughable

Gawadar will not succeed unless something is done regarding baloch ethnic terrorists that shoot other minorities and foreigners.

 

[pakpride00090]

No such thing as immigrant, once you have the Green Passport , you are Pakistani

Hahaha

...Sindhi ethno nationalism go brrrrr..

Try to read Books and philosophy of G M syed. The father of Sindhi separatism and nationalism. You will see how much he loves Pakistan and its other ethnic groups.

 

[Meengla]

The truth lies in these quoted messages as given below.
As for this pseudo-intellectual @Indus Pakistan ... he is a divisive force who doesn't seem to have a good understanding of Pakistanis nor a good knowledge about Pakistan's history. It is a pity that some members here think that mere writing long essays in good English or giving grand pictures of an 'Indus Pakistan' to form a civilization makes someone an intellectual. The guy is trying hard to project himself as a 'visionary' and his sole appeal seems to be to tap into Pakistanis aversions to anything Indian.
The Urdu speakers/Muhajirs dominated because of merit! Not dissimilar to other educated immigrants who go to the West and make better lives. I can say a lot about that but relevant info is not hard to find by some Googling.
And pity that mods give 'Positive' ratings to such a divisive person.

Useful insights into the history of the problem. Having a dig at mohajirs should not be the intention though. They're as Pakistani as anyone else.

In any case, clearly MQM is a unique brand of poison. PPP is overall hardly any better, for different reasons. Disband them both and impose federal rule. The majority will support it anyway because the majority wants unity and progress - MQM fails on unity, while PPP is too corrupt to create progress.

You are deliberately ignoring the fact that

1. URDU SPEAKING do NOT want SEPARATION from SINDH

2. URDU SPEAKING voted in huge numbers to PTI (Imran Khan)

3. Karachi (Urdu Speaking) only wants merit/justice for them and their city.

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We don't have problem with common Sindhis..

We have problem with their waderas who only know to LOOT AND LOOT -

Courtesy of RAWALPINDI - of course.

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The END.

This is the crux of this decades old problem. Karachites that are majority Urdu speaking wants complete freedom from Sindhi feudal based PPP Dacoit party. While PPP refuses to let Karachi go because it is golden goose for not only Sindh but entire federation of Pakistan as the most taxpaying metropolitan city.

It wasn't elite capture but meritocracy. Urdu speaking migrant community was better educated and a lot more competent than ethnic population of Sindh that was used to live as slaves under their feudal lords.

 

[pakpride00090]

The truth lies in these quoted messages as given below.
As for this pseudo-intellectual @Indus Pakistan ... he is a divisive force who doesn't seem to have a good understanding of Pakistanis nor a good knowledge about Pakistan's history. It is a pity that some members here think that mere writing long essays in good English or giving grand pictures of an 'Indus Pakistan' to form a civilization makes someone an intellectual. The guy is trying hard to project himself as a 'visionary' and his sole appeal seems to be to tap into Pakistanis aversions to anything Indian.
The Urdu speakers/Muhajirs dominated because of merit! Not dissimilar to other educated immigrants who go to the West and make better lives. I can say a lot about that but relevant info is not hard to find by some Googling.
And pity that mods give 'Positive' ratings to such a divisive person.

To provide further evidence to your statements , please read this snippet.

 

[SQ8]

@Areesh @Meengla @SQ8 @Silverblaze @fitpOsitive

Please these fellow Pakistanis a lesson.

Lesson Title: "HOW TO MANAGE ONE FUKIN CITY"

I have no interest in engaging with the racists commenting on this thread - their upbringing is theirs to display.

 

[Goritoes]

A Pakistani Military funded Altaf Hussain is needed to bring Karachi back to its glory... a Halal Altaf Hussian

 

[Silverblaze]

@PaklovesTurkiye

He has his own opinions and I respect his insights in many topics, but in this case I have to disagree with him.

Anyone who cares to read this please bare in mind I am not an urdu speaking Pakistani. It is important to contextualize Pakistan.

All muslims living in india at the time of british rule constituted " One Nation" according to the founder of Pakistan as its the faith of islam that determined the nation state and thus this is essentially the DNA of this country. This is imp to comprehend to better understand my argument.

So according to this thesis, no cultural or linguistic distinction can take precedence over the Pakistani nation state.

This was opposite to congress which stated that nations are made by countries and not faiths.

Now Muslims Immigrants from Tamil Nadu, UP, Kerala, Deccan or Bihar etc were actually part of one nation that moved to a new state. They had every legal, moral and ethical right to be in their own country.

Hence, you can't coerce people of " One nation" to assimilate in a 'regional' culture. Why should a Majhi Punjabi become a Seraiki to live in multan or vice versa or a Pashtun become a Sindhi to live in Sindh, if Pakistan is one nation with Urdu as its Lingua Franca?

Having established the " One Nation" context, now this theory of domination of urdu speaking muslim immigrants just doesnt make sense. It is more of a political ploy. Just like pro hindutva Pashtun, Baloch, sindhi and Bengali nationalists allege Punjabi domination, similarly some Sindhi nationalists turn their guns on our urdu speaking brothers.

If this theory of Muhajir domination is propagated as true, Punjabi domination theory must also be accepted. Its only fair.

This is sad indeed.

 

[newb3e]

why care about sindh! or khi! punjabistan now has gawadar and can trade through gawadar! the sole use of Khi for punjabistan was khi port now they have alternate sindh province doesnt even contribut much to lahores and punjabistans development funds khi gives its share but i am sure the geniuses in pindi will find some other city to expolit and fuel the ecnomy of punjabistan!!