Justice Qazi Faez Isa 'Should not hear matters involving PM' says CJP

[Norwegian]

What a brave and principled judge that dared to go against ISI

https://twitter.com/x/status/1359826217193635840

 

[Zibago]

But he will be a part

Shameless individual and a perfect representation of Pakistan's judicial system this guy is

Jitna kal ye zaleel howa hy kasam sey koi aur hota to resign dey deta

Seriously SC ka sitting judge aik case key doran unknown number key whattsapp messages discuss karey to kiya samjha jaye uskey barey mein?

 

[Norwegian]

Seriously SC ka sitting judge aik case key doran unknown number key whattsapp messages discuss karey to kiya samjha jaye uskey barey mein?

He wasn't merely discussing it. He actually tried to make documents he got from anonymous whatsapp number part of official court proceedings.

This completely blew his cover and exposed him as Khota Biryani agent of Maryam Nawaz Kuttkhana in Pakistani judiciary

 

[R Wing]

Justice Faez Isa told not to hear cases involving PM by CJP Gulzar Ahmed

Justice Faez Isa told not to hear cases involving PM by CJP Gulzar Ahmed

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Justice Faez Isa told not to hear cases involving PM by CJP Gulzar Ahmed
Published On 11 February,2021 10:39 pm

Justice Faez Isa told not to hear cases involving PM by CJP Gulzar Ahmed
ISLAMABAD (Dunya News) - The final verdict given by Chief Justice Gulzar Ahmed in the funds allocation case against Prime Minister Imran Khan says that it was not right for Justice Qazi Faez Isa to hear the case, and impartiality warrants that Justice Isa may not hear cases related to the PM.
According to details, the five page verdict penned by Chief Justice of Pakistan Justice Gulzar Ahmed said that Justice Faez Isa referred to WhatsApp messages and documents provided by an unknown source, copies of which were also provided to the Attorney General.
Justice Qazi Faez Isa said he could not say for sure whether the documents received were genuine or not, and the Attorney General also raised questions over their authenticity. The Attorney General requested that the unverified documents not be made part of the official record.
According to the verdict, Attorney General said that if a judge is a complainant, it is not appropriate for him to hear the case against the same party.

Chief Justice Gulzar Ahmed said that in this situation, it was not appropriate for Justice Qazi Faez Isa to hear the case as he has personally filed a petition against Prime Minister Imran Khan. Considering the principle of un-biased and impartial justice, Justice Isa should not hear cases against the Prime Minister.

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I don't think qazi faez would make it to becoming the the chief justice now. he has been barred from hearing any cases against Prime Minister Imran Khan which he was using as revenge tactics for the presidential references against him and on behalf of the noora family. now the government will pursue the hidden (now exposed) properties of qazi faez with full force. I don't see this guy surviving...frankly, this is very humiliating for the "inqalabi judge" faez, if he had any backbone and any ghairat (which he doesn't), he should resign and leave the supreme court premises with a paper bag over his head.

His real "crime" was that he questioned the role of the military, through the then-DG (C) and now DG I (Faiz Hameed), in signing an agreement with radical protestors in Islamabad.

I'm not saying he's clean --- but let's be very clear that it's not his potential past corruption that is the issue (as almost every other politician is corrupt and roaming freely thanks to an ineffective NAB and overall "deal culture") rather the fact that he dared to question the military establishment.

They know he's the kind of guy who will question the budget, the perks, the lands and other privileges that Generals of a poor country enshrine themselves with.

Again, he might not be clean either --- but that's not the issue. Questioning the power monopoly is the issue.

I have told you fellows many times that the Whole Establishment is CORRUPT. It includes Judiciary, Bureaucracy and Military as well. And these people will eat this country from inside out. According to the Americans, some of these Pakistan people are that pathetic and that shameless and corrupt that they will sell the mothers for the right money.
These are the same people who take OATH ON QURAN never to do anything like this, and then they plunder and loot everything.

Those who aren't directly corrupt are indirectly corrupt --- they are part of a system that perpetuates a colonial-era mindset of getting vast tracts of land and other perks after retirement and where the Army is in a position where no real institution or human can question their accesses. This is dangerous not only for society (I don't give a damn about "representative democracy" in countries like ours) but also for the institution of the armed forces itself!

So many officers openly admit that 90% of their colleagues are just there to NOT rock the boat in whatever position they're in so they can be smoothly promoted --- in short, personal career trajectory is much more important than creating a better reality for Pakistan.

 

[GumNaam]

His real "crime" was that he questioned the role of the military, through the then-DG (C) and now DG I (Faiz Hameed), in signing an agreement with radical protestors in Islamabad.

I'm not saying he's clean --- but let's be very clear that it's not his potential past corruption that is the issue (as almost every other politician is corrupt and roaming freely thanks to an ineffective NAB and overall "deal culture") rather the fact that he dared to question the military establishment.

They know he's the kind of guy who will question the budget, the perks, the lands and other privileges that Generals of a poor country enshrine themselves with.

Again, he might not be clean either --- but that's not the issue. Questioning the power monopoly is the issue.


Those who aren't directly corrupt are indirectly corrupt --- they are part of a system that perpetuates a colonial-era mindset of getting vast tracts of land and other perks after retirement and where the Army is in a position where no real institution or human can question their accesses. This is dangerous not only for society (I don't give a damn about "representative democracy" in countries like ours) but also for the institution of the armed forces itself!

So many officers openly admit that 90% of their colleagues are just there to NOT rock the boat in whatever position they're in so they can be smoothly promoted --- in short, personal career trajectory is much more important than creating a better reality for Pakistan.

and, one can't question him or his wife about their three hidden properties nor in Pakistan, but in england. wah...wat lajik you gat!

 

[Shabi1]

His real "crime" was that he questioned the role of the military, through the then-DG (C) and now DG I (Faiz Hameed), in signing an agreement with radical protestors in Islamabad.

I'm not saying he's clean --- but let's be very clear that it's not his potential past corruption that is the issue (as almost every other politician is corrupt and roaming freely thanks to an ineffective NAB and overall "deal culture") rather the fact that he dared to question the military establishment.

They know he's the kind of guy who will question the budget, the perks, the lands and other privileges that Generals of a poor country enshrine themselves with.

Again, he might not be clean either --- but that's not the issue. Questioning the power monopoly is the issue.


Those who aren't directly corrupt are indirectly corrupt --- they are part of a system that perpetuates a colonial-era mindset of getting vast tracts of land and other perks after retirement and where the Army is in a position where no real institution or human can question their accesses. This is dangerous not only for society (I don't give a damn about "representative democracy" in countries like ours) but also for the institution of the armed forces itself!

So many officers openly admit that 90% of their colleagues are just there to NOT rock the boat in whatever position they're in so they can be smoothly promoted --- in short, personal career trajectory is much more important than creating a better reality for Pakistan.

Questioning the monopoly isn't the issue here, its the hypocrisy thats raised doubt in intentions. Raising fingers at others while claiming you yourself can't be questioned. Could have simply given the paper trail but wasted so much time and effort trying to resist claiming he can't be questioned. If you made assets legitimately but didnt pay taxes can pay the fine to FBR and close the matter. If made corruptly then you have something to hide.

As for Army this isn't the Pak military of the yester years, lessons have been learnt and it is clear any decision made if doesn't follow rules will have repercussions down the line. People who thought were unaccountable have had to face the law. Checks have been put in place and anyone not abiding is inviting court martial. Claiming because XYZ wasnt accountable so many years ago so ABC cant be questioned is wrong, laws apply same to all, some will get caught later.

 

[Sine Nomine]

His real "crime" was that he questioned the role of the military, through the then-DG (C) and now DG I (Faiz Hameed), in signing an agreement with radical protestors in Islamabad.

I'm not saying he's clean --- but let's be very clear that it's not his potential past corruption that is the issue (as almost every other politician is corrupt and roaming freely thanks to an ineffective NAB and overall "deal culture") rather the fact that he dared to question the military establishment.

They know he's the kind of guy who will question the budget, the perks, the lands and other privileges that Generals of a poor country enshrine themselves with.

Again, he might not be clean either --- but that's not the issue. Questioning the power monopoly is the issue.


Those who aren't directly corrupt are indirectly corrupt --- they are part of a system that perpetuates a colonial-era mindset of getting vast tracts of land and other perks after retirement and where the Army is in a position where no real institution or human can question their accesses. This is dangerous not only for society (I don't give a damn about "representative democracy" in countries like ours) but also for the institution of the armed forces itself!

So many officers openly admit that 90% of their colleagues are just there to NOT rock the boat in whatever position they're in so they can be smoothly promoted --- in short, personal career trajectory is much more important than creating a better reality for Pakistan.

Our homeland is lost cause,if this trajectory continues.

 

[R Wing]

Our homeland is lost cause,if this trajectory continues.

Absolutely

 

[Enigma SIG]

Bughz e Imran.

Faiz Isa should resign.

 

[R Wing]

Questioning the monopoly isn't the issue here, its the hypocrisy thats raised doubt in intentions. Raising fingers at others while claiming you yourself can't be questioned. Could have simply given the paper trail but wasted so much time and effort trying to resist claiming he can't be questioned. If you made assets legitimately but didnt pay taxes can pay the fine to FBR and close the matter. If made corruptly then you have something to hide.

As for Army this isn't the Pak military of the yester years, lessons have been learnt and it is clear any decision made if doesn't follow rules will have repercussions down the line. People who thought were unaccountable have had to face the law. Checks have been put in place and anyone not abiding is inviting court martial. Claiming because XYZ wasnt accountable so many years ago so ABC cant be questioned is wrong, laws apply same to all, some will get caught later.

1.) You make a good point in the first paragraph. But I disagree with your conclusion --- I believe the only reason all this is happening is because somebody dared to question the mil establishment. I do agree that when you do that, you better be pretty clean yourself ---- but, in reality, it doesn't matter. As a friend who worked in the SC told me, they (establishment) can make Edhi look corrupt if they needed to. I do agree that Faiz Isa isn't fully clean. But I disagree that this is the main issue given that many others who are HUGELY corrupt but are enjoying freedom because they haven't questioned the Forces.

2.) Disagree with you. The fact that even now we are chasing extensions to the great detriment of the force and sanctity of the institution (and insisting on one even after it became SO controversial) shows that personal power protection > country's progress and institutional supremacy. Today, we perhaps have a more professional force but, like any bureaucracy, the vast majority of officers in senior positions are MORE concerned with their own career trajectory than developing innovative and radical solutions to the country's security problems. The hugely defensive posture and excuse-making has only increased.

We can agree to disagree.

I'm in that unique position where I support the Army as an institution but am not a fanboy, voted for PTI because N and PPP are corrupt beyond measure and do believe that Faiz Isa has a shady past --- so I'm not trying to demonize the Army because I'm so "patwari" or liberal. I want the Army to be even stronger and, for once, offensive with special operations and intel ops.

 

[AZ1]

1.) You make a good point in the first paragraph. But I disagree with your conclusion --- I believe the only reason all this is happening is because somebody dared to question the mil establishment. I do agree that when you do that, you better be pretty clean yourself ---- but, in reality, it doesn't matter. As a friend who worked in the SC told me, they (establishment) can make Edhi look corrupt if they needed to. I do agree that Faiz Isa isn't fully clean. But I disagree that this is the main issue given that many others who are HUGELY corrupt but are enjoying freedom because they haven't questioned the Forces.

2.) Disagree with you. The fact that even now we are chasing extensions to the great detriment of the force and sanctity of the institution (and insisting on one even after it became SO controversial) shows that personal power protection > country's progress and institutional supremacy. Today, we perhaps have a more professional force but, like any bureaucracy, the vast majority of officers in senior positions are MORE concerned with their own career trajectory than developing innovative and radical solutions to the country's security problems. The hugely defensive posture and excuse-making has only increased.

We can agree to disagree.

I'm in that unique position where I support the Army as an institution but am not a fanboy, voted for PTI because N and PPP are corrupt beyond measure and do believe that Faiz Isa has a shady past --- so I'm not trying to demonize the Army because I'm so "patwari" or liberal. I want the Army to be even stronger and, for once, offensive with special operations and intel ops.

Establishment,Establishment song

its very easy for pakistanis to pic someone who doesnt reply and put everything on them like establishment or like khalai makhlooq. Tv anchors establishment this and that.

why do corruption and wheb caught establishment is this and that.

 

[R Wing]

and, one can't question him or his wife about their three hidden properties nor in Pakistan, but in england. wah...wat lajik you gat!

Read my reply above.

Of course he should be questioned. I personally believe that he is shady and he is hiding something.

But the reason he is being hounded --- let's all be clear --- is NOT this. This is the excuse (even if real); the real reason is that he dared to question the glorious defenders of our land whose list of achievements I should list down below.

The Army leadership should be questioned on:
-going after TTP and Baloch terrorists but not going after economic terrorists who have caused much more damage to the country by degrading institutions and siphoning off billions

-going after TTP and Baloch terrorists but not going after Indian officers supporting them in Kabul and Delhi

-young, poor brainwashed terrorists can become missing persons but rich, corrupt, treasonous politicians (economic terrorists) apparently cannot (aren't the latter a much bigger long-term threat to this country --- why this double standard)

-losing the tit-for-tat deterrence that took decades to create against India's proxies (i.e. Indian policymakers happily support terrorism in Pakistan without any fear of any repercussion/consequences/revenge attacks --- wow, great approach by the people who can't stop saying 'befitting response'!)

-abandoning the legitimate and moral resistance movements in IOK fighting the illegal paramilitary and military presence there (definitely defending Pakistan's interests by renaming roads and releasing cringey songs)

-allowing Nawaz Sharif out of the country in a deal with very suspect timing given the N League voted in favor of an extension in the National Assembly

-taking an extension when it is widely considered a highly selfish move that destroys careers and disrupts the sanctity of an institution

-not trying Kayani and Pasha for the Osama Raid --- if they failed to protect our sovereignty, they should be tried for very serious crimes; and if they colluded with the Americans, then they should be forced to admit it (this was HUGELY embarrassing on so many levels that any other high command might have removed these officers from their leadership positions --- but we are a nation of yes men in an institution that actively discourages creative thinking, originality and innovative approaches)

@Areesh, a dedicated hardcore patriot, knows what I'm talking about.

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[syedtalhamaududi]

Establishment,Establishment song

its very easy for pakistanis to pic someone who doesnt reply and put everything on them like establishment or like khalai makhlooq. Tv anchors establishment this and that.

why do corruption and wheb caught establishment is this and that.

The whole country is being destroyed by the mantra of corruption. It is phsyops. A faceless enemy that can not be defeated. And only the chosen very few are clean. It's like the witch Hunters of Salem. Other phsyops include the war on terror. An unending war against a faceless enemy that you yourself create and then disregard. The war against covid is another. An unending and unwinnable war.
Clearly justice Essa raised the wrong questions so is dirty. The military establishment is bent. Anyone that dares question them is corrupt. It's a farce.
Only if you are on there page are you safe.
Ayub Khan called Fatima Jinnah Ra, a traitor. His grand son is a corrupt minister. Ayub Khan used to get a salary from the US state department. CPEC is shut down because the US doesn't want it and the generals are not obliging them.
Please wake up

 

[Path-Finder]

The whole country is being destroyed by the mantra of corruption. It is phsyops. A faceless enemy that can not be defeated. And only the chosen very few are clean. It's like the witch Hunters of Salem. Other phsyops include the war on terror. An unending war against a faceless enemy that you yourself create and then disregard. The war against covid is another. An unending and unwinnable war.
Clearly justice Essa raised the wrong questions so is dirty. The military establishment is bent. Anyone that dares question them is corrupt. It's a farce.
Only if you are on there page are you safe.
Ayub Khan called Fatima Jinnah Ra, a traitor. His grand son is a corrupt minister. Ayub Khan used to get a salary from the US state department. CPEC is shut down because the US doesn't want it and the generals are not obliging them.
Please wake up

reinstate the kabaria harami and everything will be okay?

 

[syedtalhamaududi]

The whole country is being destroyed by the mantra of corruption. It is phsyops. A faceless enemy that can not be defeated. And only the chosen very few are clean. It's like the witch Hunters of Salem. Other phsyops include the war on terror. An unending war against a faceless enemy that you yourself create and then disregard. The war against covid is another. An unending and unwinnable war.
Clearly justice Essa raised the wrong questions so is dirty. The military establishment is bent. Anyone that dares question them is corrupt. It's a farce.
Only if you are on there page are you safe.
Ayub Khan called Fatima Jinnah Ra, a traitor. His grand son is a corrupt minister. Ayub Khan used to get a salary from the US state department. CPEC is shut down because the US doesn't want it and the generals are not obliging them.
Please wake up

Are obliging them

reinstate the kabaria harami and everything will be okay?

Do you think it about him, please pull your head out of the ground, IK is worse because he is perpetuating it

reinstate the kabaria harami and everything will be okay?

Do you think it about him, please pull your head out of the ground, IK is worse because he is perpetuating it
My uncle was in the Intel service in the 60s they where then taking incriminating photos and films of judges/politicians in sting operations to blackmail them. It's just become much worse. The motives are not for national security now but pure power