Just a thought.

[Iggy]

Pakistan is not any contest with India with regard to Punjab )) so your example in the same line with Kashmir was wrong in the first place.

Pakistan also supported Khalistan movement..they only abandoned it when realizing that it will become a failure.I said if there is no Kashmir we will find another way to fight each other..Kashmir is just one excuse for us to hate each other..With or with out Kashmir we will surely hate each other ..

 

[ek_indian]

Lolzzzz we are skeptical about Indian nature because as soon as Pakistan was created along with India, your leaders claimed that Pakistan will not survive and that Bhartis will ensure this to happen.

We divided subcontinent through political means whereas Indians divided Pakistan through Terrorism so it gives a reason to hate Indian terrorism

And we too are sceptical about "we-will-bleed-India-into-thousands-cut" as well as "1000-year-war" policies.
As for dividing Pakistan, You guys tried (Khalistan etc.) but failed. Don't paint your agencies incompetence as cleanliness

Do not portray as Pakistan is all saint.

@topic: I think life would be better tjough there would be issues even then. But they will be less critical in nature.

 

[Spring Onion]

Madam kindly dont feed your mental diarrhea to the readers..care to give some credible links for your bolded statements?

Only the Indians and their leaders were having mental diarrhea which forced our leaders to create Pakistan. This mental diarrhea is still carried by bhartis. This was this same mental diarrhea which affected Indira and she committed terrorism in Pakistan in 70s.

What ever the reason you say about the division you still have the hatred towards us for dividing your country ..so get down from your moral high horse ..

Same for you whatever the reason Indians give for their hate against Pakistan, they still have this feeling of hurt over division of subcontinent

 

[Spring Onion]

Pakistan also supported Khalistan movement..they only abandoned it when realizing that it will become a failure.I said if there is no Kashmir we will find another way to fight each other..Kashmir is just one excuse for us to hate each other..With or with out Kashmir we will surely hate each other ..

Indians have supported Jiay Sindh but abandoned it when realising that it was a big failure for India. Indians are also supporting BLA terrorists in Balochistan but failed to score big .

For us Kashmir is the core issue all other issue are secondary.

 

[Iggy]

Only the Indians and their leaders were having mental diarrhea which forced our leaders to create Pakistan. This mental diarrhea is still carried by bhartis. This was this same mental diarrhea which affected Indira and she committed terrorism in Pakistan in 70s.

Still failed to provide the links..or asking for links make you angry ma'am?? writing all kind of nonsense?

Same for you whatever the reason Indians give for their hate against Pakistan, they still have this feeling of hurt over division of subcontinent

Lolz did you ever see any of the leader talking about talking about the division of subcontinent as a disaster for India??Trust me it has done more good to us than your country and our leaders knows it well..The theary of Indian hate towards Pakistan because of the division is to satisfy some bruised egos of Pakistanis

 

[Iggy]

Indians have supported Jiay Sindh but abandoned it when realising that it was a big failure for India. Indians are also supporting BLA terrorists in Balochistan but failed to score big .

For us Kashmir is the core issue all other issue are secondary.

See the bolded part..thats what i said ..Even if there is no Kashmir we will find another issue

 

[Ahmad]

Pakistan also supported Khalistan movement..they only abandoned it when realizing that it will become a failure.I said if there is no Kashmir we will find another way to fight each other..Kashmir is just one excuse for us to hate each other..With or with out Kashmir we will surely hate each other ..

i think they supported khalistan movement because they wanted damage india, not because they wanted panjab. i still believe that kashmir is the sole tension point between these 2 countries.

 

[Jade]

Partition happened in an environment of hate. If not Kashmir, something else

 

[Patriot]

Well Kashmir is just a small issue - The main issue is that both Pakistan and India want's to be dada of South Asia.India because of it's sheer size, population etc.Pakistan because of it's geo political strategic location connected to major strategic regions of the world.Indians have dada attitude towards countries like Bangladesh, Sri Lanka and Nepal while Pakistan has this attitude towards Afghanistan.Lastly, there is huge population in India which does not accept partition and does not accept Pakistan as a reality.They would love nothing more then reversing the partition.

 

[RescueRanger]

Lets all keep blaming partition... Learn to move on, the problem is we are stuck in the past... The past has no lessons for us, the present has many to learn for a brighter future.

Instead of looking at the future, our best and brightest are constantly dwelling on the past and what "could be". There is a difference in "what could be" and "what can be".

 

[Ahmad]

but partition happend between pakistan and bangladesh as well, they are doing OK with each other nowdays.

 

[vsdoc]

Lets call a spade a spade guys.

Its a Hindu-Muslim thing plain and simple.

One the ancestral culture of the land.

The other seen as the culture of the outsider.

Mark that I say "culture" and not "people." Cause the people were always the same ...... for millenia.

Then came a bigger invader. Of completely different genetic stock.

Both resident cultures fought as one people, side by side, to give that invader the boot.

But when he left there was a shakeup, cleverly stage managed by the retreating colonialist.

The ancestral culture, the significant majority, saw itself as a secular inclusive nation of one people.

One half of the resident "minority" culture saw itself losing political significance and a crack at leadership of a new united nation against the backdrop of the larger majority culture and its national leaders.

From there on it was a relatively simple matter of drumming up the frenzy of a culture under siege, the culture of once conquerors losing relevance to the sea of the conquered.

The sun while setting meanwhile did its best to leave open the gates of dissent and division, hoping (futilely) to sow the seeds of a return someday once it found its feet post the devatation of the great wars.

What followed was the bloodiest mass exodus that humanity has ever been witness to.

Kashmir remains a talisman to that hatred.

The two nations will only see peace when one tires or goes down. Or is put down.

That is the bitter reality.

Cheers, Doc

 

[Awesome]

i dont think so, this love to hate habit came from kashmir.

Although, Pakistan itself says that its core issue with India is simply Kashmir and with that settled we have no real beef with each other.

India on the other hand maintains and likes to toe the line that there will be just another issue once Kashmir is settled.

Pakistan maintains Kashmir is a political issue, cite many reasons to that.

Indian maintains its a religious issue, cites many reasons for that.

We differ in opinions to that as well.

 

[JonAsad]

Lets call a spade a spade guys.

Its a Hindu-Muslim thing plain and simple.

One the ancestral culture of the land.

The other seen as the culture of the outsider.

Mark that I say "culture" and not "people." Cause the people were always the same ...... for millenia.

Then came a bigger invader. Of completely different genetic stock.

Both resident cultures fought as one people, side by side, to give that invader the boot.

But when he left there was a shakeup, cleverly stage managed by the retreating colonialist.

The ancestral culture, the significant majority, saw itself as a secular inclusive nation of one people.

One half of the resident "minority" culture saw itself losing political significance and a crack at leadership of a new united nation against the backdrop of the larger majority culture and its national leaders.

From there on it was a relatively simple matter of drumming up the frenzy of a culture under siege, the culture of once conquerors losing relevance to the sea of the conquered.

The sun while setting meanwhile did its best to leave open the gates of dissent and division, hoping (futilely) to sow the seeds of a return someday once it found its feet post the devatation of the great wars.

What followed was the bloodiest mass exodus that humanity has ever been witness to.

Kashmir remains a talisman to that hatred.

The two nations will only see peace when one tires or goes down. Or is put down.

That is the bitter reality.

Cheers, Doc

if its a hindu-muslim thing plain and simple then whats millions of muslims are doing in India?

Its the mentality.. we say Kashmir is the only issue we have with India, if it is solved we will co-exist peacefuly, like we did before centuries ago.

Indians say kashmir is not the main issue... then what is? every other issue is directly or indirectly related to kashmir.

Solve Kashmir and have peace in south asia.

 

[vsdoc]

if its a hindu-muslim thing plain and simple then whats millions of muslims are doing in India?

Living in peace and increasing prosperity in secular India.

A secularism and tolerance that comes naturally to the Hindu way of life and has done so down the millenia.

It is a hindu muslim thing brother. And I say it as one who belongs to neither.

I am not very good at history so I may be wrong but I see India as a unique case in world history, specifically the history that deals with Islamic conquests of nations.

Unlike other nations that became comletely Islamic post their invasion by muslim invaders, India never did. It resisted. It absorbed. It internalised.

It Indianised.

To the extent that the significant majority of Hindu India never converted or changed faith. Yet found space and a special place for those who did. In peace and harmony. As brothers.

In no other land of the world would you otherwise see such a large muslim population living and coexisting in peace side by side with a huge population belonging to another religion.

Can you name me one case?

So the bottom line is, those that still harbored that "conqueror" mindset and somehow saw themselves as different and "superior" to the rest of the non-muslim population, could not stomach the fact that the British screwed things up for them by taking over largely Muslim ruled India and leaving it to its future fate as a democratically and secularly ruled multi-cultural pluralist India with the Hindus in natural majority.

Sharing never entered their mindset. Only exclusivity at the cost of carving up the land for a pure muslim state did.

But make no mistake Jonasad. It was plain and simple power politics of the vote-bank type fuelled by lofty ideals of muslim identity, seovereignty, survival, and separate nation for separate people jingoism.

Cheers, Doc