Jinnah's vision

[Ahmet Pasha]

Bro ground realities show otherwise. We didn't have any insurgancies running in our area nor did we take money from RAW to create azizabad or whatever. And Two operations in 90s and 2014 were not launched gainst us.

Ghaddar to tm Punjabi ho asal goro ke ghulam

 

[Crusher]

We believe only in our own vision which keeps changing according to the current reality, we don't care or give damn about anyone else's vision.

 

[CriticalThinker02]

This was Jinnah's vision:

Say, "O disbelievers,
I do not worship what you worship.
Nor are you worshippers of what I worship.
Nor will I be a worshipper of what you worship.
Nor will you be worshippers of what I worship.
For you is your religion, and for me is my religion." Holy Quran 109:1-6

“All mankind is from Adam and Eve, an Arab has no superiority over a non-Arab nor a non-Arab has any superiority over an Arab; also a white has no superiority over a black nor a black has any superiority over a white – except by piety and good action." - Excerpt from Prophet Muhammad (PBUH)'s last sermon.

"You are free; you are free to go to your temples, you are free to go to your mosques or to any other place or worship in this State of Pakistan. You may belong to any religion or caste or creed - that has nothing to do with the business of the State." ― Muhammad Ali Jinnah

 

[Indus Pakistan]

kicking with Pakistan’s living abroad

Kicking? It is dancing in USA.

 

[VCheng]

Was Jinnah vision for Pakistan that we could not live with the Hindu's only, or was it for the other religions has well, and what would he say now with so many Pakistanis living in the western world and slowly losing their ways, has in making right has wrong and wrong has right.

In 1947, Jinnah's (West) Pakistan had a population of 34 million, and it is about 7 times that now. Pakistanis abroad make no difference except by remittances, and nearly 230 million followers of Jinnah's vision right inside Pakistan give it all the strength it needs.

Also, please do not forget that Jinnah himself was an expatriate of sorts for a while before he decided to come back.

So, everything is going well for Jinnah's vision for Pakistan, no matter how it is interpreted.

 

[Green disc]

Also, please do not forget that Jinnah himself was an expatriate of sorts for a while before he decided to come back.

So, everything is going well for Jinnah's vision for Pakistan, no matter how it is interpreted.[/QUOTE]

That’s what surprised me, he was an expat but he knew the issues that will happen with the Hindus, was it really that obvious at the time

 

[VCheng]

That’s what surprised me, he was an expat but he knew the issues that will happen with the Hindus, was it really that obvious at the time

Please do not forget Iqbal's influence on his views at that time.

 

[PakFactor]

Also, please do not forget that Jinnah himself was an expatriate of sorts for a while before he decided to come back.

So, everything is going well for Jinnah's vision for Pakistan, no matter how it is interpreted.

That’s what surprised me, he was an expat but he knew the issues that will happen with the Hindus, was it really that obvious at the time[/QUOTE]

It’s was obvious when you go back and read history the hate was there, and Iqbal and Jinnah had a vision.

 

[Pakistani Fighter]

Bro ground realities show otherwise. We didn't have any insurgancies running in our area nor did we take money from RAW to create azizabad or whatever. And Two operations in 90s and 2014 were not launched gainst us.

1971 happened cuz of u

 

[nahtanbob]

Pakistani living abroad in NA are mostly Karachiites. Who have slave mentality carrying over from gora rule. Some are patriotic and religious. Rest are anti national to varying degress some very openly, they are splintered and do not like to show their religion or nationality openly, actively believe in pleasing the gora just to get and keep a job.

Punjabi community in NA is spread out and few in number. Are generally cohesive find like minded people, also because of language. So there is some unity there.

In the UK however Punjabi(Mirpuri, Hazara, Hindko speakers, some central dialect speakers) are well in number and have cohesion and unity. Since they have been emigrating there since British rule. So they have stronger roots. But the 3rd generation UK population I agree has gone away from islam. With boys banging white girls and girls doing same. Pre marital sex and pregnancy among 3rd gen UK Pakistani muslims is on the rise. Which breaks parents' hearts.

Here in USA 3rd generation has only generally started budding and kinda showing same tendencies as UK 3rd gen. Alcohol included.

stay in pakistan if you want to keep "pakistani" or "islamic" values

 

[Sheikh Rauf]

Was Jinnah vision for Pakistan that we could not live with the Hindu's only, or was it for the other religions has well, and what would he say now with so many Pakistanis living in the western world and slowly losing their ways, has in making right has wrong and wrong has right.

why dont you move to india and find out yourself. who was right.
Quaid e Azam cant come to tell you but certainly you can go to him if somthing really bothering you.

 

[Green disc]

The idea was to give Muslims of the subcontinent their own identity and ability to govern. He knew that Muslims won't be able to represent themselves politically and will spend the rest of their life failing to prove their loyalty to a non Muslim state which will regard them as second class citizens.

Jinnah’s vision has truly saved us from these mad Hindus, what a great man.
Even Bangladesh should thank Jinnah, if it was not for him they would be living under the Hindus rule

 

[VCheng]

Jinnah’s vision has truly saved us from these mad Hindus, what a great man.
Even Bangladesh should thank Jinnah, if it was not for him they would be living under the Hindus rule

Sadly, he left us too early and therefore could not save us from ourselves.

 

[Ahmet Pasha]

1971 happened because there was an insurgency with similar psy ops, media warfare like today. There were likes Hamid Mir, Achakzai, Sheikh Mujib ur Rehman running fake news and propoganda against Pak Army and the age old Punjabi Army Bull Crap that you muhajirs also so much(Obviously because you just tried to present that as an argument).

You can think of fake Baloch freedom movement as similar case. Or TTP was also another 1971 backed by several international player. One of them being Langley.

Indian RAW was successful in 1971 because PA didn't have today's revitalized ISPR and didn't know how to manage anti national fake news propoganda machines.

1971 happened cuz of u

 

[Signalian]

chill dude, please read my post, I did not say Jinnah’s vision is not there, Jinnah’s vision is alive and kicking in Pakistan
But is Jinnah’s vision alive and kicking with Pakistan’s living abroad

Muslims of the world are unlucky that they could neither have Jinnah nor attain Jinnah's vision. Examples : palestine, chechniya, Kashmir etc. '
If they had Jinnah also, these places would have been become muslim countries like Pakistan. We pakistanis are very lucky and very blessed.