JF17 will be equal to F16 after upgrades

[Yaseen1]

if it is true than it will overtake market of f16 in the world

 

[LinuxNoob9]

Say if this happens...will more countries want to buy the JF-17s? And if so, could Pakistan profit from these? I'd like to think so. Indian interferrence is going to be a problem. They forced Sri Lanka to abandon a deal :/

 

[denel]

JF17 is not going to be as good as F16 but JF17 ill be like a little brother of F16.

Correct, if the path of evolution continues, i will not be surprised if it will match or rival it. The question is will they stop at Block 3 or continue on; we see the same with K-8 where they have sat on their backside for years.

 

[Muhammad Omar]

Why Just Equal to F-16??? Why not Better then that???

 

[Penguin]

Better than which specific F16 model? A top of the line F16 today is an entirely different F16 than the ones my air force first started getting in 1979. Our surplus F16A/Bs went to Jordan. I see Pakistan obtains some F16A/Bs from Jordan. So, what is the JF-17 being compared against. And are we talking JF-17 as is today, or as will be sometime in the future?

 

[YeBeWarned]

Better than which specific F16 model? A top of the line F16 today is an entirely different F16 than the ones my air force first started getting in 1979. Our surplus F16A/Bs went to Jordan. I see Pakistan obtains some F16A/Bs from Jordan. So, what is the JF-17 being compared against. And are we talking JF-17 as is today, or as will be sometime in the future?

Block-3 might be surpassing F-16's block 30's ... with of course many " If " integrations of new systems to JF blk 3 like HOBS, AESA , More Hard points .. etc but i doubt blk 3 will be beating blk 52 anytime soon ..

 

[ssethii]

stupid comparison Pakistani syndrome

 

[cerebrum@Assasin]

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Interview with Raana Tanveer Minister of Defense Productions

Khabrain Epaper

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Rawalpindi Interview By Basharat Fazil Abbasi

News paper Roznama Khabrain.

Pictures by ILfat Shah

· So far 50 Jf-17 are given to Pakistan Air force

· JF17 jets meet all international standards

· Next year 50 more JF-17 Jets will be provided to PAF

· These 50 will be upgraded ones.

· These jets are co-produce by CHINA AND PAKISTAN

· But locally produce jets have domestic parts in majority.

· Inshahallah .Approximately 3rd Batch will be manufacture by domestic resources.

· Now Dual seat JF17 is also in production and we will upgrade it to that level that it will be equal to F-16 by performance.

· There is a big difference in the price of Jf17 and F-16

· He answer to a question that we are in talks with 5 to 7 countries for Jf-17 exports and soon will be exported

· We made a policy that next all defense deals will be on technology transfer basis so later we can produce locally

· In Pakistan , Weapons used by security forces ,against terrorists are Made in Pakistan.

· In 2013 when Present government came in power Karachi Shipyard was running in loss 14 trillion rupees . We work day and night and now it is in profit.

· On a question regarding Pakistan Ordinance Factory he replied POF is making small weapons which POF is exporting as well as fulfilling domestic requirements.

· Before these exports were of 50 Billion dollars which are now double. These weapons are exported to Germany, USA ,Europe and middle eastern countries

· Question regarding air craft industry he answer In karma We are manufacturing trainer aircrafts Mushaq, Super Mushaq .Karakoram 8 which were exported to 7 countries and with some countries we are in talks to get new orders.

· He told regarding Tank manufacturing that we are manufacturing Al-Khalid tanks and also exporting them.Alkhalid is International standard tank

· POF is fulfilling all demands of 4 provinces regarding APV vehicles and small weapons.

· 70 to 80 % requirement of FC and Rangers is also fulfilled domestically

· In weapon manufacturing all domestic products are used .which helps in saving foreign exchange

· He answer question regarding terrorism that Pak Army if successfully running operations all over the country ,due to which we can see peace in Karachi and Economic activity is increasing rapidly in city.
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IN SHA ALLAH plz type ALLAH in Capital!

 

[The SC]

He probably talking about blk 3 sure it will be at par to f16 .

"Now Dual seat JF17 is also in production and we will upgrade it to that level that it will be equal to F-16 by performance."

He is talking about the JF-17B..

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

Inshallah that mile stone is coming soon with Block 2 and Block 3 when we will Surpass the F16. Obviously as the both Block 2 /Block 3 are fully integrated into forces

 

[CriticalThought]

I'll define "at par with F-16" as being able to beat it in a dog fight. In order to bring it at par with F-16 we need:

1. Better engine.
2. Better EW/ECCM.
3. Better armaments.

The RD-93 MA is supposedly FADEC controlled but no info is available regarding other engine parameters. Also, since we have no knowledge of the final design of Block 3, we can't judge things like thrust to weight ratio etc.

In the field of EW/ECCM, we are getting the Chinese AESA it seems. Against, details such as power output etc. are not available. But if done properly, there is no reason why it can't match the F-16.

In armaments we are limited with what the Chinese supply. There have been rumors on the forum that we are developing our own IR seeker, but its just rumors. But I am quite sure PAF would not settle for merely mediocre weapons for the Thunder. Especially in the BVR arena because that is its raison d'etre.

 

[DJ_Viper]

No it won't. No it won't. No it won't. No it won't. No it won't. No it won't.No it won't. No it won't. No it won't. No it won't.

And if it is going to be equal to F-16 please give PAF a shout. Cancel buying anymore F-16s as that is waste of money.

Define being equal to the F-16 first. There are many ways you can do a comparison. For example, an upgraded JFT with an AESA and 4 BVR's can provide the same capability like a block 50-52 F-16 provides. Or an upgraded JFT that can carry weapons on 9 had-points and can carry 6 ton weapons, can also in theory provide the same capability as the F-16. But what you have to remember is that outside of having the same speed, weapons loading, handling capability and an AESA, what is the quality of all these components.

If the quality is the same or superior, than the argument holds its ground. But only someone who has flown the JFT and the F-16 on here can explain this. The rest is all speculations.

The F-16 is pretty much finished it's evolutionary cycles .

This is SO not true! The USAF is working with LM to further upgrade thousands of the F-16's so that they can be in active service till 2034. These birds will be upgraded (and will have stealthy components, like the F-18 and the F-15 have received). with advance AESA, etc (I'd call the upgrades as the watered down version of the F-35, miniaturized to be used within the F-16's, not all of them but some upgrades for sure).

Why Just Equal to F-16??? Why not Better then that???

If you can create a "real" equal to the F-16 in all aspects, trust me, you could move forward and build a 5th gen platform from there. India has used American, Israeli and French help from design to development to weapons integration. Their LCA still hasn't been able to come close to a true F-16 block 52 configuration. Also, the name "F-16" is old. But the jet built in block-52 isn't. It's a 90's matured platform and a new plane compared to previous F-16 models. Similarly, the block-60 is a new plane altogether from the 21st century in 4++ gen configuration and with very close-to-5th gen avionics.

 

[Signalian]

I hope PAF gets out of the psyche of making "F-16" as a standard. For non-stealth planes, the standard could be EF,Rafale, Gripen NG, F-18 E/F SH, all of these are top notch fighters. There was also a time when ROSE upgraded Mirages were on par with F-16 Block 15 in capability.

This also indicates that new F-16's are not the cards so PAF wants to bring JF-17 to that standard. This will kill the need for new Block 52+. Having said that, even if today USA lightens its policies, PAF will at once absorb as many F-16's as it can, into its inventory.

It doesnt make sense to have two kinds of aircrafts having same capabilities!

 

[CriticalThought]

I hope PAF gets out of the psyche of making "F-16" as a standard. For non-stealth planes, the standard could be EF,Rafale, Gripen NG, F-18 E/F SH, all of these are top notch fighters. There was also a time when ROSE upgraded Mirages were on par with F-16 Block 15 in capability.

This also indicates that new F-16's are not the cards so PAF wants to bring JF-17 to that standard. This will kill the need for new Block 52+. Having said that, even if today USA lightens its policies, PAF will at once absorb as many F-16's as it can, into its inventory.

It doesnt make sense to have two kinds of aircrafts having same capabilities!

Nothing wrong with making Block 70 a standard. It's a top of the line next generation plane.

It wouldn't make sense having two different aircrafts with similar capabilities if we were starting to induct today. Given the ground reality that both aircraft are operational today, it makes sense to increase their numbers and acquire modern versions of both.

 

[Penguin]

Near-peer quality (" almost as good as") at substantially lower unit and operational cost might be interesting as this allows for a larger fleet to be maintained. And quantity has a quality of its own.