JF17 is an aircraft of present,Tejas is an aircraft of future - IAF chief

[DESERT FIGHTER]

Sure I will.
And please do wake me up when your future blk3 flies with the mk1a configuration

A)Block III will be operational by 2020.

B)Why would it fly with “MK1a” config?

C)Make Mk1 operational first before boastin about future.

 

[aman_rai0007]

40 years have gone..

Trust me.. time has already told.

Aa said earlier... We are not in thay much hurry that we need to induct a half baked aircraft.
We can wait few more years

A)Block III will be operational by 2020.

B)Why would it fly with “MK1a” config?

C)Make Mk1 operational first before boastin about future.

A) mk1a will also be ready by 2020.
B) because the configuration is almost same for both, but as jf is soo advance it should atleast have the features that mk1a will have.
3)mk1 is already operational with IAF

 

[My-Analogous]

do you even make a 80CC moped engine or a water jet pump inhouse and tthen you guys dream of AESA Radar & HMD


but guess what we have already made LDRE Uttam AESA radar

https://www.quora.com/Is-India-developing-working-on-AESA-radars

http://idrw.org/its-uttam-aesa-vs-israeli-elta-2052-aesa-for-tejas-mk1a/


wake up kidd tejas is already oprational and inducted and it does not needs kavery it has GE404 and MK1A alreay in intiration proces with a vrsion of 98 Kn GE414

there is second Production line already opration in full wsing and 8 already handed over to IAF 32 more to come in MK1 (FOC ) format after 83 that MK1A format (550-800 less wieght than MK1 version + AESA radar & Full GaN AESA based RWR+EW+ECM+Internal Jammer & avionics suits & internal forward looking IRST sensor & 360 degrees all aspect HOBS) so dont worry we already fight testing these capbilities on six diffrent platforms


they are not Bs argument they are bitter facts JF 17 even does not have OBOGS which MK1 has

Read the post again KID. Don't try to twist the fact. IAF need atleast two year more for induction of LCA 40 numbers. This is not a Bollywood movie

 

[randomradio]

we have been hearing this nonsense for last 2 decades. stop day dreaming first start replacing old migs with tejas then compare it with far superior thunder.

It's already started.

Yea, in your case it's cheap and ridiculous.
JF-17 has visited and performed in Farnborough, Paris, Dubai, Turkey, China, Oman and Saudi....most of them repeatedly....where has your Tejas visited.....oh Barain Car boot sale is not exactly considered an airshow.....it's a civil entity hence there were hardly any fighter jets present there.....but hey who knows in another 20 years Tejas may make it into a proper international airshow.

Well, then. The next time LCA visits an air show, I hope you guys won't pack up your bags and run away.

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

Aa said earlier... We are not in thay much hurry that we need to induct a half baked aircraft.
We can wait few more years


A) mk1a will also be ready by 2020.
B) because the configuration is almost same for both, but as jf is soo advance it should atleast have the features that mk1a will have.
3)mk1 is already operational with IAF

You can wait 40 more n produce a turd... n wait another 40, boasting about its future version.

Read the post again KID. Don't try to twist the fact. IAF need atleast two year more for induction of LCA 40 numbers. This is not a Bollywood movie

More like 4-5 years.

 

[kabooter_maila]

And in the next 10 years, the LCA will have surpassed the JF-17's numbers. And almost all the LCAs will have AESA radars.

Come back after Teja surpasses JFT in numbers in ten years. At this point, Teja is a jero, a big jero. Undershtand?

 

[MimophantSlayer]

Fact : 1> No PAF Personal or any responsible person from Pakistan side ever compared the JF-17 with the likes of Tejas as simply there's no comparison between an aircraft serving in some six operational squadrons, being flown out and displayed in Europe, Middle East, Africa and Asia, has participated in international exercises, regularly carries out combat duties and even has an air-to-air kill to it's credit. It's also won export orders.

So?
Every pakistani poster here resorts to the same strawman argument.
So what if JF-17 has more planes flying, how does that translate to it being better than Tejas?

Maybe have the gall to fly JF-17 in the same air show as the Tejas and try not run away at the last moment after seeing IAF fly their indigenous machine, then talk about how you have flown in oh so many airshows.

Also, the first air to air kill of JF-17 is a drone flown by Iran, maybe your military will finally gather their courage and American drones will get the same treatment from JF-17s as they operate inside your territory and once in a while kill your citizens.............NOT.

Fact : 2> The Indians from the IAF Air chief and every Prem, Preety & Patli have to repeatedly mention the JF-17 and exaggerate the capabilities of Tejas just to feel good and convince the Indian public, as they say proof is in the pudding, forget all the fancy gadget details or what role each aircraft will play, the fact is Tejas made it's maiden flight much earlier than the JF-17....however the JF-17 first appeared in public by flying a short display on Pakistan Day parade 2007 where as until 2016, the Tejas had to be dragged on a trailer.
What's there to compare. !!!

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Another strawman argument.
JF-17 is free from comparison and is somehow better than Tejas because it flew in a parade before Tejas? That's the proofs and puddings you can come up with? What nonsense.

JF-17 was inducted earlier because Americans weren't selling you their F-16s, you didn't have enough money and you needed cheap filler aircrafts to maintain some semblance of numbers in a dwindling air force, as compared to IAF which was regularly inducting Su-30s, MiG-29s and Mirage 2000s, hence you inducted a fighter which wasn't even ready and is yet to have subsystems which were made mandatory for Tejas for its initial induction.

Maybe you are asking people to ignore about the various subsystems in Tejas vs the JF-17 is because you already know how they fare, or maybe you can tell us which part exactly is exaggerated?

 

[Ultima Thule]

Well, then. The next time LCA visits an air show, I hope you guys won't pack up your bags and run away.

bring it on we are waiting @randomradio

Also, the first air to air kill of JF-17 is a drone flown by Iran, maybe your military will finally gather their courage and American drones will get the same treatment from JF-17s as they operate inside your territory and once in a while kill your citizens.............NOT.

PAF is under supervision of civilian govt and our politicians sell themselves to west/USA, if govt permit to shoot down US drone they will do it @cyclops


Lets end this endless debates we have different approach/concept than you Tejas IAF wanted complete product thats why you Tejas is late, we have similar approach/concept like F-16 for our JF-17 we/ China build a raw product and steadily upgraded to the next level, (ITS SIMILAR APPROACH TO ALMOST ALL WESTERN, ESPECIALLY FOR US TEEN SERIES JETS LIKE F-16,F-14,F-15 AND F-18 HAVE) and also remember that we are building a aviation industries through JF-17 and we have not that vast as India have @cyclops

 

[Vapnope]

tell me @Vapnope if JF17 is so great why did PLAAF reject it

1 - JF-17 was made for export not for PLAAF.
2 - We don't call JF-17 a top notch plane, but a plane that fills the gap. It is owned and being used by PAF
3 - Which brings back me to the original question, why a future plane is being rejected time and again by professional pilots?

Also, the first air to air kill of JF-17 is a drone flown by Iran, maybe your military will finally gather their courage and American drones will get the same treatment from JF-17s as they operate inside your territory and once in a while kill your citizens.............NOT.

And first kill of SU 30mki is a friggin balloon maybe someday you will be able to chase Chinese choppers who continue to violate your airspace instead of verbal bravery here on PDF.

 

[MimophantSlayer]

And first kill of SU 30mki is a friggin balloon maybe someday you will be able to chase Chinese choppers who continue to violate your airspace instead of verbal bravery here on PDF.

Strawman, what does Su-30MKI have to do in the debate?
Coz regardless of you bringing it up, it won't make the JF-17 better than the MKIs.
Just like how 3rd gen fighters out there which have a long service record but in no way are comparable to today's 4.5 & 5th gen aircrafts.

As for the chinese choppers in Indian airspace, it is not in anyway similar to pakistan's situation, the chinese are not killing our people willy nilly while we sit idly by and talk about how our AF will easily take out the infringing drones in television debates and internet forums, like in your case.

 

[Vapnope]

Strawman, what does Su-30MKI have to do in the debate?
Coz regardless of you bringing it up, it won't make the JF-17 better than the MKIs.
Just like how 3rd gen fighters out there which have a long service record but in no way are comparable to today's 4.5 & 5th gen aircrafts.

1 - You mentioned Kill of Jf-17 so i had to send a gentle reminder about SU 30 MKI
2 - No one in his/her right mind will compare Jf-17 with sU30mki

As for the chinese choppers in Indian airspace, it is not in anyway similar to pakistan's situation, the chinese are not killing our people willy nilly while we sit idly by and talk about how our AF will easily take out the infringing drones in television debates and internet forums, like in your case.

Assam insurgency *cough*, Maoist insurgency *Cough*..

 

[MimophantSlayer]

1 - You mentioned Kill of Jf-17 so i had to send a gentle reminder about SU 30 MKI
2 - No one in his/her right mind will compare Jf-17 with sU30mki

1- I only replied to someone else who had mentioned it, never started it.
2- That still doesn't stop pdf pakistanis from doing so.

Assam insurgency *cough*, Maoist insurgency *Cough*..

Another strawman.
We are talking about overt military action that is there for everyone to see, a state policy basically and not a covert one(if there is one at all) that can be denied.
Ergo USA openly infringing pakistani airspace and killing pakistanis.

Also Maoism is our problem that became worse coz we ignored it rather than something China agravated.
A problem that is on its last leg.

 

[Ultima Thule]

Another strawman.
We are talking about overt military action that is there for everyone to see, a state policy basically and not a covert one(if there is one at all) that can be denied.
Ergo USA openly infringing pakistani airspace and killing pakistanis.

With due respect mate main problem is our corrupt politicians they sell them selves to west/US @cyclops

 

[PakEye]

Very Simple
JF 17 is operational for today as required by PAF
Block-1 operational
Block-2 operational
Block-B ready

The Current variant of LCA Tejas is not ready for today's requirements of IAF
As Said by IAF Chief.

 

[aman_rai0007]

You can wait 40 more n produce a turd... n wait another 40, boasting about its future version.


More like 4-5 years.

And you can induct a half baked aircraft tommaro and keep boasting about its numbers