JF17 BLK4-----Major Upgrade & Replacement For F16's

[Xerxes1]

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Mastaan,

You are loosing it again. You have no right or qualifications to go around pretending to be the only aviation and PAF expert on this forum and putting other members down. You know what I can do to you. Please take your medications, take a deep breath and chill.

You are threatning an honorable member member just coz he thought u were more intelligent than u actually are ,I m new here so kindly tell me if u own this forum or something

 

[Dark Eradicator Warlock]

Hi,

You are correct----the missile just tears the heart away----there is not doubt about that---.

But keep in mind the aspect of a heavy strike aircraft launching weapons---they are also " cruise missiles "----. They just give a lots of flexibility and target selection.

Can you elaborate the advantage of deep strike capability of fighter vs missile

 

[majid mehmood]

Paf is indeed a big time fucked up organization and this we ll realize after a war ciz we r a fkng sleeping nation we wake up after a trategy and start accounting then like 1971

I agree infact we have three options one europeon vixen1000 from selex anglo italian firm the other two are chineese the one being used on j10 fron nanjing electronic institute and another one from different chineese firm but for aesa we need a more powerful.engine rd93ma or latest ws13

its already confirmed that aesa radar will come from china almost similar to that of j10b
as for engine it is uprated to 98kn
these are for blk 3 for more info look at my first post on this thread

Hi,

You are correct----the missile just tears the heart away----there is not doubt about that---.

But keep in mind the aspect of a heavy strike aircraft launching weapons---they are also " cruise missiles "----. They just give a lots of flexibility and target selection.

but always remember heavy fighters large rcs if they are cheAP
and money is a big problem

 

[Xerxes1]

its already confirmed that aesa radar will come from china almost similar to that of j10b
as for engine it is uprated to 98kn
these are for blk 3 for more info look at my first post on this thread


but always remember heavy fighters large rcs if they are cheAP
and money is a big problem

So basically u mean f18 su35 j11 j16 AND all heavy aircrafts are irrelevant in modern warfare ? We should retire our airforce and start piling loads of missiles what childish thinking
And you are a full member lol lol

 

[ACE OF THE AIR]

it's abusive to me.
@Thunder.Storm , change it or not, it's up to you. as you know . "we are democracy"

What did you find abusive in my post?

 

[C130]

wouldn't a new more powerful engine for the JF-17 also make sense?

this would counter the loss in performance by enlarging the frame/wing by 20%

This is a better choice for the PAF for the next 30 years：

v2.0 due out soon。

are you going to subsidize the cost to procure, and maintain??

 

[SQ8]

[QUOTE="C130, post: 8227402, member: 159722"]wouldn't a new more powerful engine for the JF-17 also make sense?

this would counter the loss in performance by enlarging the frame/wing by 20%




are you going to subsidize the cost to procure, and maintain??[/QUOTE]

It is already out there..and there is not going to be an airframe increase since it would negate the core focus of the JF-17: being a cost effective replacement. Moreover, that development cost is better suited to put into a 5th generation asset.

 

[That Guy]

[QUOTE="C130, post: 8227402, member: 159722"]wouldn't a new more powerful engine for the JF-17 also make sense?

this would counter the loss in performance by enlarging the frame/wing by 20%




are you going to subsidize the cost to procure, and maintain??

It is already out there..and there is not going to be an airframe increase since it would negate the core focus of the JF-17: being a cost effective replacement. Moreover, that development cost is better suited to put into a 5th generation asset.

Question, what makes you say that? Genuinely curious.

From what I know, even with an air frame change, the cost should go down in the long run anyway. As long as major upgrades are spaced out in an economical time frame, the costs shouldn't increase by that much. If the thunder is going to remain Pakistan's workhorse for the next 40 years, it's going to need air frame changes, much like the F-16 did.

 

[Viper0011.]

Is there potential of using FC-31 in dual role like a Stealth Fighter when using Internal Weapons Bay and as Heavy Strike Aircraft when using External Weapon Stores?
If Yes we should focus on FC-31 (kill two birds with one stone).
@MastanKhan @Viper0011. @Quwa

You can use it for any purposes, its like anti-biotic medicine, its used to treat all kinds of Bacterial infections. But, not every anti-biotic works on every single Bacteria out there. So the stealth is not an answer for every mission. But can you do it? Absolutely, its your aircraft once you buy it

Each flight of any stealth aircraft costs a lot more money than any other platform. Plus using external bays, gives away the stealthiness of the plane. So its best to use the stealth option for very critical missions such as SEAD, Escort and to achieve air-dominance or supremacy where delayed identification of the stealthy jets comes in handy as by the time they are identified in the area, usually the other side has started to lose her planes or the planes are too busy avoiding a radar lock from missiles already too close.

 

[C130]

let's take the F-16 to F-16XL

with a little modification the JF-17 could become a strike fighter

how much this would cost I dunno, but in the long term it would save you money instead of by a new aircraft for that role


this modification provided 82% more fuel, allowed twice the amount of ordnance to be carried, andto fly 40% further.

if the JF-17 could get the same kinda performance that would be huge.

WS-13A would provide the power needed as well.

 

[SQ8]

let's take the F-16 to F-16XL
how much this would cost I dunno, but in the long term it would save you money instead of by a new aircraft for that role.

It would only save money if that particular variant is produced in enough numbers. Economy of scale was with the F-16XL.. not with the JF-17.

The same issues that plague the Japanese F-2 will plague any such variant.

 

[Viper0011.]

It would only save money if that particular variant is produced in enough numbers. Economy of scale was with the F-16XL.. not with the JF-17.

The same issues that plague the Japanese F-2 will plague any such variant.

Why is that? The PAF has around 200 older fighters to replace....so there is demand for that. Then, she'll need strike, electronic warfare and ground support variants. The JFT is a multi-role platform but you can still focus on creating certain squadrons doing specific tasks.....that way, you have more specialized skills and also, modified JFT variants, thus creating larger numbers and economies of scale.

And no other aircraft in history will ever match economies of scale created by the F-16. THe Japanese issues were different. They simply didn't want to produce F-2 in larger numbers and would rather use the US defense umbrella.

Pakistan on the other hand, doesn't have the luxury the Japanese have, whether its the US defending Japan, or the economy and availability of easy few billions of $$. Pakistan's JFT program is really a lifeline due to various reasons, including the JFT's lower cost. So it would workout for Pakistan due to fewer options. Someone once said in Russian, that "need is the mother of invention"....JFT is that invention born out of serious need....

 

[Khafee]

@OverLoad Bro, I don't know about the kill switch. But what I do know is that PAF is paying Lockheed millions of US$ for maintenance. Now, one wonders what is that maintenance that PAF cannot do on it's own?

Secondly, what happens IF that maintenance stops? Will the aircrafts be airworthy, if so, then for how long?

Lastly, About the OBL raid, the top 3&4 star PA/PAF generals knew about the raid, there were not going to be any scrambles.

Best Regards

 

[SQ8]

Why is that? The PAF has around 200 older fighters to replace....so there is demand for that. Then, she'll need strike, electronic warfare and ground support variants. The JFT is a multi-role platform but you can still focus on creating certain squadrons doing specific tasks.....that way, you have more specialized skills and also, modified JFT variants, thus creating larger numbers and economies of scale.

And no other aircraft in history will ever match economies of scale created by the F-16.

200 that can take JF-17 in its standard aircraft configuration. No need for the needless.

At maximum, the PAF is prepared to push its combat inventory to 500 aircraft.. and wants a minimum of 300.

 

[C130]

It would only save money if that particular variant is produced in enough numbers. Economy of scale was with the F-16XL.. not with the JF-17.

The same issues that plague the Japanese F-2 will plague any such variant.

F-16XL was never produced in large numbers so the economy of scale doesn't matter.


China/Pakistan can always increase the number of JF-17 they produce. JF-17 blk/3 and blk/4 should garner some attention in the 2nd and 3rd world.


I can see 300 JF-17 being build in the next 15 years