JF-17 Thunder Multirole Fighter [Thread 7]

[Shabi1]

Lol.... Only on PDF, the Pakistanis themselves will troll to ruin a sticky thread..... @waz, @Eagle please look to this reply above....

JF-17 B was developed for fighter conversion requirements of some export orders however it doesnt make it a training only jet. It has full combat capability. Advent of advanced simulators have reduced dependence on twin seat fighter converters for PAF so for fighters PAF uses the twin seat version in same roles as the single seater when they are not in use for conversion training. The F-16B/D have been valuable strike aircrafts for PAF in anti militant operations as the second pilot can concentrate more on finding hidden targets using the targeting pods. Same role is envisioned for the JF-17B. Second seat pilot is also very useful in dedicated EW missions as he can operate as a signals officer and select what measures needed to be taken for active jamming, same role can be done by single seater but added workload on pilot.

Aircraft pylons can be installed as per requirement. There is a wide variety of options and types depending upon the load out that needs to be attached eg, multi ejector racks, for fuel tanks, for AA missiles for, for pods etc.

The picture you quoted is a JF-17B in clean configuration and eventually once it enters operation there will be more pictures of it with loadouts.
Here is a JF-17A Blk-2 in clean configuration and then a picture with pylons and weapons. Pylons are usually removed from aircrafts when performing displays in order to minimize drag. Wingtip pylon on the thunder is built into the aircraft wing, its usually done for aircraft where some type of ECM equipment or sensors are on the wingtips.

Infact a new multi pylon for SD-10 loadout is expected for JF-17 Block-3

Here's a picture of a twin seat Rafale in clean configuration, it doesnt make it a trainer only

Also you see the needle in front of the nose of JF-17B, this means this is a test aircraft. It's used for recording parameters. While most of these sensors are integrated into the aircraft for service, having them on a boom in front of the nose keeps them in undisturbed airflow to provide exact data which is used to check how well the aircraft behaves compared to design predictions/ parameters.

YF-22 test unit with similar sensor, its a norm on all test units.

 

[MastanKhan]

JF-17 B was developed for fighter conversion requirements of some export orders however it doesnt make it a training only jet. It has full combat capability. Advent of advanced simulators have reduced dependence on twin seat fighter converters for PAF so for fighters PAF uses the twin seat version in same roles as the single seater when they are not in use for conversion training. The F-16B/D have been valuable strike aircrafts for PAF in anti militant operations as the second pilot can concentrate more on finding hidden targets using the targeting pods. Same role is envisioned for the JF-17B. Second seat pilot is also very useful in dedicated EW missions as he can operate as a signals officer and select what measures needed to be taken for active jamming, same role can be done by single seater but added workload on pilot.

Aircraft pylons can be installed as per requirement. There is a wide variety of options and types depending upon the load out that needs to be attached eg, multi ejector racks, for fuel tanks, for AA missiles for, for pods etc.

The picture you quoted is a JF-17B in clean configuration and eventually once it enters operation there will be more pictures of it with loadouts.
Here is a JF-17A Blk-2 in clean configuration and then a picture with pylons and weapons. Pylons are usually removed from aircrafts when performing displays in order to minimize drag. Wingtip pylon on the thunder is built into the aircraft wing, its usually done for aircraft where some type of ECM equipment or sensors are on the wingtips.

Infact a new multi pylon for SD-10 loadout is expected for JF-17 Block-3

Here's a picture of a twin seat Rafale in clean configuration, it doesnt make it a trainer only

Also you see the needle in front of the nose of JF-17B, this means this is a test aircraft. It's used for recording parameters. While most of these sensors are integrated into the aircraft for service, having them on a boom in front of the nose keeps them in undisturbed airflow to provide exact data which is used to check how well the aircraft behaves compared to design predictions/ parameters.

YF-22 test unit with similar sensor, its a norm on all test units.

Hi,

Thanks for the post---I wrote a similar reply but then deleted it---knowing that some of the indian members just write stupid comments out of habbit---.

That kid does not even have the brains to consider that how can an air craft be without hard points---.

 

[Shabi1]

Hi,

Thanks for the post---I wrote a similar reply but then deleted it---knowing that some of the indian members just write stupid comments out of habbit---.

That kid does not even have the brains to consider that how can an air craft be without hard points---.

Giving facts with evidences should be enough. But there are some with whom no matter how hard you try, they will find a keera . It's inevitable.

However best not to get bothered if they don't understand from a simple and polite answer. Everyone has the right to believe what they like doesnt effect us and no shortage of keyboard warriors.

 

[GriffinsRule]

Yeah trying to reply to an Indian who has been on the forum since 2009 and has 300+ posts ... No he is deliberately trying to derail the thread. There wont be any loss to the forum if hes banned.

 

[Readerdefence]

Hi can senior member forward my request to admin about attaching everybody’s email with every
Post by the member on the forum in this way thread derailment can be stopped to some extent
Like if someone post anything on sinodefence or any other forum their is an email send to you in your email box this way trolls can be banned permanently my thought
Hopefully it will work
Thank you

 

[Armchair-General]

 

[Deino]

 

[MiG-35-BD]

A member here has noted the following:

1. PAF will get the Block III, not JF-17B. But the block III will include two seaters
2. A Thales EW system and some avionics will be integrated

His name is skipping me just now, a member. Oh Right, @Rohail Asif

 

[Dazzler]

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[Gallium Nitride]

@MiG-35-BD PAF will induct these prototypes of JF-17B, but these are mainly for export. Countries like Myanmar, Senegal and Nigeria need these for training purpose. This year PAC will produce 12 additional JF-17A Block IIs in supplement production so PAF will have 62 Block IIAs, Block III's final contract is about to be signed in a few weeks.
What I know about Block III, mentioned is the Thales Scorpion HMD, AESA Radar either from NRIET or J-10C's Wushi AESA. Block IIIB will be similar to this B prototype while Block IIIA will have redesigning. And good news is that the powerplant is not RD-93 (Not sure which one but will let you know soon).

 

[Dazzler]

@MiG-35-BD PAF will induct these prototypes of JF-17B, but these are mainly for export. Countries like Myanmar, Senegal and Nigeria need these for training purpose. This year PAC will produce 12 additional JF-17A Block IIs in supplement production so PAF will have 62 Block IIAs, Block III's final contract is about to be signed in a few weeks.
What I know about Block III, mentioned is the Thales Scorpion HMD, AESA Radar either from NRIET or J-10C's Wushi AESA. Block IIIB will be similar to this B prototype while Block IIIA will have redesigning. And good news is that the powerplant is not RD-93 (Not sure which one but will let you know soon).

NRIET KLJ-7A is running favorite at the moment, but Wushi is not to far behind.

 

[Gallium Nitride]

NRIET KLJ-7A is running favorite at the moment, but Wushi is not to far behind.

Sir what I forgot to mention is that JF-17B's tail is fully composite, no fuel is compromised because of the bulked dorsal spine and shifting of fuel in the strake and tail areas has increased fuel carrying capacity

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Why I am black lol

 

[Maxpane]

Sir can you share info about wushi aesa?

 

[MiG-35-BD]

@MiG-35-BD PAF will induct these prototypes of JF-17B, but these are mainly for export. Countries like Myanmar, Senegal and Nigeria need these for training purpose. This year PAC will produce 12 additional JF-17A Block IIs in supplement production so PAF will have 62 Block IIAs, Block III's final contract is about to be signed in a few weeks.
What I know about Block III, mentioned is the Thales Scorpion HMD, AESA Radar either from NRIET or J-10C's Wushi AESA. Block IIIB will be similar to this B prototype while Block IIIA will have redesigning. And good news is that the powerplant is not RD-93 (Not sure which one but will let you know soon).

Thank you very much for this detailed information. I am a big fan of the JF-17.

You also mentioned EW is from Thales. So the HMD and EW is from Thales, surely must include other goodies in avionics.

I am guessing engine is WS-13 which is rumored to be more powerful, but may be slightly heavier.

Redesign will be very interesting to see, even if minimal. May be some LO features for frontal RCS, a really effective way to improve the overal capabilities. This may just be the ultimate JF-17.

 

[Maxpane]

Can any one tell about wushi aesa range and other things . Plz