When exactly did you see multirole being used in practice?
Probably against Libyan, Iraqi and Afghan target practice. In Pak vs Ind; JF17 with a 2BVR and 2WVR load is perfectly suited for any misadventure from IAF.
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When exactly did you see multirole being used in practice?
Orangzeb.I salute the empty space between both of your ears. You've wasted so many posts with personal insults but nothing concrete has come out. Good luck, please no need to respond as there is nothing to discuss here. Learn first kid
When exactly did you see multirole being used in practice?
Sorry, but I have no idea of what you are talking. Multi role only means that a fighter can be used in A2A and A2G roles, not that it does it at the same time. That's why I said that JF 17 is a multi role fighter unlike the Jaguar for example, that is a dedicated strike fighter.
The point however is, that in strike config, both fighters have the same number of hardpoints for similar weapons, therefor are limited to very basic self defence capabilities and that's what I showed in that picture. Not more not less!
And please don't make an Indo-Pak issue out of it, which has nothing to do with my statements. I only showed that the the lack of hardpoints is limiting the fighter in it's operations, even if it is a 4th gen multi role fight!
Let us then focus on a2g or a2a... Why would you need more hard-points for JF17?
Let us then focus on a2g or a2a... Why would you need more hard-points for JF17? And yes, let us not compare LCA cause that one is not even operational or fully tested with BVR... Or guided A2G.
what does the last year's load test signify?
Orangzeb.
You have raised some interesting points which I would appreciate you expanding a bit further on.
I certainly agree wth the notion of at least one hardpoint below the inlet for a mounted IRST ?other probe. We can then have possibly 2 oter points for BVRs , or have 4 BVRs on MERs. Do we still need 2 additional hardpoints given the dire need to replace platforms and the length of the engagement corridor. Then there will be the problems of getting a higher thrust engine with its own procurement/integration testing and consequent delays. So what would be the advantage of having additional hardpoints over MERs?
Given the problems with procurement of newer higher thrust engines , two questions arise.
a)What is the maximum thrust that the frame can tolerate?
b) where is the new engine going to come from.
input would be appreciated.
Araz
I have no need on harp on anything, I just showed you how the situation was and when even modern multi role fighters fly with minimim AAM load nothing more. For JF 17 it doesn't matter anyway, since it lacks hardpoints as shown.
Sancho has a point. Plus he is not talking about LCA. I hope that JF-17 Block-3 has an additional hard point per wing, and another under fuselage for a pod, for a total of 3 hard points.
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@sancho, in a2g I would question the utility of JF-17 carrying BVR missiles. Sure it would be nice to have JF-17 carry a pair of BVRs, but two factors would negate the need: 1. An a2g mission package would likely entail a pair of escorting warplanes in a2a config. 2. In case of low-level ingress BVRs would have little utility, plus after expending ordnance, a JF-17 in a2g config would likely hit the deck and run for it. Your point matters if a JF-17 is flying at reasonable altitude, and in that case it would likely be carrying stand-off weapons - another complication for various reasons.
So yeah Sancho you have a valid point. But if PAF feels that it can have JF-17 work within this limitation then they must know how to avoid scenarios in which the limitations might matter. That, then is a matter of tactics in view of intended roles. Also, block-2 standard would be applied to first 100 JF-17 only. The rest would likely be Block-3 variants and we can not be sure today as to what improvements would it have - but I guess improvements would target perceived weaknesses. Until then, let us wait.
I have no need on harp on anything, I just showed you how the situation was and when even modern multi role fighters fly with minimim AAM load nothing more. For JF 17 it doesn't matter anyway, since it lacks hardpoints as shown.