JF-17 Thunder Multirole Fighter [Thread 5]

[Tempest II]

I think it is about making money. The FC-1/JF-17 is becoming more and more a Pakistan project. Proudly and rightly so, Pakistan is getting the larger share of the workload. Imagine in another 5 to 10 years. Chinese companies need to make money regardless of what they are selling and protect their markets. Nothing wrong and I would not call them bad for that.
Maybe Pakistan needs a 3rd party with money … … someone other than China which will have a conflict of interests. China has F-7s (I believe Tanzania and Bangladesh were receiving brand new builds last year), FTC-2000G, L-15 and the J-10 to sell. Considering the long-term services and spares contracts for such deals and their value, CATIC is protecting its interests. Already Kamra is servicing/over-hauling F-7s for the likes of Nigeria and Sri Lanka among others. I understand training too. Logic says CATIC will put FC-1 at the bottom of the list. The bulk of the money they will ever make on the FC-1 is already secure through the PAF development costs and 250 planes. The other 50-100 planes expected elsewhere are a small part with an even smaller profit.

 

[VCheng]

I think it is about making money. The FC-1/JF-17 is becoming more and more a Pakistan project. Proudly and rightly so, Pakistan is getting the larger share of the workload. Imagine in another 5 to 10 years. Chinese companies need to make money regardless of what they are selling and protect their markets. Nothing wrong and I would not call them bad for that.
Maybe Pakistan needs a 3rd party with money … … someone other than China which will have a conflict of interests. China has F-7s (I believe Tanzania and Bangladesh were receiving brand new builds last year), FTC-2000G, L-15 and the J-10 to sell. Considering the long-term services and spares contracts for such deals and their value, CATIC is protecting its interests. Already Kamra is servicing/over-hauling F-7s for the likes of Nigeria and Sri Lanka among others. I understand training too. Logic says CATIC will put FC-1 at the bottom of the list. The bulk of the money they will ever make on the FC-1 is already secure through the PAF development costs and 250 planes. The other 50-100 planes expected elsewhere are a small part with an even smaller profit.

“Remember, if you ever need a helping hand, it's at the end of your arm, as you get older, remember you have another hand: The first is to help yourself, the second is to help others.” - Audrey Hepburn.

 

[Manticore]

China is not operating jf-17 and has not committed to it-- this isnt a confidence builder

China will get only a % of the profit from jft sale

JF-17 and J-10 might end up offering similar if not same capability -- translating in less j10 sales -- so there might be a reluctance to pitch jft by the chinese in favour of j10/ j7 sales

Russian engine

With jft, a young airforce might need to invest in bvr, bvr trianing, awacs, air refuellers

Not many countries/ potential buyers with threats

JF-17 blk2 not out yet

Kicks backs and corruption loophole

PAF's 250 jf-17s might be a priority

Production lines investment in foreign country by pac?

Long term services, spare parts, maintenance provided exclusievely by pac?

Credits/ loans offered by pac?

JFT needs a strong financial backer like saudia

 

[My-Analogous]

Hi,

JF17 is going to be an awesome aircraft and it is going to take on everything in iaf's arsenal except for the su30.

SU 30 is a massive aircraft---it has a massive radar---it can carry a massive number of BVR missile and it can carry a massive jammer.

What I have been saying is---and many cannot understand----"When you send your near and dear---the sons of the soil---your warriors to fight your battles---in all fairness---you have to equip them with weapons capable to inflict equal harm on the enemy and come back in one piece.

Another pearl from Mastan, but you have tendency that till someone didn't beat you well you didn't speak a language of pearl

@Mastan Khan - U think u can predict results of future battles ??

After long sleep finally first blood, anyway welcome back to PDF

 

[BATMAN]

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Further to the belief that China would rather sell other planes other than the FC-1. Considering the target countries for the FC-1 and how they are likely to need financing, and that Pakistan in less able (compared to China, Russia, Koreas, Sweden, etc) than other countries to give such credit to potential customers, this is one other reason JF-17 sales are slow in picking up.

Does any one knows, what become of Zardari appointee Rao Qamar Khan?

 

[My-Analogous]

You joined on 2008 and you're making your first post today targetting mastan khan...wow

First blood mate

 

[Kompromat]

“Remember, if you ever need a helping hand, it's at the end of your arm, as you get older, remember you have another hand: The first is to help yourself, the second is to help others.” - Audrey Hepburn.

JSF has half a dozen 'helping hands', so does the Eurofighter. Whats your point?

 

[VCheng]

JSF has half a dozen 'helping hands', so does the Eurofighter. Whats your point?

Yes, good point. Those helping hands are funded by those hands themselves. No fighter jet project is being run as a charity.

 

[BATMAN]

Yes, good point. Those helping hands are funded by those hands themselves. No fighter jet project is being run as a charity.

Block-60 was funded by UAE

 

[Kompromat]

Yes, good point. Those helping hands are funded by those hands themselves. No fighter jet project is being run as a charity.

Did we demand charity?
Isn't JSF an idea to 'divide costs'?
Isn't EF an idea to 'divide costs'?

Whats wrong if we want international partners to drop per unit costs, please do bless me with an answer.

 

[VCheng]

Did we demand charity?
Isn't JSF an idea to 'divide costs'?
Isn't EF an idea to 'divide costs'?

Whats wrong if we want international partners to drop per unit costs, please do bless me with an answer.

Nothing is wrong with asking for money. Getting it is quite another matter.

 

[Kompromat]

Nothing is wrong with asking for money. Getting it is quite another matter.

We are not asking for 'money'. We are inviting other nations to join in the program, so that it becomes more cheaper for everyone to build and operate. When Americans and Europeans do it, its business, when we do it, its charity?

 

[VCheng]

We are not asking for 'money'. We are inviting other nations to join in the program, so that it becomes more cheaper for everyone to build and operate. When Americans and Europeans do it, its business, when we do it, its charity?

That invitation will work only if the other party with the money finds the JF-17 suitable for its needs better than the alternatives.

 

[Kompromat]

That invitation will work only if the other party with the money finds the JF-17 suitable for its needs better than the alternatives.

That is why we are pitching it to our potential customers. One always picks an apple if its worth eating....that is not up to us, that is up to the customers. Our job is to sell, which we are doing.

 

[VCheng]

That is why we are pitching it to our potential customers. One always picks an apple if its worth eating....that is not up to us, that is up to the customers. Our job is to sell, which we are doing.

Yes, of course that is the correct strategy to pursue, but it seems to have had zero success thus far. May be it will take off soon, no pun intended.