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H-4 is so confusing... so many contradictory articles!!!




Pakistan tests air-to-air missile
From Our Correspondent
ISLAMABAD — Pakistan successfully test-fired an indigenously manufactured, air to air, anti-aircraft missile on Monday.
According to the credible sources, the missile, fired from a fighter jet, successfully targeted a flying object. This H-4 missile is made by a subsidiary organisation of NESCOM and it is the most advanced version of H missiles.
According to the sources the missile was fired on its target from a Mirage plane over the Arabian Sea. One of the salient feature of the H-4 missile is that it can hit even the out of sight target. The successful experiment of the air to air missile will go a long way in countering the enemy’s air supremacy

http://www.nation.com.pk/daily/april-2003/22/main/top10.asp


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Published 2003-12-18 00:00:00
ISLAMABAD, Dec 17: Pakistan Air Force has integrated the H-4 out-of-sight target bombs in its arsenal of fighter aircraft, official sources said.

The incorporation of H-4 bombs have added to the capability of the PAF to hit out-of-sight targets from a distance of up to 120 kilometres to evade enemy radars during air strikes. A lighter version of the bomb, H-2 model, can hit the out-of-sight targets from a range of up to 60 kilometres.

“It is a step towards adding the Beyond Visual Range (BVR) missiles to our arsenal for defensive purposes and to address the strategic imbalance in the region,” sources said.

The indigenously produced H-4 bombs is an achievement of the National Engineering and Scientific Commission (NESCOM), which works in close collaboration with Pakistan Missile Organization and the Air Weapons Complex.

“Three successful tests of H-4, with the latest conducted this year, produced satisfactory results leading to addition of arsenal in the fighter jets,” the sources said.

The H-4 bombs have been made through indigenous efforts by modifying the technological design of South African T-Darter BVR missiles. Till the induction of JF-17 Thunder in 2006, with a provision for BVRs, the H-2 and H-4 bombs could be carried by Mirage fighter jets. The H-4 infrared device is said to be comparable to that of the AA11, AA12 and Python 4 in the Indian arsenal.

Moreover, the sources said, fighter aircraft in PAF’s arsenal have the “provision” to be fitted with precision-guided munitions and BVR missiles.

When asked about advantages of BVR in Indian arsenal, PAF spokesperson Air Commodore Sarfaraz said: “We are aggressively trying to utilize whatever equipment we have to its optimum operational limits through professional training and by pursuing high standards of maintenance.”

Mr Sarfaraz said: “We are aware of our technological needs and are vigorously trying to meet those requirements either through procurements or indigenous developments.”

The European and the US suppliers were currently not willing to share the technology with Pakistan. However, contacts were being established with China, defence sources said, adding that JF-17 Thunder (to be inducted in 2006), F-16s and the Mirage aircraft in Pakistan’s fleet all had the provision to be fitted with BVRs once the technology and the missiles would be acquired.

PAF adds new bombs to its arsenal - DAWN.COM

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Air Weapons The PAF is also looking for an advanced weapons package to accompany its new advanced fighters. It expects that AMRAAM and JDAM will part of a future F-16 sale, and also expects that either European or Chinese advanced weapons will accompany a potential JAS-39 or J-10 purchase. But in the meantime Pakistan is also trying to develop its own advanced aircraft weapons. Some reports mention a project called "H-4," which appears to be a long-range precision guided bomb. Some sources speculate that South Africa’s 300km range MUPSOW or Torgos turbojet powered cruise missile may be the template for the H-4, while another source speculates it has a range of 120km. The smaller South African Raptor may be the basis for the "H-2" guided bomb has a range of 60km. Pakistani officials say this weapon is in service. Regarding air-to-air weapons, Pakistani officials noted their current commitment to active-guided BVR missiles. They noted a previous attempt to develop a semi-active guided AAM, but had discarded this program. Other recent reports note after long doubts that this program had succeeded, that China did develop a semi-active guided missile during the 1990s called the PL-11 that was based on captured U.S. and purchased Italian AAMs.


International Assessment and Strategy Center > Research > Report On the International Defense Exhibition and Seminar (IDEAS)

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Pak Air Force inducts BVR missiles
PTIDec 18, 2003, 04.45pm IST
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ISLAMABAD: Pakistan Air Force has inducted H-4 Beyond Visual Range missile which could strike a target from a distance of 120 km without visually citing it, evading enemy radars.

"It is a step towards adding the Beyond Visual Range (BVR) missiles to our arsenal for defensive purposes and to address the strategic imbalance in the region," Pakistan daily Dawn quoted PAF officials as saying.

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http://articles.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/2003-12-18/pakistan/27196693_1_missiles-pakistan-air-force-inducts

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Denel of South Africa is offering Pakistan a package of air-to-air weaponry for its planned Chengdu Super 7 fighter being jointly developed with China. It includes a proposed joint development of a datalink-equipped radar-guided beyond visual range (BVR) missile.

The Pakistan air force confirms it is evaluating a range of active-guided BVR missiles, including the newly proposed T-Darter development by Denel's Kentron. The air force's Super 7 chief project director, Air Vice Marshal Hamid Khawaja, describes the South African missile as "very impressive on paper".

T-Darter is understood to be a further development of Kentron's radar-equipped R-Darter now in low-rate production and Ramjet-powered S-Darter or LRAAM. The new proposed air-breathing missile would incorporate a datalink for mid-course guidance updates and effective target engagements at ranges in excess of 50km (27nm).

Denel offers Pakistan missile deal - 2/24/1999 - Flight Global

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It is simply bomb not missile!
 
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H-4 is so confusing... so many contradictory articles!!!

In the AFM Feb 2014 article you have an Air Commodore stating what the H-4 is.
The first article you quoted, says, “According to the credible sources,… …” while that is meant to instill confidence in what the journalist is writing about, it can equally make you start doubting the quality of info.
 
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In the AFM Feb 2014 article you have an Air Commodore stating what the H-4 is.
The first article you quoted, says, “According to the credible sources,… …” while that is meant to instill confidence in what the journalist is writing about, it can equally make you start doubting the quality of info.

The H-4 is the Raptor-II.. the H-2 was the Raptor.. I've stated this before as it is clear to see. There was never any credible BVRAAM development out there.
 
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The H-4 is the Raptor-II.. the H-2 was the Raptor.. I've stated this before as it is clear to see. There was never any credible BVRAAM development out there.


Is the confusion due to V4 aka r darter?
 
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Puls doppler radars are evaluated against 5m2 targets and the official brochure of the KJ7 confirmed that too.

oh Yes. But do we have any 'official brochure' of the "KLJ-7V2" ?

add more radar modes
New modes like ? Doesn't it already have all modes that are required in a Modern day Radar ?

not the detection range, or a new technology, it's still the same radar.
You sound so sure....... how can you say o_O ?
 
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^ There you have it folks even air chief mentions h-4 as a glide bomb.
H-4 being a bvraam missile hypothesis busted.
 
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As per interview of Air cdre Khalid in AFM feb 2014
there could be block four or even block 5 eventually .
H-4 is glide bomb
JF-17 against PLAAF su-27 achieve favorable result
 
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As per interview of Air cdre Khalid in AFM feb 2014
there could be block four or even block 5 eventually .
H-4 is glide bomb
JF-17 against PLAAF su-27 achieve favorable result
AESA radar is also underdevelopment.
 
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^ There you have it folks even air chief mentions h-4 as a glide bomb.
H-4 being a bvraam missile hypothesis busted.

Well it is a bvr missile/glide bomb. Just not Air to Air but Air ground.
 
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also it seems PAF looking into fifth gen ratther than J-10
no. could go upto 250
it was intergated with BVR sd-10 some time back.
raad intergation on going.
 
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