JF 17 is The Wrong Omnirole Aircraft For PAKISTAN

[Malik Usman]

And you think you are the only genius who got this bright Idea.....and all those who are working on this project are stupid peoples they don't know what they need...................this is the step towards self reliance.....to dream big you will have to start from somewhere....Just see India what happend to them....after so many years of struggle their fighter aircraft manufacturing is scrapped and now they are looking investors and manufacturers to do something for them..........
so this is the point of self reliance and manufacturing fighter plans in the country.....rest its just matter of time....now JF-17 Block 3 is already on its way....so in future also something will be coming that will surprise you......

 

[Last Samuri]

Viper let me educate you re finances and war.

Your forex is 13 billion India is 350 billion.

Now this forex will pay for ammo fuel and economic disruption.

Now work out out how long Pakistan cab fight.

Average cost of war per day over one billion per day..

This assumes massive collalteral damage to ports air ports trade destruction ammo and lost equipment.

A war costs serious money and Pakistan his no money

 

[Pindi Boy]

IF ONCE PAK AND CHINA DEVLOP THE ECONOMIC CORIDOR THEN PAK will GENRATE 600 MilliON DOLLER PER DAY INCOME

Viper let me educate you re finances and war.

Your forex is 13 billion India is 350 billion.

Now this forex will pay for ammo fuel and economic disruption.

Now work out out how long Pakistan cab fight.

Average cost of war per day over one billion per day..

This assumes massive collalteral damage to ports air ports trade destruction ammo and lost equipment.

A war costs serious money and Pakistan his no money

IF ONCE PAK AND CHINA DEVLOP THE ECONOMIC CORIDOR THEN PAK will GENRATE 600 MilliON DOLLER PER DAY INCOME

 

[ghauri05]

My personal opinion is J-31 will be purchased, because other heavy fighters based on Russian fighter and using Russian engines, Russia will not allow sale to Pakistan. Even Chinese efforts to sale J-10 to Pakistan objected by Russia. Currently P.A.F don't have any more interest in J-10 because its performance is equal or inferior to F-16 which P.A.F have in good numbers. We don't have enough funds to support same generation planes of different origins. Till the time when J-31 available for sale.

so we are going to just wait for 8-10 yrs???

 

[al_asad_al_mulk]

so we are going to just wait for 8-10 yrs???

Till then yes P.A.F looking for more used or New F-16 and building up JF-17 Block II in good numbers.

 

[Rocketman]

"when president ZIA-ul-HAq said ” Mr. Rajeev you want to attack Pakistan, do it. But keep in mind after this war World will forget Hilaku Khan and Changees Khan and will remember only Zia-ul-Haq and Rajeev Gandhi. Because this will not be a conventional war but nuclear war. Possibly whole Pakistan might be destroyed in this war but Muslims will still be there, however after destruction of India, Hinduism will be vanished.”

The entire Muslim world has suicidal tendencies. This mental sickness has been in their DNA. They don't value life, but some hypothetical afterlife with 72 virgins. And suppose Pakistan's entire population is destroyed in a war with India, will it make any difference even in Islamic world?? Nobody, absolutely nobody(even in Islamic world) cares about Pakistan. And most of all what will pakistanis achieve by getting themselves and their loved ones killed? Don't you love your family and do something meaningful with your life? Why you people always talk about killing and getting killed?

Its pakistan itself that claims to sacrifice itself for Saudi Arabia. For them you are nothing but cannon fodder. Tell me, do saudis even care for you, because if they do, how many pakistanis have gained citizenship of Saudi Arabia(even after working entire life for building Saudi Arabia)? You can't even get your basic rights in Saudi Arabia and you fight with others for your rights in their own country.

Saudis are nothing but the most racist civilization.

And you pakistanis and most of Indian Muslims remain blind to this fact and I pity you for your thinking and mentality.

 

[majid mehmood]

Hi,

JF 17 is the wrong air craft for the armed forces of Pakistan. Even though it has been inducted with a great fanfare and extremely positive results---this aircraft is a little too small aircraft to do the job right when facing the likes of IAF.

On its own merit---the JF 17---for its size has one of the best overall packages available in the industry---air to air---air to ground and air to sea---.

So---in order to have balance in its air arm---Pakistan will have to purchase multiple other platforms.

We have the F16's and possibly no more F 16's----.

We need a medium strike aircraft---with the likes of a JH7B with aesa---this aircraft is like the tornado---. This aircraft can carry 8-10 anti ship missiles and still can defend itself with BVR missiles as well. In the Growler mode, this aircraft take the potency to fight back the enemy to a new level.

Pakistan also need an air superiority type aircraft----like the J 10B----or the J 11---and then on top of that---Pakistan will be looking forward to a stealth type plane like the J 31.

Pakistan military is missing the strike capability of a Tornado type of aircraft in its arsenal---and for that---PAF has failed to deliver.

The procurement of fighter aircraft needs to be taken away from the Pakistan air force---a 3 member team formed with the decision to buy that is needed.

Basically---PAF CANNOT be TRUSTED to buy the right type of equipment---. Like in the case of Saab aircraft----. Paf wanted all saab aircraft and Musharraf put a stop to it and got 4 or 5 chinese variants to have diversity and lines open in case of sanctions from Sweden.

Musharraf's decision proved to ve correct----the Chinese aircraft are as potent or better than the Swedish.

In a similar manner---Musharraf made the deal to buy 36 J 10's---. He knew in his heart and he knew from his experience that the JF 17 as good as it is in its class with all the paraphernalia---is not the answer to the needs of Pakistan.

Pakistan needed a bigger and a more potent aircraft-----.

Now Paf may have thought otherwise----but if you ook at the history of Paf since 1971----it is mostly of failures---bad decisions---lack of understanding the level of threat---at times total ignorance of issues at hand---at times not sharing the level of imminent threat to the national assets-----.

Which basically leads it be acting more like a person who is acting like someone with least concern rather than one who has the best interest of the Pakistan.

jh 7 could carry alot of ordnance but the radar is worse than klj 7v2
80 km at 5m2
kljv2 145km @ 5m2

tell me do you make engines , body frame or avionicks or wepons of JF-17s
but i know you still dre4am that its gonna be a cakewalk for your PAF ober IAF in an event of war as most of you think like all assets of IAF dont have cpable radar's , EW suits , self protecting jammers or things like chaffs or flairs and wepons on them and PAF will be able to decsimate IAF's 65% strenth on day one

keep dreaming like that in a way its good for us

the kaveri engine project is cancelled

 

[Eagle Claw]

jh 7 could carry alot of ordnance but the radar is worse than klj 7v2
80 km at 5m2
kljv2 145km @ 5m2

You are talking about JH-7A, where as JH-7B is a different beast. If still PAF/PAC/PN not got satisfied with its Radar. It can be replaced by some other capable Radar. And when ever PAF Purchases anything from China, They always do its Western Modernization. Even JF-17 Thunder has Western Components Installed in it.
Here Point is that we know what we need but we are not taking Steps to acquire those things.
People will say about $s, 2 Squadrons of JH-7B and 24-30 Pieces of Su-35 will act as a good Stop Gap for next 12 years atleast. In short we have to go for less Birds, which will cost less and Multiply Capability. JH-7B will approx be 20 Million USD a Piece. Su-35 is bit expensive in this regards but again we don't need it in big numbers. Just 24-30 will do the Job.
Combo of JF-17 Thunder + few F-16s and JH-7A can be used for Deep Strikes.
Where as Su-35 can Ensure Air Superiority over Skies along with other F-16s and Thunders.

 

[GURU DUTT]

jh 7 could carry alot of ordnance but the radar is worse than klj 7v2
80 km at 5m2
kljv2 145km @ 5m2


the kaveri engine project is cancelled

no kaveri engine programme was never cancelled and it will keep evolving and more effort and money will get pumped in till the day we meet owr requirements

even there are three spinoffs from kaveri engine which are used in many diffrent projects as we speak and kaveri has two programmes running K9 & K10 google it

 

[Pindi Boy]

A simple and summarised answer by Air Marshal (R) Mirza Zafar ( Former f-16 Project manager ) " How can we Face IAF ?"
For all the guys here who are worried about IAF's capabilities.
Agreed? He satisfied me at some extents.

 

[Chanakyaa]

A simple and summarised answer by Air Marshal (R) Mirza Zafar ( Former f-16 Project manager ) " How can we Face IAF ?"
For all the guys here who are worried about IAF's capabilities.
Agreed? He satisfied me at some extents.View attachment 247609

I agree with Zafar Saab.
The Only Irony being That "Professionals & Military Planners" exist on BOTH Sides ( as they did in 1999 and 1971 )

PS : a Thoughtful Scenario is, can an Ordinary India feel safe with such a statement in context to China ? A BIG BIG BIG > NO. This is no longer 1971.

 

[!eon]

Are you satisfied with answer of Mr. Zafar ?

A simple and summarised answer by Air Marshal (R) Mirza Zafar ( Former f-16 Project manager ) " How can we Face IAF ?"
For all the guys here who are worried about IAF's capabilities.
Agreed? He satisfied me at some extents.View attachment 247609

 

[OTTOMAN]

Are you satisfied with answer of Mr. Zafar ?

Wilkommen Zurück dude... keep-up the good work.

 

[Eagle Claw]

A simple and summarised answer by Air Marshal (R) Mirza Zafar ( Former f-16 Project manager ) " How can we Face IAF ?"
For all the guys here who are worried about IAF's capabilities.
Agreed? He satisfied me at some extents.View attachment 247609

Well his statement doesn't clarifies anything. Useless Post to share in this discussion.

 

[Mitro]

Let CPEC become reality you will get everything you ask for
Heavy fighter are coming too
Jf-17 is a gap filler and to replace old and absolute fighter which are 2-3 generation technology.

What ever the planner or designer of jf-17 planned it has exceeded in everything.

Imagine 250 planes with 4.5 generations of goodies and very cheap and easy to maintain can do to enemy moral when they are spending billions of dollar to replace their old horses.

PAF only going to invest in J-31 when it matures and you will see in 3-5 years in PAF colors

I have seen most of Pakistani interested in heavy weight fighter for anti ship role when if jf-17 specialized configuration can do the job and we are looking 500 to 600 miles radius.

Technology is evolving so fast and a platform like Jf-17 can do wonder when u have complete access to it source code and it is modular .

BVR fired from su 30 mki or F16 or jf 17 is going to do the same job it will be easy for sd10 or amraam to locate su30mki because of it huge rcs