JF-17 "Extremely close" to the MIG-29: Mikhail Pogosyan

[Moscow]

when u show a child a nestle chocobar as a prize for an achievement and then ask to manage with a local lolly then what happens is discontent and mistrust
the world has seen the F-11 the f-35 the T-50 many nations cannot afford these yet they hope they dream that one day they might have their hands on them like many here including me that one day will get to fly a jet but alas these are wet dreams reality is whats happening

which single country has cut the mig/sukhoi deal and went for chinese versions see the burma deal if china can reduce the price so can mig the burma migs were sold at very low prices to kill the j-10 competition
what might happen is a distant dream .

world might end in 2012 or even 2011 so why talk about what MIGHT happen because a 10000 odd things can happen in next 1 month so ..................

 

[WAQAS119]

Affordability is being touted as an element in the seeming popularity of the JFT - but it's just that, an, as in a single, element in the populariuy of the JFT

During Saab Group's Press Coference in Farnborough Airshow, a journalist asked question from Saab authorities that CATIC and PAC are offereing same capabilities of Gripen in JFT at much lower cost, then how saab can justify Gripens cost. They were speech less.

 

[muse]

As I see from some Indian forum members, they seem to lose their minds, their ability to reason, when they converse with pakistani forum members - Is affordability, is cost effectiveness of a weapon platform a good thing? or is it a bad thing?

If it is a bad thing, then Indians forum members should come out and say so - and if it's a good thing, what EXACTLY, is the problem with suggesting that, yes, it is a good thing - after all, not everybody inthe rich is as our Indian friends.

 

[TaimiKhan]

Two things that makes JF-17 popular is cheap and poor African countries can afford it. Beside that in avionics,Radar and packages like Zukh-AE, Zukh-ME sends shivers down the western airforce pilot's spine. If people really knew anything about fighters. We wouldn't have fanboys

Strange, if such a package would have send shivers down the spines, why wasn't Mig-35 never considered a real candidate for the IAF MRCA, even though it would have contained the splendid Zhuk Phuk or whatever.

Livefist - The Best of Indian Defence: MMRCA BUZZ: MiG-35 Was Never In The Running?

And its not about just costs, low cost is just one factor for the attractiveness of JF-17.

Well won't waste much of your precious time in arguing about other factors, as from Indian perspective, JF-17 is crap, so once people are with that mindset, no matter what you tell them and show them, their perception won't change.

 

[Goodperson]

As I see from some Indian forum members, they seem to lose their minds, their ability to reason, when they converse with pakistani forum members - Is affordability, is cost effectiveness of a weapon platform a good thing? or is it a bad thing?

If it is a bad thing, then Indians forum members should come out and say so - and if it's a good thing, what EXACTLY, is the problem with suggesting that, yes, it is a good thing - after all, not everybody inthe rich is as our Indian friends.

Its a no brainer How can JF17 be better than Mig 29 ? Why forget JF17 flies on Mig-29's engine that's Manufactured in Russia?

 

[Hulk]

I see regular use of words Indians, so does the forum allows other generalization like Pakistani's to be used when we are discussing Indian topics, as I understand the role gets reversed.

 

[muse]

How can JF17 be better than Mig 29 ?

An excellent example of the suggestion that the Indian just cannot get his head around the idea --

Can it be that for persepective clients the JF17 offer a bigger bang for the buck, so to speak? It offers pretty much the same capability as it's competition, is more affordable and may enable clients to not just meet threats but enable the Air forces to make a quantum leap in terms of the kinds of airmen it would need to produce , the kind of pilots it might need to produce, the of air force it would have to become.

But these ar enot questions our Indians can fathom or explore - they are just left incredulous that all of their assumption turned out to be lame - turned out to be IDEOLOGY, and not reality.

 

[notorious_eagle]

Its a no brainer How can JF17 be better than Mig 29 ? Why forget JF17 flies on Mig-29's engine that's Manufactured in Russia?

Just because the JF17 uses the same engine as the Mig 29, does it automatically make the Mig superior to the JF17 . What about sensors, radar, avionics, agility, maneuverability and weapons system. Also FYI; the JF17 does not uses the basic RD93 engine, it uses the upgraded version of that engine which enables it to reach a TWR of 1.1. If you would like to know more about the capabilites of JF17, feel free to go through the JF17 thread. Its better to research and make an informed statement instead of feeding horse sh**.

 

[alibaz]

Just because the JF17 uses the same engine as the Mig 29, does it automatically make the Mig superior to the JF17 .

Because JF-17 uses only one and MiG-29 uses two of those

 

[Goodperson]

Just because the JF17 uses the same engine as the Mig 29, does it automatically make the Mig superior to the JF17 . What about sensors, radar, avionics, agility, maneuverability and weapons system. Also FYI; the JF17 does not uses the basic RD93 engine, it uses the upgraded version of that engine which enables it to reach a TWR of 1.1. If you would like to know more about the capabilites of JF17, feel free to go through the JF17 thread. Its better to research and make an informed statement instead of feeding horse sh**.

This is ridiculous Mig 29 is twin engine aircraft. It will be unwise to compare these two aircraft's. But if said so, jf-17 is single engine aircraft therefore, the payload it will take will be much less. The other thing is that its thrust/weight ratio will directly depend upon the engine it carries. Currently it is said that the engine of JF-17 will be RD-93 which is used as one of the two engines in Mig-29 so in principle JF-17 should have atleast half the weight of MiG-29. JF-17 will be primarily used as air superiority aircraft on the other hand MiG-29 is a multi-role aircraft. The main advantages JF-17 will have over MiG-29 is the low maintenance cost and new airframe with composite materials that's all.

 

[muse]

Now watch them go into google overdrive

 

[Goodperson]

Now watch them go into google overdrive

Pls Speak facts .

 

[Chandler]

Now watch them go into google overdrive

Since, a lot of us here are newbies, what other way to learn than Search on Google, Read up on the relevant Topics, and Use our Intellect to discern the facts from the fabrications.

And by the way, you being a "Think Tank" should at least give us Indians some credit, that we would not like to believe things blindly, but would like to make up our own minds with the facts presented before us rather than "herding off" behind men with a mouthpiece.

 

[humanfirst]

A lot of countries have shown interest in jf17 with some confirmed orders.If there was no jf17 these countries would surely have gone for russian fighters and not for eurofighter or rafael.In the context of "value for money",i think jf17 and j10 are the only fighters able to compete with migs.

 

[REHAN NIAZI FALCON]

i think ws-13 can also prove it self very suitable , also we should look for enging with greater thrust and tvc and some other advance potentials . for avionics galieo is very renowned....