JF-17 (2P29) arrives in Pakistan

[Sine Nomine]

Which would be?

The basic issue is where the pods would go and the associated weight penalty. A pod is still something hanging off the aircraft and is a source of drag.

Sir,I beg you to Ans this Question.
What penalties drop tanks carried by JFT on any mission would have on it's mission,like drag,hardpoint consumption and maneuvers and what will be effect on performance if fuel is accommodated in dorsel spine like mig-21 bis.
@Bilal Khan 777

 

[khanasifm]

Not sure what is the basis of this statement ?
"But for that u need powerful engine r use of composite should be more than 50%."

Source: https://defence.pk/threads/jf-17-2p29-arrives-in-pakistan.435549/page-13#ixzz4JyS7a3da

May be someone who had experienced on F16 and Gripen

If you can modify F104 of 1950s you can JF-17 of 2000s, as long as there is no negative performance impact

@3:30

 

[syed_yusuf]

I started to believe that Pakistan missed JFT requirements to have air intake hard points

 

[Bilal Khan 777]

Not sure what is the basis of this statement ?
"But for that u need powerful engine r use of composite should be more than 50%."

Source: https://defence.pk/threads/jf-17-2p29-arrives-in-pakistan.435549/page-13#ixzz4JyS7a3da
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May be someone who had experienced on F16 and Gripen

If you can modify F104 of 1950s you can JF-17 of 2000s, as long as there is no negative performance impact

@3:30

The f104 you have shown here never took off. Even if it, it will have to come back and land after 15 minutes, take this from a star fighter pilot.

 

[Knight Rider]

superior load carrying capability, increased weapon stations

So what is the Load Capacity of JF-17 is now?
and where did they add new Weapon stations? on the Wings or under the Belly??

Then it will look more like a F-15 AND FA-18.
F-15E load-out :-

F\A-18 Load-out :-

 

[Viper0011.]

Not sure what is the basis of this statement ?
"But for that u need powerful engine r use of composite should be more than 50%."

https://defence.pk/threads/jf-17-2p29-arrives-in-pakistan.435549/page-13#ixzz4JyS7a3da
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This may be a demo-static display, with strengthened air-frame using heavy metals. The F-104 was a high speed, lower drag super sonic interceptor designed to carry very little ammo and additional fuel. Its main initial purpose was to chase after the Mig-25's with high velocity.

The picture above makes me 99 % positive that it won't fly with this much air to ground stuff on it. Its structural integrity would seriously get compromised upon one flight, let alone if it comes back in one solid piece, specially if the pilot decides to use it for its intended purpose, meaning at high velocity!!

 

[Knight Rider]

JF-17 Original Load-out:-
You can see 2 long range missiles (BVR), 2 Short range missiles (WVR) with 2 ASHM's and 1 Fuel tank.

Why not make Dual Engine JF-17 for more payload ?

@Oscar @Windjammer @Basel @Horus @Zarvan @Arsalan @WAJsal

 

[Deino]

Guys ... can we stay on topic please ???

This is related to the no. 229 in Pakistan and not on if or where the JF-17 should or could carry more pylons.

Thank You.

Deino

 

[Basel]

JF-17 Original Load-out:-
You can see 2 long range missiles (BVR), 2 Short range missiles (WVR) with 2 ASHM's and 1 Fuel tank.

Why not make Dual Engine JF-17 for more payload ?

@Oscar @Windjammer @Basel @Horus @Zarvan @Arsalan @WAJsal

2 engines will make it totally new bird, means starting project from point A again.

Edit:

@Windjammer @Bilal Khan 777

PAF should upgrade airframe to allow CAP with:

(1) 2 WVR on wing tips, and 8 BVRs using dual REK allowing 4 BVRs under each wing with Center line fuel tank

OR


(2) 2 BVR on wing tips, and 4 BVRs using dual REK (2 under each wing inner hard point) and 4 WVR using dual REK (2 under each wing outer hard point)

 

[ZAHID HAMEED]

As you can see it has two engines n it can bear that load n can attain 1.8 Mach. So u need a very powerful engine r reduce the wait to attain at least 1.4 to 1.3 Mach because right now without weapon load JFT attain 1.6. So I need a very powerful engine to attain that.

 

[Jaga Badmash]

@Bilal Khan 777
I find this picture on net Which mentioned with reference to Allen Warns that JF-17 block III will be equipped with AESA radar. What you say about that.

This Block 2 JF-17, with its KLJ-7 airborne pulse doppler fire-control radar visible, was one of the few units on the production line at PAC Kamra on 19 February. The Block 3 version, now being developed, will accommodate a new AESA radar. (Alan Warnes)

 

[Muhammad Omar]

@Bilal Khan 777
I find this picture on net Which mentioned with reference to Allen Warns that JF-17 block III will be equipped with AESA radar. What you say about that.

This Block 2 JF-17, with its KLJ-7 airborne pulse doppler fire-control radar visible, was one of the few units on the production line at PAC Kamra on 19 February. The Block 3 version, now being developed, will accommodate a new AESA radar. (Alan Warnes)

There was news that PAF is looking for Selex Raven AESA Radar for JF-17 but nothing confirmed yet

 

[Bilal Khan 777]

@Bilal Khan 777
I find this picture on net Which mentioned with reference to Allen Warns that JF-17 block III will be equipped with AESA radar. What you say about that.

This Block 2 JF-17, with its KLJ-7 airborne pulse doppler fire-control radar visible, was one of the few units on the production line at PAC Kamra on 19 February. The Block 3 version, now being developed, will accommodate a new AESA radar. (Alan Warnes)

This is a KLJ7 radar, that is manufactured in KARF (Now called APF). PAF is in the market looking for an AESA development to fit the bird for block three production.

 

[Jaga Badmash]

There was news that PAF is looking for Selex Raven AESA Radar for JF-17 but nothing confirmed yet

I don't think so Grippen allow this since JF-17 is clearly challenging Grippen's market and only edge is AESA radar and I believe they will never allow this happen.

 

[Rafael]

JF-17 Original Load-out:-
You can see 2 long range missiles (BVR), 2 Short range missiles (WVR) with 2 ASHM's and 1 Fuel tank.

Why not make Dual Engine JF-17 for more payload ?

@Oscar @Windjammer @Basel @Horus @Zarvan @Arsalan @WAJsal

My question is for how long the JF-17 in this configuration can patrol the seas? Should be minimum 1.30 hrs or so.