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Jayalalithaa, 'Amma' To Millions, Dies At 68

Are you now telling us that Rishi Veda Vyas wrote the Vedas ? :cheesy:



I don't have time to waste on your lunatic claims and educate you.

If you really want to know about Hindu history, read up about them from authentic hindu sources, not western christian sources or marxist versions of history. Don't "invent" history to suite your prejudice and fantasy.

54 Kingdoms fought in the Mahabharata war and Gond tribals lived in the Khandava Vana which was part of the Hastinapur kingdom.

ISRO is seeing your nonsense since many years, so be careful . Time up.

Now Indian nation is aware how many nations have worked together for decades to destroy the Indian Establishment and Indus Valley Civilization.

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^^^ guys this is dead amma thread... stop talking about hinduism..


http://www.hindustantimes.com/tech/...ndia-legion/story-twsVgGxLPrp7zNB1sTGIzK.html

In an interview with The Washington Post on Monday -- through an encrypted instant-messaging software, “Legion” said the group has access to servers like that of Apollo Hospitals and it was unsure about releasing data from those servers because it might cause “chaos” in India.

“Legion wasn’t even interested in ‘political data’ until a few weeks ago. ...the group was in possession of several terabytes of raw data concerning all sorts of ‘interests’ and that within that trove the hackers had identified gigabytes worth of information relating to Indian public figures,” the report quoted the user marked LC from “Legion Crew” as saying.

Cries of 'Amma, Amma' from hundreds of AIADMK supporters rent the air outside Apollo Hospitals where J Jayalalithaa breathed her last after suffering a massive cardiac arrest.
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ISRO is seeing your nonsense since many years, so be careful . Time up.

Now Indian nation is aware how many nations have worked together for decades to destroy the Indian Establishment and Indus Valley Civilization.

WTF did I just read ? :woot:
 
People waiting in a queue to pay tribute to late Tamil Nadu Chief Minister J Jayalalithaa at her burial site, in Chennai on Saturday. UNI PHOTO
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Jayalelitha was the less painful cancer from that blind geriatric idiot Karunanidhi, Though still a political opportunist atleast you'd know what you will get from Jaya

Destabilizing times for TN ? @Nilgiri



Cos Indians are a nation of hero worshippers, From Bollywood actors, Politicians to Cricketers, Never seen any other society so much in awe of public figures

Give it about a year before we can make firm comment. Same goes for demonetisation.

Hope you are well gibbs.
 
Hope you are well gibbs.

Doing good mate, Cheers.. In Lanka these days for xmas.. Unfortunately my Bombay trip got postponed to April.. Trust life is good with you, Cept for getting banned on here.. :lol:

Seasons greetings and a merry Xmas btw
 
Doing good mate, Cheers.. In Lanka these days for xmas.. Unfortunately my Bombay trip got postponed to April.. Trust life is good with you, Cept for getting banned on here.. :lol:

Seasons greetings and a merry Xmas btw

Well I suppose the climate between Oz and SL wont be too different.....very Christmas like :)

Getting banned/unbanned here means nothing to my life. Just enjoy the moments as they come I say. ;)
 
Buried? Isn't she a Hindu?? Why was she buried???
http://www.thehindu.com/news/nation...rate-grave-to-end-drought/article18517235.ece

Tumakuru, May 20, 2017 23:32 IST
Updated: May 20, 2017 23:32 IST

Acting on the advice of an astrologer, villagers of Anekatte in Chikkanayakanahalli taluk of Tumakuru district desecrated a grave and burnt the skeleton in order to “end the drought”. No arrests have been made and no police case registered yet.

A year and a half ago, a 70-year-old man passed away in the village and was buried. He suffered from vitiligo, a condition characterised by patches of skin losing pigment. According to the villagers, they were told by the astrologer that the drought was the result of the man being buried with the skin condition instead of being cremated.

On Wednesday night, they dug up the remains and cremated it. The tahsildar of Chikkanyakanahalli taluk confirmed the incident.
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Actually Hindus aka Aryans of ancient Rig vedic tribes of India give burial since centuries.
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http://www.thehindu.com/society/his...-in-history/article19464223.ece?homepage=true

The banks of Bhavani and Noyyal have retained the flavours of a different era
‘Kongu’ — the very word denotes, in Tamil, freshness, honey, fertility and green. Kongu Nadu is all that. Completely off the tourist trail, the area is rich in history; we have Palaeolithic burial sites along the Bhavani and Noyyal and evidence of a flourishing international trade. It is said that the Togas that Romans wore, went from here. Thagadur in Sangam literature also refers to this region.

Despite its rich history, the region is relatively less-endowed with temples, notwithstanding the important seven dedicated to Siva. For our heritage tour, we chose Pollachi for the grand zamindar palaces and the coconut plantations along the river.

Arisil Kizhar in his poem mentions the cowherds of Kongu Nadu and they continue to be passionate about their native breeds especially the Kangeyam bulls. Traditional poems talk of Kongu Nadu being bordered by the Talaimalai hills in the North, Velliyangiri in the West, Kulitalai in the East and the Palani hills in the South. Owing to its proximity to both Kerala and Karnataka, the region had rulers from both areas.

Till the ninth century, the Cheras were the dominant rulers followed by the Cholas, and the Vijayanagar kings from 1348-1565, when the stunning Taramangalam temple was developed. Tipu ravaged the region in the 17th-18th century after which the British supported the zamindars.

Kongu Nadu and the zamindars help one understand the ancient Velir (local chieftain) system, which prevailed here for much longer than in other parts of Tamil Nadu. Their palaces are not open to public and access is extremely limited but worth the effort because they are not only immaculately maintained but also for the old-world charm and hospitality.

In Kerala style

The sylvan surroundings of Coconut Lagoon were ideal for starting the day. Our first stop was Samathur. The oldest part of the palace is 700 years old. The low tiled roofs had quaint iron pendants in peepul tree leaf shape at regular intervals — unique to this region. The craftsmanship of the doors in Kerala style indicate frequent travel of artisans across the borders. The floors were swept clean with cowdung and perhaps, a hint of turmeric and one did not spot a single fly.

The granaries were large wooden structures with complex opening mechanisms and reminded one of the many references to similar structures in the Sangam poems set in this region. Within the palace were several old family photographs , showing beautiful jewellery, weapons, palanquins and other symbols of royal living. The woodwork in the first floor balconey with elephant carvings added to the old-world splendour.

We had a taste of farm fresh sugarcane juice and a small helping of padhaneer (toddy to which lime is added to stop the fermentation process). Moving on to the Uthukuli estate, we were regaled with the story of how the zamin was founded. In 1235, Lingayyan was born in Vellodu near Erode. He became a chieftain under the Pandya kings. He constructed a canal on the Bhavani before it joins the Cauvery to bring water to the Poonthurai region. The canal was complete with great difficulty by 1282 on the fifth day of the Tamil month of Thai.

The canal weaves in and out to increase the drainage area in the region and remains in use even today, to the amazement of experts. In a supreme act of sacrifice, the chieftain moved away to allow the farmers to use the area. In Uthukuli, he struck water and restarted his life .

We were given a royal welcome at the Agathur Amman templein the temple. It is small but beuatifully planned with many open areas and pillared verandas. Devoid of sculptures except for those of a few ancestors, it gives us an insight into how ancient temples would have looked. A local palm leaf artiste delighted us with his toy-making skills.

A sumptuous lunch at the palace was a traditional spread, including — corn pongal and kollu masiyal. Coconut water and sweets made of lentils were served too. The palace stands out for its Indo-Saracenic architecture , shingled roof and magnificent collection of weapons and old hunting photographs.

Exqusite antiques

We also visited the elegantly designed Shenbaga Vilasam, a part of the Samathur estate, now run as a homestay that is replete with exqusite antiques. We watched a performance by all-male kolattam group. The estate boasts of several native bulls that appeared strong and majestic.

Afternoon, we had planned a trip to Perur, where the temple has the first recorded reference to ‘Koyam Pudur,’ but had to give it a miss due to time constraints.

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http://www.thehindu.com/society/his...-in-history/article19464223.ece?homepage=true

The banks of Bhavani and Noyyal have retained the flavours of a different era
‘Kongu’ — the very word denotes, in Tamil, freshness, honey, fertility and green. Kongu Nadu is all that. Completely off the tourist trail, the area is rich in history; we have Palaeolithic burial sites along the Bhavani and Noyyal and evidence of a flourishing international trade. It is said that the Togas that Romans wore, went from here. Thagadur in Sangam literature also refers to this region.

Despite its rich history, the region is relatively less-endowed with temples, notwithstanding the important seven dedicated to Siva. For our heritage tour, we chose Pollachi for the grand zamindar palaces and the coconut plantations along the river.

Arisil Kizhar in his poem mentions the cowherds of Kongu Nadu and they continue to be passionate about their native breeds especially the Kangeyam bulls. Traditional poems talk of Kongu Nadu being bordered by the Talaimalai hills in the North, Velliyangiri in the West, Kulitalai in the East and the Palani hills in the South. Owing to its proximity to both Kerala and Karnataka, the region had rulers from both areas.

Till the ninth century, the Cheras were the dominant rulers followed by the Cholas, and the Vijayanagar kings from 1348-1565, when the stunning Taramangalam temple was developed. Tipu ravaged the region in the 17th-18th century after which the British supported the zamindars.

Kongu Nadu and the zamindars help one understand the ancient Velir (local chieftain) system, which prevailed here for much longer than in other parts of Tamil Nadu. Their palaces are not open to public and access is extremely limited but worth the effort because they are not only immaculately maintained but also for the old-world charm and hospitality.

In Kerala style

The sylvan surroundings of Coconut Lagoon were ideal for starting the day. Our first stop was Samathur. The oldest part of the palace is 700 years old. The low tiled roofs had quaint iron pendants in peepul tree leaf shape at regular intervals — unique to this region. The craftsmanship of the doors in Kerala style indicate frequent travel of artisans across the borders. The floors were swept clean with cowdung and perhaps, a hint of turmeric and one did not spot a single fly.

The granaries were large wooden structures with complex opening mechanisms and reminded one of the many references to similar structures in the Sangam poems set in this region. Within the palace were several old family photographs , showing beautiful jewellery, weapons, palanquins and other symbols of royal living. The woodwork in the first floor balconey with elephant carvings added to the old-world splendour.

We had a taste of farm fresh sugarcane juice and a small helping of padhaneer (toddy to which lime is added to stop the fermentation process). Moving on to the Uthukuli estate, we were regaled with the story of how the zamin was founded. In 1235, Lingayyan was born in Vellodu near Erode. He became a chieftain under the Pandya kings. He constructed a canal on the Bhavani before it joins the Cauvery to bring water to the Poonthurai region. The canal was complete with great difficulty by 1282 on the fifth day of the Tamil month of Thai.

The canal weaves in and out to increase the drainage area in the region and remains in use even today, to the amazement of experts. In a supreme act of sacrifice, the chieftain moved away to allow the farmers to use the area. In Uthukuli, he struck water and restarted his life .

We were given a royal welcome at the Agathur Amman templein the temple. It is small but beuatifully planned with many open areas and pillared verandas. Devoid of sculptures except for those of a few ancestors, it gives us an insight into how ancient temples would have looked. A local palm leaf artiste delighted us with his toy-making skills.

A sumptuous lunch at the palace was a traditional spread, including — corn pongal and kollu masiyal. Coconut water and sweets made of lentils were served too. The palace stands out for its Indo-Saracenic architecture , shingled roof and magnificent collection of weapons and old hunting photographs.

Exqusite antiques

We also visited the elegantly designed Shenbaga Vilasam, a part of the Samathur estate, now run as a homestay that is replete with exqusite antiques. We watched a performance by all-male kolattam group. The estate boasts of several native bulls that appeared strong and majestic.

Afternoon, we had planned a trip to Perur, where the temple has the first recorded reference to ‘Koyam Pudur,’ but had to give it a miss due to time constraints.

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http://www.thehindu.com/news/nation...kambans-samadhi-sivaganga/article19631198.ece
September 06, 2017 20:12 IST
Updated: September 06, 2017 20:12 IST

Kamban Kazhagam seeks construction of a memorial for the medieval poet
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Kamban Kazhagam, founded by freedom fighter and Tamil scholar ‘Kamban Adipodi’ Sa. Ganesan, has appealed to the State government to take over the samadhi-temple of Kamban, the medieval Tamil poet and author of the Kambaramayana, at Nattarasankottai and renovate it.

Kazhagam secretary Pala. Palaniappan, in letters sent to K. Pandiarajan, Minister for Tamil Official Language and Tamil Culture, and Collector G. Latha said as the samadhi-temple was located in a private garden, the government could take over that part alone and renovate it.

The samadhi-temple had a small tiled-roof structure. The family, which owned the land cooperated with the Kazhagam to celebrate ‘Panguni Hastham’ festival there every year in a grand manner, he said.

The government could build a ‘manimandapam’ for Kamban on the lines of memorials built for poets Subramania Bharathi and Umaru Pulavar at Ettaiyapuram, Ilango Adigal at Poompuhar and Kaniyan Pungunran at Mahipalanpatti in Sivaganga district, Mr. Palaniappan suggested.

The samadhi-temple could also be developed as a tourist destination with better road facility from Nattarasankottai main bazaar.

Sa. Ganesan launched the Kamban movement and started organising Kamban festival in 1940 to propagate the Kambaramayana all over the world. After his demise, he had been organising the festival for the past 34 years, Mr. Palaniappan said.

The festival was celebrated for four days. As Kamban’s date of birth could not be ascertained, Kamban Kazhagam, with the help of an old Tamil song and research studies, fixed the birth anniversary on Panguni Hastham (February 23) in 883 AD, he said.

The Tamil poet was worshipped as a ‘God of wisdom’ and the mud taken from where he was believed to have been buried was revered by a large number of people. The local people smeared the tongues of newborn babies with the mud mixed with milk, he said.
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http://www.thehindu.com/opinion/lea...an-movement/article19694081.ece?homepage=true

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The Dravidian movement’s contribution to keeping India united is not appreciated enough
To have served for 60 consecutive years as a legislator is a rare achievement especially if it is in Tamil Nadu, a large and relatively successful State. Few politicians in India can match this record of Muthuvel Karunanidhi, known as Kalaignar, or artist, to his admirers. When some do come close to it, they possess none of his achievements. He was Chief Minister of Tamil Nadu more than once and played a role on the national stage once coalition governments became a reality. He also has quite a unique significance to which I shall return. How are we to view his legacy?

Karunanidhi’s role
Despite his long presence in Indian politics, Mr. Karunanidhi is really a beneficiary of the Dravidian movement and its vehicle, the political party Dravida Munnetra Kazhagam (DMK). The movement itself had been sculpted by E.V. Ramaswami Naicker and its presence in national politics was cemented by C.N. Annadurai, who led the party in the Lok Sabha. Thus unlike his contemporaries, Mr. Karunanidhi inherited significant political capital. For instance, he did not have to carve out a path for a party, as did E.M.S. Namboodiripad almost a generation before him. Namboodiripad had to first craft the Communist movement in the country and then govern a newly formed State during the high noon of Congress hegemony, the 1950s. In a brief and turbulent tenure, Namboodiripad attempted a move to a distinctly new model economy and society in Kerala, even though subsequent developments may not have conformed to what he had anticipated of them. It is difficult to detect a similar motivation in Mr. Karunanidhi as judged by his actions while in office. Tamil Nadu today may be considered a leading Indian State economically, but most of its achievements in this sphere had been initiated by Congress politicians, notably R. Venkataraman when he was Industries Minister of Madras State.

In fact, Mr. Karunanidhi’s chief ministerial accomplishments may be considered less impressive than that of M.G. Ramachandran or even Jayalalithaa, Chief Ministers who followed him. ‘MGR’ is known for having scaled up to unimagined levels the noon meal scheme started by K. Kamaraj in the fifties, an intervention that has received global attention. Jayalalithaa’s implementation of compulsory rainwater harvesting in Chennai ameliorated the situation in a city that was once the byword for water shortage. It is difficult to ascribe a similar game-changing role to the flyovers in the State capital associated with the Karunanidhi government.

Standing up to Mrs. Gandhi
He does have a unique significance though. He had stood up to Indira Gandhi and dared to oppose the Emergency when few politicians even outside the Congress party had done so. For this he paid a price. His government was dismissed, though on grounds of charges of corruption. It is not entirely surprising that Karunanidhi’s achievements are difficult to detect for it is not clear how he saw himself, whether as an artist or as a politician aiming to improve the condition of his people, an urge evident in Kamaraj and even in ‘MGR’, both politicians much loved by their people. As Mr. Karunanidhi’s own record in office does not stand out when compared to the Chief Ministers who came after him, the occasion of his completing 60 years as legislator is perhaps better utilised reflecting upon the role of the Dravidian movement of which, as we have seen, he is a scion.

Paradoxically, the significance of the Dravidian movement lies in its having played a major role in keeping India together at a crucial juncture. This may appear counter-intuitive given its image as a permanent opposition to the Indian mainstream, but is actually not so. By staunchly opposing the imposition of Hindi on the rest of the country, an end relentlessly pursued by certain sections of the north, the Dravidian movement and its principal heir, the DMK, saved India from going the way of Pakistan or Sri Lanka. Before the former lost its eastern wing, West Pakistan’s conspicuously anglicised establishment had imposed Urdu on their Bengali co-religionists who were unwilling to bear the injustice. In Sri Lanka the Oxford-educated S.W.R.D. Bandaranaike disempowered the Tamil minority through the ‘Sinhala Only Act’, making it the official language of the country. While Sri Lanka remains intact, it has lost some stature in the eyes of the international community due to its suppression of minority rights. India avoided this fate only due to the creative leadership of the Dravidian parties.

That the DMK had only sought cultural autonomy and not secession was made clear in Annadurai’s parliamentary intervention during the Indo-China war in 1962, when he affirmed his State’s unwavering commitment to the Indian Union. This was not reciprocated though, when, at the first opportunity after the death of Nehru, cultural chauvinism was to raise its ugly head and the possibility of Hindi being adopted as the sole official language re-emerged. Riots erupted in Tamil Nadu accompanied by acts of self-immolation. A compromise was arrived at and English was to be retained till such time as the southern States desired it. This remarkably mature arrangement saved Indian democracy. From time to time linguistic chauvinism has been on display from actors as diverse as Mulayam Singh Yadav and Central ministers in the Narendra Modi government, but by and large the principle has been adhered to by the Centre in its dealing with the States. Of course, the other southern States must thank the Tamil leadership for this extraordinary achievement, but so must the rest of India, for it contributed to the country being left in one piece.

It is possible to argue that the Dravidian parties’ love of the Tamil language may have been more steadfast than their commitment to the Tamil people. As already mentioned, it is not obvious they have led the State to exceptional achievements in any sphere. Punjab matches it in agriculture, Karnataka leads it in IT and Maharashtra dominates it in manufacturing. Also, Chennai is no longer the iconic southern city that Madras was when these parties first came to power. Tamil Nadu was among India’s first States to allow private entry into education, leaving it to entrepreneurs, often from the political class itself, who get away with poor-quality service. Over time they have emerged as a vested interest opposing all regulation that curbs their exploitative practices. The State has had no land reforms and populist policies for electricity and water use have led to a plunging of the water table with long-term implications for its agriculture. And, finally, the State pioneered the practice of using the treasury to dole out private goods. This has weakened its public finances and encouraged the politics of clientelism with individual politicians depicted as the fount of welfare. Termed ‘social justice’ by the Dravidian parties, the practice is at odds with the usual understanding of democracy.

The social sphere
Ironically, it is not in the economic sphere but in the social that the Dravidian movement’s legacy is more dubious. While the Keezhvenmani massacre of agricultural labourers attempting to form a union may have taken place at the very beginning of DMK rule, violence against Dalits has not ceased, and even very recently activists have claimed that it has increased. The Dravidian movement may have succeeded in unseating the upper castes in governance but it has actively strengthened the middle castes that form the backbone of the rural economy. In the absence of land reforms, they control the rural economy and with patronage from the state have succeeded in keeping the lower castes in a state of permanent suppression. This is a disappointing denouement for what had started out as an anti-caste movement. Tamil Nadu’s history suggests a difference between loving your identity and nurturing your country. The nationalists in today’s India share a similar predicament.

Pulapre Balakrishnan is Professor, Ashoka University and Senior Fellow, IIM Kozhikode. The views expressed are personal
 
Though Amma Jeyalalithaa did not come from a Tamil Nationalist background like her rival Karunanidhi, she, like her rival, did stand up for Tamil rights many times. She successfully made Modi back down on couple of his unconstitutional Hindi imposition attempts.

She has a special place in the history of Tamil Nadu and a warm place in the hearts of apolitical Tamil Nationalists.
 

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