japans-5th-generation-stealth-fighter-plane-to-take-off-in-february

[Aepsilons]

From 2014-2016 ... it should take off, i wanna see the prototype photo.

Thanks bro, same as I, believe me lots of JASDF fanboys are posting all about this in japan strategic forums, lol. Just hope we can be as successful like China's own impressive 5th gen fighter, the J-20 air superiority fighter system !!

PS. great profile picture of a GREAT leader, Zhou Enlai.

Why stop at the J-20, it will even be superior to the American F-22 and F-35 easily!

Well given that China is catching up rather fast to the United States and in some circumstances have even ecclipsed Russian aerospace technologies, there is no denying that the People's Republic of China is the greatest 'threat' in terms of catching up with America. In that aspect, to quote an American colloquial diction, China is "putting her mouth where her money is". China has grown due to the fact that she has had no abstractist constraints to her rise on all sectors.

Just being objective here and playing devil's advocate instead of always having the "ALLIANCE" perspective.

 

[Blue Marlin]

I must correct this statement; the atd x shinshin is not the actual 'fighter' per se, its merely the training platform from which an eventual product will be strained.

We will , ultimately, aim to design 2 variants of our 5th generation air superiority fighter:

• F3
• F3E

The F3, F3A will ultimately replace our Air Fleet of F-15Js.

ahh. yes the tri padel thrust vertoring paddel which came from the -x-31
Rockwell-MBB X-31 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

dont you think there will be problems in regards too thrust. 2x xf5-1's at 49kn wet!!!! each
how on earth will be able to super cruise with a decent load. no offence here bro, but its power is near to that of the m88 on the rafale and this will be bigger than the rafale.
well thats just me being picky mind you the xf5-1 means it can easily be xf5-2 with power to that of the ej200
http://www.mod.go.jp/trdi/research/gaibuhyouka/pdf/XF5-H21.pdf

i can see the 5th gen market being saturated very quickly.
f-2020 from sweden
atd-x/f-3 from japan
j-31 from china
j20 from china
t-50 from russia/india
amca from india
f-35 from the usa
f-22 from the usa
tfx from turkey
kfx from south korea indoneasia and the usa (lockheed)

as far as i know the following countries are developing 6th gen fighters too.
russia
usa
china-early design stages

now in regards to europe.... well i know dassault is developing a 6th gen ifghter as france is not interested in 5th gen fighters and moving stright to the 6th gen fighters which will replace the rafale. lets face it the f35 is not going to replace the typhoon so i would assume bae systems is probably working on one to. or worse a joint european project.

 

[sohail.ishaque]

IF PAKFA doesnt happen can India go for this ? We know that the Japan's Quality is second to none.

you were saying the same for Russians sometime back

 

[Aepsilons]

as far as i know the following countries are developing 6th gen fighters too.
russia
usa
china-early design stages

The F3E is going to be 6th gen, bro. (or jasdf fanboys will say even limit it as being 5.5 level).

 

[Blue Marlin]

specs
Mitsubishi ATD-X (Shinshin)
Technology Demonstrator / 5th Generation Fighter

Focus Model: Mitsubishi ATD-X (Shinshin)
Country of Origin: Japan
Manufacturer: Mitsubishi Heavy Industries - Japan
Initial Year of Service: 2020
Production Total: 1

Crew: 1

Length: 46.59 ft (14.2 m)
Width: 29.86 ft (9.10 m)
Height: 14.76ft (4.50 m)
Weight (Empty): 19,621 lb (8,900 kg)
Weight (MTOW): 28,660 lb (13,000 kg)

Powerplant: (Possible): 2 x IHI Corp XF5-1 turbofan engines developing 49kn each

[ data gathered from the weight and the thrust ]
Maximum Speed: 1,597 mph (2,570 kmh; 1,388 kts)
Maximum Range: 466 miles (750 km)
Service Ceiling: 50,033 ft (15,250 m; 9.5 miles)
Rate-of-Climb: 45,000 feet-per-minute (13,716 m/min)

The F3E is going to be 6th gen, bro. (or jasdf fanboys will say even limit it as being 5.5 level).

dont you think its a bit early to put letters on somthing thats 15 years away!?

 

[Aepsilons]

ahh. yes the tri padel thrust vertoring paddel which came from the -x-31
Rockwell-MBB X-31 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Definitely, the DCE system was inspired by various systems. Afterall throughout aerospace history and chronology, development of each new system was always inspired by pre-existing systems that were found with limitation (s).

dont you think its a bit early to put letters on somthing thats 15 years away!?

No, of course not. I suppose it was in the works for years before; it was only recently disseminated in media what recently?

ahh. yes the tri padel thrust vertoring paddel which came from the -x-31
Rockwell-MBB X-31 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

dont you think there will be problems in regards too thrust. 2x xf5-1's at 49kn wet!!!! each
how on earth will be able to super cruise with a decent load. no offence here bro, but its power is near to that of the m88 on the rafale and this will be bigger than the rafale.
well thats just me being picky mind you the xf5-1 means it can easily be xf5-2 with power to that of the ej200
http://www.mod.go.jp/trdi/research/gaibuhyouka/pdf/XF5-H21.pdf

i can see the 5th gen market being saturated very quickly.
f-2020 from sweden
atd-x/f-3 from japan
j-31 from china
j20 from china
t-50 from russia/india
amca from india
f-35 from the usa
f-22 from the usa
kfx from south korea indoneasia and the usa (lockheed)

as far as i know the following countries are developing 6th gen fighters too.
russia
usa
china-early design stages

now in regards to europe.... well i know dassault is developing a 6th gen ifghter as france is not interested in 5th gen fighters and moving stright to the 6th gen fighters which will replace the rafale. lets face it the f35 is not going to replace the typhoon so i would assume bae systems is probably working on one to. or worse a joint european project.

Lets not forget the SU-30, also an air superiority fighter with dual engine.

 

[Audio]

Sadly there is truth to this, thanks in part to US restrictive policies in Japan. In fact the restrictive policies America had leveled on Japan is FAR MORE restrictive that what she had leveled on Germany and/or Italy, lol.

OT, but, killed in the 80's due to US pressure.

 

[Blue Marlin]

1.Definitely, the DCE system was inspired by various systems. Afterall throughout aerospace history and chronology, development of each new system was always inspired by pre-existing systems that were found with limitation (s).

2.No, of course not. I suppose it was in the works for years before; it was only recently disseminated in media what recently?

3.Lets not forget the SU-30, also an air superiority fighter with dual engine.

1. well thats true th xf5 is inspiredby the m88 as i said befroe but i dont think i made it clear. this is so as the xf5 has the a similar config to that of the m88. and the f-2 was inspired by test varients of the f16

2. dont you think engineers have better thing to worry aboub then giving it a name? well it is a letter and if you said f-3e that would mean that the f3 varients would be distinguished by letters not numbers or blocks and that there will be 4 5th gen varients where as the fith will be 5.5/6th gen now all we need to do is figure out how many jets will be in each varient.

3. if you going to put a twing engined fighter then you should have put up the typhoon.

 

[Imran Khan]

i am waiting since long time for this day

 

[Silicon0000]

F3 & F3E will be ready in a time when 6th Gen is start appearing in the world so if its 5th Gen than no need to compare it with J20. May be compare it with TF-X or KF-X but not with J-20 or F-22 or F-35.

F-22 is banned because it has some tech which is secretive but it didn't have all its tech secretive. F-35 is already involve many countries. So Japan could have these tech easily. Japan should go for JF-17 route and develop a 5th gen with off the self tech they can easily get and which can also flyable in comparatively short time and then on the basis of their experience go for 6th Gen fighter. Remember if F-22 can't be shared than don't expect US 6th Gen to be shared with any one including Japan.

As far as India is concern they don't have any choice except PAK FA if interested to have 5th Gen before 2020-22. After that their will be many choices start appearing but by that time Chinese 6th Gen fighters prototypes will be preparing for their flight too.

 

[Aepsilons]

3. if you going to put a twing engined fighter then you should have put up the typhoon.

hahahahahaha!

 

[Shotgunner51]

Sadly there is truth to this, thanks in part to US restrictive policies in Japan. In fact the restrictive policies America had leveled on Japan is FAR MORE restrictive that what she had leveled on Germany and/or Italy, lol.

It is as if America does not trust Japan. I don't understand why, really.

But , we have to make due with this reality. Work on what we have, work on even with American 'concern'.

Japanese electronics, E&M components, optics, weapon grade steel, carbon fiber & large CNC machine tools have long been in supply chain of global arms industry for their unique technological-industrial advantages. But yes US will keep Japan (and to a lesser degree Germany) at bay. Trust? Well ... let's discuss geopolitics in another thread! If the US had to use the Plaza Accord to slowdown Japanese expansion, exerting pressure to delay a few weapon programs is just normal play.

So that's why I am very interested in this F3 program. How advanced it could be given all the best tech/industrial resources at hand? How timely the program can proceed considering the US restraining factor?

Let's make this thread sticky for aviation fans!

 

[CCP]

Its funny that some countries saying they developing "5th gen" "stealth" "fighter" but don't even have credible wind tunnels .

We have to give some credit to japanese cartoon makers.

 

[XiaoYaoZi]

The first type of stealth trainer plane of the world.

 

[Aepsilons]

Japanese electronics, E&M components, optics, weapon grade steel, carbon fiber & large CNC machine tools have long been in supply chain of global arms industry for their unique technological-industrial advantages. But yes US will keep Japan (and to a lesser degree Germany) at bay. Trust? Well ... let's discuss geopolitics in another thread! If the US had to use the Plaza Accord to slowdown Japanese expansion, exerting pressure to delay a few weapon programs is just normal play.

So that's why I am very interested in this F3 program. How advanced it could be given all the best tech/industrial resources at hand? How timely the program can proceed considering the US restraining factor?

Let's make this thread sticky for aviation fans!

I agree bro lets start an Aviation threads where we can compare current and developing technologies. In fact I'd encourage @cnleio 's participation since he has a strong command in this as well. Let's do it!!