Japanese MoD denies reports of 2015 first flight for ATD-X prototype

[Aepsilons]

Nice toy, but don't ever think because of this, you can immediately make a SLBM comparable to the Trident II.

Oh My, what makes you think that?

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

They can make this.An ICBM is cakewalk!

A cakewalk?

France has Ariane which is more powerful than any Japanese solid fuel rocket, yet they are still struggling to make a reliable SLBM, even Russia couldn't make a SLBM comparable to the Trident II.

What makes you think that Japan has more expertise of making the ICBM than both France and Russia?

Oh My, what makes you think that?

If the US level of technology is so easily to be achievable anyone, then Uncle Sam wouldn't be your sugar daddy for nearly 70 years.

What makes you think that your country can build the Gerald Ford class supercarrier, Ohio class sub and many other stuffs just in a blink of eyes?

Your country has been left behind for nearly 70 years, and many things have to be started from scratch.

 

[UKBengali]

On topic:

Japan has virtually all the necessary expertise to independently develop the 5th generation fighter.

With the F-2 they proved their capability in both airframe,radar and other general avionics. In fact the Japanese airframe technology was so advanced in the F-2 that the US wanted it!

Engines will be the hardest part but the Japanese do already have low thrust engines in service and upscaling them to a pair of medium-thrust engines required to power the fighter should be doable in the next 10-15 years.

 

[atatwolf]

What classes are you taking this coming semester, bro? Ready and excited ?

For me, yes, excited.

I hope you were able to enjoy your vacation around Turkey ! Did you get to go swimming ?

I'm taking finance classes. Almost finished with my bachelor degree. About my vacation, it was really good. I travelled from Netherlands where I was born and where I'm living atm to Switzerland, Istanbul, couple of other cities and I ended up in the city where my grand parents come from in central Anatolia. Probably I will upload some pics in the Turkish section .

 

[Aepsilons]

If the US level of technology is so easily to be achievable anyone, then Uncle Sam wouldn't be your sugar daddy for nearly 70 years.

LoL, if China's level of ingenuity is so strong and so great, why do your state's hackers constantly attack and undertake intellectual theft of US military and software technology on perpetual basis? LoL!

What makes you think that your country can build the Gerald Ford class supercarrier, Ohio class sub and many other stuffs just in a blink of eyes?

When did we say we wanted to build a Gerald Ford Class Super carrier, or is your imagination on hyper-drive again? When did we talk about Ohio Class Subs? LoL

Your country has been left behind for nearly 70 years, and many things have to be started from scratch.

Sure. That's why there is no need to fear or be concerned about the feeble Japanese Self Defense Force, or the weak and infantile Japanese military industry. So , no need to worry yourself, my dear.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

LoL, if China's level of ingenuity is so strong and so great, why do your state's hackers constantly attack and undertake intellectual theft of US military and software technology on perpetual basis? LoL!

Again the allegation with no basis.

When did we say we wanted to build a Gerald Ford Class Super carrier, or is your imagination on hyper-drive again? When did we talk about Ohio Class Subs? LoL

You once claimed that Japan can build the Nimitz class supercarrier.

Do you know what that means? Except the US, no country on this planet has the expertise to build such behemoth, not even the USSR during their prime.

No doubt you could do that if you have won the WWII.

But you have nearly lost everything after the WWII, thus your military complex industry being either destroyed or controlled by the US.

 

[Aepsilons]

Again the allegation with no basis.

Sure, tell yourself that.


For others that believe the antithesis,

Hackers inside Chinese military steal U.S. corporate trade secrets | CSO Online

Computerworld India News | Chinese Military Hackers Meticulously Targeted US Corporate Secrets | Computerworld.in

Hacking attack in Canada bears signs of Chinese army unit: expert - Business Insider

Chinese Man Accused of Hacking for Defense Data - ABC News

Chinese businessman indicted in Boeing C-17 hacking case - ContraCostaTimes.com

Chinese national charged with hacking US defense contractors | Al Jazeera America

You once claimed that Japan can build the Nimitz class supercarrier.
Do you know what that means? Except the US, no country on this planet has the expertise to build such behemoth, not even the USSR during their prime.
No doubt you could do that if you have won the WWII.
But you lost, thus your military complex industry being either destroyed or controlled by the US.

All diversionary tactics, albeit , i must admit a poor attempt at it. We're discussing about the Mtisubishi MTD-X Shin Shin. Are you purposely going in circles ? You're going off an another tangent, again. LoL.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

Sure, tell yourself that.


For others that believe the antithesis,

Hackers inside Chinese military steal U.S. corporate trade secrets | CSO Online

Computerworld India News | Chinese Military Hackers Meticulously Targeted US Corporate Secrets | Computerworld.in

Hacking attack in Canada bears signs of Chinese army unit: expert - Business Insider

Chinese Man Accused of Hacking for Defense Data - ABC News

Chinese businessman indicted in Boeing C-17 hacking case - ContraCostaTimes.com

Chinese national charged with hacking US defense contractors | Al Jazeera America

China's dehumanization/demonization at its best.

Do you truly believe that the US technology is so easy to steal?

If so, any country with a slightly decent hacking knowledge can become a military superpower.

 

[Aepsilons]

China's dehumanization/demonization at the best.

Do you truly believe that the US technology is so easy to steal?

If so, any country with a slight hacker knowledge can become a military superpower.

The links, clearly, demonstrate that Japan is not the only nation in the world that enjoys and values United States technology. Many of the US's partners such as the UK, Canada, Australia, Israel enjoy this collaboration. Why, even nations that are under US technological and military embargo such as China' even cherishes the US' technological expertise. To the point that it undergoes intellectual theft vis-a-vis hacking and unlawful acquisition of data , software.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

All diversionary tactics, albeit , i must admit a poor attempt at it. We're discussing about the Mtisubishi MTD-X Shin Shin. Are you purposely going in circles ? You're going off an another tangent, again. LoL.

I know this is a harsh reality for you right-wing ultranationalists to swallow.

But the fact remains there, the US has made Japan a crippled man after the WWII.

They make sure that you can still walk, but not walking independently without them.

 

[Europa]

note only the p-5 members of unsc have operational slbms and particularly of intercontinental range

1. china, j l -2, range 12,000 - 14,000 kms (dev. since 1986
2. us, trident 2, range 7,840 - 11,300 kms (dev. since 1979
3. russia, bulava, range 10,000 kms ( deployed 2013
sineva, range 11,547 kms ( deployed 2007
4. uk, trident 2, range 7,840 - 11,300 kms (dev. since 1983
5. france, m51, range, 8,000 - 10,000 kms (dev. since 2006

after a number of tests, came success to china

@Nihonjin1051

developing slbm is no joke, china's membership to p-5 did not come through begging, it wasn't anyone's mercy, china proved itself worthy of being a p-5, and us never dared touch china in the past decades for a reason, i think, you have less idea of post ww2 china's military might and you also don't know how powerless you are

 

[Zero_wing]

We didn't underestimate them, but it is only that they are always overestimating themselves.

Oh please imperial dont us that china has no real military advantage over Japan in terms of the 21st century you guys are lacking in terms of technology and experience while Japan has superrior training and technology the only advantage you have is men power which in this time line amounts to a lot of dead soldiers and no win and your nukes but i dont think the maoist party is not stupid enough to risk a nuke war that can kill the whole Human race over anything but then again you guys could be but any how so save your threats maybe on smaller countries yes sure but Japan and the rest oh please you people will not last the first months of the war heck the whole free world will cut you off even before china can make any head way not even your so called spot on the Security council can help you on that.

 

[Aepsilons]

I know this is a harsh reality for you right-wing ultranationalists to swallow.

But the fact remains there, the US has made Japan a crippled man after the WWII.

They make sure that you can still walk, but not walking independently without them.

Actually, I must counter that erroneous post.

I actually welcome the United States' and the United States' victory. Why? Because the United States, by point of gun, introduced the concept of a liberal democracy to Japan, introduced the concept of responsibility in civil government, the humbling of the military government of the past was necessary to allow democratic principles to take root.

Let us observe the dichotomy of Japan of the past to the Japan of the present, shall we? Japan of the past was an Imperialist entity, allied with the Fascist Governments of Europe: Nazi Germany and Fascist Italy. Imperial Japan had hegemonic designs to rule over the whole as Asia as the Supreme Race, and all others below as subservient slaves to the Land of the Rising Sun.

The United States, Thank God, defeated that old entity. United States , by point of gun, subdued the military spirit of Japan, and allowed the innate elements of the nation to allow the growth of democracy, human rights, and innovation for peace and technological expertise.

Unlike the Right Wingers of Japan, I, as a diehard Japanese Nationalist, and a believer in Democracy, am happy that the Japanese Empire and its Military Government was unconditionally defeated. That led to the rise of a Liberal and Democratic Japan, centered on the Rule of Law, Human Rights, and not on a blind, destructive, imperialistic design that characterized the past.

It is almost ironic, really, how the Americans (truly) were the ones that were the catalyst of our nation to undergo rapid and dramatic change.

It was America, through the auspice of Commodore Matthew C Perry, who obliged Japan to open to the West, and subsequently inspired Japan to modernize like the West, to throw the shackles of the old and to yearn for the new. To be welcomed into the modern concept of the family of nations. It was also America , through the Allied Victory, that made Japan realize the errors of our Imperialist designs under the Fascist Governments of Tojo et al. It was America that induced the equilibrium in a Constitutional Monarchy, with little to no military influence on the Government's policy -- as what had happened in the past.

The defeat of the Japanese Empire to the United States led to the birth of the Democratic Japan.

developing slbm is no joke, china's membership to p-5 did not come through begging, it wasn't anyone's mercy, china proved itself worthy of being a p-5, and us never dared touch china in the past decades for a reason, i think, you have less idea of post ww2 china's military might and you also don't know how powerless you are

I simply never brought to the fore any discussion of SLBM technology. That was Chinese-Tiger who initiated that discussion. The discussion was not on nuclear technology. Thanks for your input tho.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

note only the p-5 members of unsc have operational slbms and particularly of intercontinental range

1. china, j l -2, range 12,000 - 14,000 kms (dev. since 1986
2. us, trident 2, range 7,840 - 11,300 kms (dev. since 1979
3. russia, bulava, range 10,000 kms ( deployed 2013
sineva, range 11,547 kms ( deployed 2007
4. uk, trident 2, range 7,840 - 11,300 kms (dev. since 1983
5. france, m51, range, 8,000 - 10,000 kms (dev. since 2006

after a number of tests, came success to china

@Nihonjin1051

developing slbm is no joke, china's membership to p-5 did not come through begging, it wasn't anyone's mercy, china proved itself worthy of being a p-5, and us never dared touch china in the past decades for a reason, i think, you have less idea of post ww2 china's military might and you also don't know how powerless you are

JL-1 was our first generation SLBM, and it was only 3000-4000km max, which was not enough to deter against the US.

JL-1 has experienced a number of failed tests in the 1980s, and it was not deployed until the 1990s.

JL-2 is our Trident II equivalent, and it was deployed in 2013.

I think JL-2 is better than Bulava, but Russia still has Skiff and Sineva as the backup, so basically we are tied with Russia in term of SLBM, and ahead of both France and UK.

The US with 14 Ohio class subs with 24 Trident II missiles for each boat, so their naval deterrence is still ahead of China and Russia combined.

 

[Europa]

It was America, through the auspice of Commodore Matthew C Perry, who obliged Japan to open to the West, and subsequently inspired Japan to modernize like the West, to throw the shackles of the old and to yearn for the new. To be welcomed into the modern concept of the family of nations. It was also America , through the Allied Victory, that made Japan realize the errors of our Imperialist designs under the Fascist Governments of Tojo et al. It was America that induced the equilibrium in a Constitutional Monarchy, with little to no military influence on the Government's policy -- as what had happened in the past.

The defeat of the Japanese Empire to the United States led to the birth of the Democratic Japan.

... and ironical it may sound, it also was the usa which didn't recognize japanese as racially equal to them in the league of nations

Racial Equality Proposal - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

btw, your romeo-juliet love story with usa brings tears to my eyes

I simply never brought to the fore any discussion of SLBM technology. That was Chinese-Tiger who initiated that discussion. The discussion was not on nuclear technology. Thanks for your input tho.

welcome