Japanese MoD denies reports of 2015 first flight for ATD-X prototype

[tranquilium]

Don't underestimate the Japanese

Well, if you don't have the infrastructure, don't have the experience and don't have the technology, I think ""couldn't do it" is a pretty safe assumption. Look, as far as combat aircraft design goes, Japan is pretty much at the same level at India. (Maybe a bit ahead since F-2 has entered the service.)

 

[gslv mk3]

Well, if you don't have the infrastructure, don't have the experience and don't have the technology, I think ""couldn't do it" is a pretty safe assumption. Look, as far as combat aircraft design goes, Japan is pretty much at the same level at India. (Maybe a bit ahead since F-2 has entered the service.)

You are contradicting yourself.You say they doesn't have infrastructure, experience or the technology,then you are saying that they have their own 4th gen fighter in service ?

 

[Aepsilons]

You are contradicting yourself.You say they doesn't have infrastructure, experience or the technology,then you are saying that they have their own 4th gen fighter in service ?

What do you expect from a Japan detractor ?

 

[tranquilium]

You are contradicting yourself.You say they doesn't have infrastructure, experience or the technology,then you are saying that they have their own 4th gen fighter in service ?

What do you expect from a Japan detractor ?

I do remember I distinctly said that F-2 is Japanese assembled and made from American parts. ATD-X supposed to be indigenous designed. Hence no infrastructure to test the aerodynamics, no experience in designing indigenous jet fighters and missing vital technology.

 

[Echo_419]

Well, if you don't have the infrastructure, don't have the experience and don't have the technology, I think ""couldn't do it" is a pretty safe assumption. Look, as far as combat aircraft design goes, Japan is pretty much at the same level at India. (Maybe a bit ahead since F-2 has entered the service.)

You really think they were able to build world's largest Amphibious Aircraft & C-1 without the required Infra in place

We didn't underestimate them, but it is only that they are always overestimating themselves.

You really think they were able to build world's largest Amphibious Aircraft & C-1 without the required Infra in place

 

[tranquilium]

You really think they were able to build world's largest Amphibious Aircraft & C-1 without the required Infra in place


You really think they were able to build world's largest Amphibious Aircraft & C-1 without the required Infra in place

Well, unless Japan secretly have a large scale wind tunnel that no one knows, yes, I do believe it doesn't have the necessary infrastructure.

 

[Echo_419]

Well, unless Japan secretly have a large scale wind tunnel that no one knows, yes, I do believe it doesn't have the necessary infrastructure.

Ok,you tell me why can't they build Aircraft when they can build these

& they build a lot of parts for F-2

 

[tranquilium]

Ok,you tell me why can't they build Aircraft when they can build these

& they build a lot of parts for F-2

I never said Japan couldn't build aircrafts. I said Japan doesn't have the expertise to independently design a 5th generation jet fighter, which ATD-X is supposed to be.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

You really think they were able to build world's largest Amphibious Aircraft & C-1 without the required Infra in place

The American technology with the Japanese assembly.

 

[gslv mk3]

I do remember I distinctly said that F-2 is Japanese assembled and made from American parts. ATD-X supposed to be indigenous designed. Hence no infrastructure to test the aerodynamics, no experience in designing indigenous jet fighters and missing vital technology.

F 2 isn't the F 16.They already have AESA radars and Indigenous engines in service.

Who told you they haven't enough infra ?

The American technology with the Japanese assembly.

Don't talk rubbish!

 

[Echo_419]

The American technology with the Japanese assembly.

Ok let's call it that

 

[tranquilium]

F 2 isn't the F 16.They already have AESA radars and Indigenous engines in service.

Who told you they haven't enough infra ?

Don't talk rubbish!

Ok let's call it that

Nope, F2's engine is made by general electric, which is a American company.

Wikipedia actually has a pretty good read:
General Electric (engine), Kawasaki, Honeywell, Raytheon, NEC, Hazeltine, and Kokusai Electric are among the other larger participants to varying degrees. Lockheed Martin supplies the aft fuselage, leading-edge slats, stores management system, a large portion of wing boxes (as part of two-way technology transfer agreements), and other components. Kawasaki builds the midsection of the fuselage, as well as the doors to the main wheel and the engine, while forward fuselage and wings are built by Mitsubishi. Avionics are supplied by Lockheed Martin, and the digital fly-by-wire system has been jointly developed by Japan Aviation Electric and Honeywell (formerly Allied Signal). Contractors for communication systems and IFF interrogators include Raytheon, NEC, Hazeltine, and Kokusai Electric. Final assembly is done in Japan, by MHI at its Komaki-South facility in Nagoya.

Mitsubishi F-2 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Pretty much all the important bits are built by Americans. Not to mention the whole F-2 design is based on F-16 in the first place.

Why are you under the impression that Japan could build state of the art jet fighter engines? That's one of the crown jewels of modern industry. Very few countries could do it. Heck, if EU is counted as one nation, then the number of entities that could do it can be counted in one hand and with a finger to spare.

 

[gslv mk3]

Nope, F2's engine is made by general electric, which is a American company.

I am not talking about engines on F 2,but low bypass turbofans on trainers as well as high bypass ones on maritime patrol aircraft.

Pretty much all the important bits are built by Americans

Re read your own post.

Ok let's call it that

And some people have dwarf MD 80s with antonov designed wings for regional jet..

 

[atatwolf]

Don't underestimate the Japanese

Let them

 

[Aepsilons]

I raise my cup of tea to the noble gents such as @gslv mk3 and @Echo_419 !