Japan, Philippines to Combat China’s Assertive Stance at Sea

[NiceGuy]

Still far away from China..
BTW, you are from south or north of VN?

I was born in the North , and moved to the South 10 years ago.

 

[Shishike]

Not only unarmed but also second-hand ships - I am not sure if Cutters are made to perform the role of Frigates. We are considering to buy newly built warships from other countries because we can't rely on America on that matter but we are not sure who would make new ships. The other alternative is for us to make our own ships but with foreign assistant, particularly on weapons, radar and propulsion.

Can Phil afford brand new gears? srsly, your gov doesn't have a good name in the world.

 

[hans]

low cost furniture is not major China export goods..
China are exporting cars, machines, high tech stuffs.
For the furniture, I think China import a lot from VN..
Because VN has a lot of woods..

U just like a frog in the well, we've beaten u in this market for 10 years already.

 

[NiceGuy]

low cost furniture is not major China export goods..
China are exporting cars, machines, high tech stuffs.
For the furniture, I think China import a lot from VN..
Because VN has a lot of woods..

Right, we r wood exporter coz we have the right to log wood from Laos-Camb and China import lots of wood from VN, too.

For the high tech stuff, just wait and see what will happen when more high tech companies r shifting from China to VN. Seem like we will able to make high quality machines in the future with JP-SK-US's help.

 

[sweetgrape]

I was born in the North , and moved to the South 10 years ago.

Can you tell me, how old are you? I am very interested in that.

 

[gambit]

Decades will pass before a true opponent will show up before you, we will see how the world economy works.

Why no one was/is alarmed enough to build a peer navy to the USN ? Because despite any hard feelings these countries may have for the US, countries the world over know that the presence of the USN, particularly a carrier fleet, is a good thing for any troubled region. You may not like US as the self appointed "world's policeman" but you sure are damn glad that we are there when there are problems in your backyard. I do not mean 'you' as in China. So in a manner of perspective, the USN is the world's navy.

So who is/are going to spend vital national resources just to try to be a peer to the USN ? Of all the major powers in the world, only Russia and China will attempt and not likely the Russians, not even in our great grandchildren's lifetime. That leave China as the most likely aspirant challenger to the USN.

I said 'aspirant'...

(of a person) having ambitions to achieve something, typically to follow a particular career.

Ambition is not a guarantor of success. The driver, may be, but not guarantor. People casually say 'decades' as if time is on China's side that the PLAN, or whoever is the designated successor, will be a peer to the USN, and that the US and her navy will remain static for China's benefits. But the reality is that even if the American economy grows half as much as China's over the next hundred yrs, a wildly optimistic projection for China, the USN will continue to maintain a decisive technological edge over the PLAN in that hundred yrs time span.

If in 'a true opponent' you mean the POSSIBILITY of anyone else besides China, you are engaging in wishful thinking. By the time the PLAN's sailors mastered carrier fleet operations, not just in training, but in deployment to any part of the world under any sea condition to face uncertain challenges that taxes their intellect, endurance in terms of human and hardware, stresses of environmental and political natures, and return to home ports, the USN will have relegated the aircraft carrier to secondary threat status.

Despite being Air Force, I am willing to go on a limb and say that no 'true opponent' will rise to be a peer to the USN for at least one hundred yrs. An opponent to the USN implies that there are enough countries in the world hostile to the US that many of them will attempt to have their navies be a peer to the USN. Are you seeing that today, not just in terms of ideological/political differences but couple them with sufficient national resources to do so ? No, there are none, and believe it or not, no one want to. No one is throwing up his hands and give up. They do not believe an American President is going to wake up one day, throw a dart at the world map, and send a USN carrier fleet to that country's shore and invade for oil and women. No one throw up his hands and give up because they believe the USN is the world's navy, just like no one is going to petition for an alternative police force when the current shire-reeve is doing just fine.

But look at the alarm the PLAN's modernization and aggressive behaviors raises among China's neighbors today.

 

[hans]

They are not going to help you building your own high tech stuff.
They will want you to buy from them.
China can produce a lot of stuffs of China own, not relying on these countries.
That is the difference.

Right, we r wood exporter coz we have the right to log wood from Laos-Camb and China import lots of wood from VN, too.

For the high tech stuff, just wait and see what will happen when more high tech companies r shifting from China to VN. Seem like we will able to make high quality machines in the future with JP-SK-US's help.

I think China welcomes the presence of USN in all other part of world, except in East China sea and south China sea...

Why no one was/is alarmed enough to build a peer navy to the USN ? Because despite any hard feelings these countries may have for the US, countries the world over know that the presence of the USN, particularly a carrier fleet, is a good thing for any troubled region. You may not like US as the self appointed "world's policeman" but you sure are damn glad that we are there when there are problems in your backyard. I do not mean 'you' as in China. So in a manner of perspective, the USN is the world's navy.

So who is/are going to spend vital national resources just to try to be a peer to the USN ? Of all the major powers in the world, only Russia and China will attempt and not likely the Russians, not even in our great grandchildren's lifetime. That leave China as the most likely aspirant challenger to the USN.

I said 'aspirant'...

(of a person) having ambitions to achieve something, typically to follow a particular career.

Ambition is not a guarantor of success. The driver, may be, but not guarantor. People casually say 'decades' as if time is on China's side that the PLAN, or whoever is the designated successor, will be a peer to the USN, and that the US and her navy will remain static for China's benefits. But the reality is that even if the American economy grows half as much as China's over the next hundred yrs, a wildly optimistic projection for China, the USN will continue to maintain a decisive technological edge over the PLAN in that hundred yrs time span.

If in 'a true opponent' you mean the POSSIBILITY of anyone else besides China, you are engaging in wishful thinking. By the time the PLAN's sailors mastered carrier fleet operations, not just in training, but in deployment to any part of the world under any sea condition to face uncertain challenges that taxes their intellect, endurance in terms of human and hardware, stresses of environmental and political natures, and return to home ports, the USN will have relegated the aircraft carrier to secondary threat status.

Despite being Air Force, I am willing to go on a limb and say that no 'true opponent' will rise to be a peer to the USN for at least one hundred yrs. An opponent to the USN implies that there are enough countries in the world hostile to the US that many of them will attempt to have their navies be a peer to the USN. Are you seeing that today, not just in terms of ideological/political differences but couple them with sufficient national resources to do so ? No, there are none, and believe it or not, no one want to. No one is throwing up his hands and give up. They do not believe an American President is going to wake up one day, throw a dart at the world map, and send a USN carrier fleet to that country's shore and invade for oil and women. No one throw up his hands and give up because they believe the USN is the world's navy, just like no one is going to petition for an alternative police force when the current shire-reeve is doing just fine.

But look at the alarm the PLAN's modernization and aggressive behaviors raises among China's neighbors today.

 

[NiceGuy]

I think China welcomes the presence of USN in all other part of world, except in East China sea and south China sea...

China should beg for US's support again like in 1979 to maintain the status quo. If USN was not in SCS(east sea), VN would crushed all foreign forces to pieces in 1979 and control the whole Spratly isl.

 

[sweetgrape]

China should beg for US's support again like in 1979 to maintain the status quo. If USN was not in SCS(east sea), VN would crushed all foreign forces to pieces in 1979 and control the whole Spratly isl.

Very funny comment, , can tell me your age?

 

[Cossack25A1]

Can Phil afford brand new gears? srsly, your gov doesn't have a good name in the world.

We could afford new gears, but the issue of corruption and excessive politics had always been the problem.

 

[hans]

Really?
Did China get any support from USN?

China should beg for US's support again like in 1979 to maintain the status quo. If USN was not in SCS(east sea), VN would crushed all foreign forces to pieces in 1979 and control the whole Spratly isl.

 

[NiceGuy]

Very funny comment, , can tell me your age?

its the Truth, dude. China alone cant stop our expansion to the South, thats why we annexed Champa-Khmer lands and took one island from Phil before 1975.

In 1979, we continued our expansion to Laos-Camb-Thai and only failed to control Thai (due to US supported Thai-China to stop VN ) when successfully control Laos-Camb's military (thats why we can log wood in Laos-Camb and become a big wood exporter).

Really?
Did China get any support from USN?

USN belong US, China got support from US to disperse VN power from the North in 10 years, so we didnt have enough power to take control the whole Spratly isl.

 

[sahaliyan]

its the Truth, dude. China alone cant stop our expansion to the South, thats why we annexed Champa-Khmer lands and took one island from Phil before 1975.

In 1979, we continued our expansion to Laos-Camb-Thai and only failed to control Thai (due to US supported Thai-China to stop VN ) when successfully control Laos-Camb's military (thats why we can log wood in Laos-Camb and become a big wood exporter).


USN got support from US, so what is the different ??

Pretend to be a victim of aggression，speak like an aggressor

 

[hans]

Sounds like invasion to neighbor country...

its the Truth, dude. China alone cant stop our expansion to the South, thats why we annexed Champa-Khmer lands and took one island from Phil before 1975.

In 1979, we continued our expansion to Laos-Camb-Thai and only failed to control Thai (due to US supported Thai-China to stop VN ) when successfully control Laos-Camb's military (thats why we can log wood in Laos-Camb and become a big wood exporter).


USN belong US, China got support from US to disperse VN power from the North in 10 years, so we didnt have enough power to take control the whole Spratly isl.

 

[sweetgrape]

its the Truth, dude. China alone cant stop our expansion to the South, thats why we annexed Champa-Khmer lands and took one island from Phil before 1975.

In 1979, we continued our expansion to Laos-Camb-Thai and only failed to control Thai (due to US supported Thai-China to stop VN ) when successfully control Laos-Camb's military (thats why we can log wood in Laos-Camb and become a big wood exporter).


USN got support from US, so what is the different ??

Sorry, I don't want to contradict you and comment, your comments are always funny, can make me laugh, your comments for you, in most time, no problem for me.

Beside your comments, for me, you to me can attract my interest is your age, mind to tell me? , Thank you in advance.