Jadhav’s conviction at ICJ, Indian MEA's declining a handshake...stooping low.

[VCheng]

Fair enough. So who can confirm whether etiquette was breached and who breached it?

I do not know the workings of the ICJ in detail, but it would be considered bad form in a US court for either side to initiate such contact, specially in front of photographers as a staged incident.

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

I do not know the workings of the ICJ in detail, but it would be considered bad form in a US court for either side to initiate such contact, specially in front of photographers as a staged incident.

Olena Zerkal, Ukraine’s Deputy Foreign Minister, left, shakes hands with Roman Kolodkin, head of the legal department of the Russian Foreign Affairs ministry, at the World Court in The Hague, Netherlands, Monday

 

[VCheng]

Olena Zerkal, Ukraine’s Deputy Foreign Minister, left, shakes hands with Roman Kolodkin, head of the legal department of the Russian Foreign Affairs ministry, at the World Court in The Hague, Netherlands, Monday

I do not know the workings of the World Court either.

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

I do not know the workings of the World Court either.

My point being that there are plenty of images of litigating parties shaking hands and interacting at these institutions, which would suggest that it isn’t considered a breach of etiquette.

 

[VCheng]

My point being that there are plenty of images of litigating parties shaking hands and interacting at these institutions, which would suggest that it isn’t considered a breach of etiquette.

Point made, and understood. May be such international courts work by different standards than civil or criminal courts of law.

 

[YeBeWarned]

As Imran Khan said " Chotay log " .

 

[saiyan0321]

6 pages and we have people over here who haven't written an application in their life giving judgments and passing remarks on legal arguments...
Everyone should do simply this. Wait for the verdict and let the experts decipher it...

The ICJ isnt going to pass a note saying convicted or innocent like media breaking news with flashes and shouts of diplomatic victory and revenges. Its going to give a detailed response explaining its own jurisdiction in the case, it's own capability to pass judgment, the nature of the case being classified as international case and in such an event being repeated anywhere in the world, such a precedents applicability.

Believe it or nor those judges aren't thinking Pakistan vs india like the posters here think they are thinking. They are thinking whether he is an international subject, do we have jurisdiction and if we do both then would it mean that all subjects. Would setting such a precedent further complicate international law or make it even more judicious.
Their order will not end with Pakistan vs india but will encompass as an international legal precedent... The importance of whom can be found in two cases to read.

The reparation of injuries advisory 1949 and chad vs Libya...

Comment when they announce the order... Passing judgments on arguments that nobody has any idea about is simply not going to cut it...

I am pretty interested in this case. Its could set a few precedents.

 

[AMCA]

To be fair and honest, the Pakistani official is in the wrong here and looks like a complete undignified idiot. india is an enemy state which calls for the death and destruction of the Pakistani race and nation. ALL indians have a raging fanatical hatred of Pakistan and Pakistanis. Hence we should ALWAYS treat ALL indians as enemies. Shaking the hand of an indian or being civil to them is tantamount to treason. The Pakistani official needs his head examined.

If all Indians were raging fanatical hatred against Pakistanis, your people wouldn't be flocking for medical treatment here. We have nothing to do with the general population of Pakistan, its your policy to bleed India with 1000 cuts that we have a problem with.

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

We have nothing to do with the general population of Pakistan, its your policy to bleed India with 1000 cuts that we have a problem with.

But you've been brainwashed to believe that every attack in India is perpetrated by Pakistan (the government and or the military). Case in point being the recent Pulwama attack - all evidence points to it be a local attack (local bomber, locally procured explosives) and no evidence that it was planned in Pakistan, yet most of India has turned into raging war-mongering lunatics.

 

[AMCA]

But you've been brainwashed to believe that every attack in India is perpetrated by Pakistan (the government and or the military). Case in point being the recent Pulwama attack - all evidence points to it be a local attack (local bomber, locally procured explosives) and no evidence that it was planned in Pakistan, yet most of India has turned into raging war-mongering lunatics.

How long are you going to say that Pakistan is not a breeding ground for Terrorists? are you even going to deny how the seals picked up their most wanted terrorist from right under your military training establishment?

Your games have become just too obvious for even a common citizen to understand. Jaish has claimed responsibility for the attack, are you even going to deny that they are not based out of Pakistan?

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

How long are you going to say that Pakistan is not a breeding ground for Terrorists? are you even going to deny how the seals picked up their most wanted terrorist from right under your military training establishment?

Your games have become just too obvious for even a common citizen to understand. Jaish has claimed responsibility for the attack, are you even going to deny that they are not based out of Pakistan?

How about we stick to the facts:

1. Multiple US government, defence and intelligence officials have officially stated that they have found ABSOLUTELY NO evidence that the Pakistani government, military or intelligence was sheltering OBL or knew where he was.

2. What concrete evidence does India have to claim that (a) Pakistani government, military or intelligence was involved in the Pulwama attacks (b) That the perpetrators are in Pakistan?

 

[AMCA]

How about we stick to the facts:

1. Multiple US government, defence and intelligence officials have officially stated that they have found ABSOLUTELY NO evidence that the Pakistani government, military or intelligence was sheltering OBL or knew where he was.

2. What concrete evidence does India have to claim that (a) Pakistani government, military or intelligence was involved in the Pulwama attacks (b) That the perpetrators are in Pakistan?

If you know Jaish is operating out of Pakistan, if you know Lashkar is operating out of Pakistan, whats stopping you from eliminating them from your soil? you are just letting them breed, and letting them breed means you are supporting them.

If Pakistan had no role in Sheltering OBL, they could have just trusted your army and caught them with Pakstan Army's help. Why did they have to sneak into Pakistan at night and take him away?

 

[VCheng]

Comment when they announce the order... Passing judgments on arguments that nobody has any idea about is simply not going to cut it...

As I said elsewhere:

Let's wait for the court to arrive at its verdict first.

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/indi...tional-court-of-justice.602591/#post-11181997

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

If you know Jaish is operating out of Pakistan, if you know Lashkar is operating out of Pakistan, whats stopping you from eliminating them from your soil? you are just letting them breed, and letting them breed means you are supporting them.

JeM is banned in Pakistan and Azhar is just a figure head who's essentially under house arrest. Tangible support would be if training camps in Pakistan actually trained and individuals in Pakistan actually planned and carried out the attacks, or if resources were sent from Pakistan to the attackers. A group having a PO Box in Pakistan does not make Pakistan culpable or responsible.

If Pakistan had no role in Sheltering OBL, they could have just trusted your army and caught them with Pakstan Army's help. Why did they have to sneak into Pakistan at night and take him away?

They should have, considering the Pakistan has neutralized more AQ members than possibly any other ally, but Pakistan and the US have always had a trust deficit, and that trust deficit was even more pronounced in the days leading up to the the OBL raid.

The problem with the US was it's poor policies in Afghanistan and it's desire to scapegoat Pakistan for those failures. Additionally, the US was unable to make a distinction between the Taliban and AQ. Pakistan had and has always cooperated when it comes to operations against AQ.

 

[Corona]

My point being that there are plenty of images of litigating parties shaking hands and interacting at these institutions, which would suggest that it isn’t considered a breach of etiquette.

It's not like we didn't interact. They simply used a form of interaction that didn't involve personal contact. It's not a vague form of greeting either. It's pretty common and well known.

How about we stick to the facts:

1. Multiple US government, defence and intelligence officials have officially stated that they have found ABSOLUTELY NO evidence that the Pakistani government, military or intelligence was sheltering OBL or knew where he was.

2. What concrete evidence does India have to claim that (a) Pakistani government, military or intelligence was involved in the Pulwama attacks (b) That the perpetrators are in Pakistan?

The accusation is not against every member of the Pakistani government or Military.

But someone somewhere in the Pakistani apparatus knew, and that's even more scary. It implies that element in Pakistan operate without proper checks. A rogue general with a nuke and a vendetta comes to mind. It's not exactly farfetched either, how many people in Pakistani military knew of the Kargil operation in its initial stages? Both the head of the navy and airforce claimed they had no clue.