J15 vs MIG29k, Naval Tejas

[The_Sidewinder]

Its and Comparison between future Air war above indian Ocean. The J15, Naval LCA and MIG29 k and kub's.
By the way although written as vs but the sole concept of these thread is to analyse importance of these fighters to their respective naval aviation forces. Bcoz there is a little chances of direct conflict between both forces in near future. J15 most probably will be pitted agains us F18e/f, korean f15 and Japanese air force. Where is Naval LCA and Mig29k will be pitted against Paf.
The main purpose of discussion is what punch these fighters will provide to their respective navy in terms of power projection capabilities.
Note: please dont make it national pissing competition.

 

[tanlixiang28776]

Its and Comparison between future Air war above indian Ocean. The J15, Naval LCA and MIG29 k and kub's.
Note: please dont make it national pissing competition.

Yeah sure.

 

[The_Sidewinder]

Yeah sure.

Hope so...

 

[faithfulguy]

I think that there are too many vs threads that are totally useless. Such as this one.

 

[lawxx]

j-15 will certainly be better than the MIG-29, J-15 J-11 combines the technology.

 

[tanlixiang28776]

j-15 will certainly be better than the MIG-29, J-15 J-11 combines the technology.

 

[conworldus]

Naval Tejas (LCA data)

Range: 3000 km no tank (500-600km combat radius)
Weapon load: 4000kg


Mig 29K:

Ferry range 2000km no drop tank (Combat radius around 300-400km?)
Weapon load: around 5,000kg

J-15 (Su -33 data)
Ferry range: 3000km no drop tank (Combat radius around 500-600km?)
Weapon load: around 10,000 kg

 

[The_magnificent]

j-15 will certainly be better than the MIG-29, J-15 J-11 combines the technology.

Indian Navy use Mig29 k. Please explain how j15 is better.

 

[lawxx]

This is obviously a matter of common sense. , MIG-29 in exports entirely SU-27 is proof. SU-33 SU-27 is a variant. China's J-15 combines the SU-33 technology. You say, J-15 well, or MIG-29 is good?

 

[tanlixiang28776]

Well let the troll fest begin.

 

[lawxx]

Indian Navy use Mig29 k. Please explain how j15 is better.

Given China's J-15 did not disclose specific performance data, we here refer to SU-33 performance data.
SU-33
Length: 21.94 m (72 ft)
Wingspan: 14.7 meters (48 feet 3 inches)
Height: 5.93 meters (19 feet 6 inches)
Wing area: 62.0 m ² (667.4 英尺 ²)
Empty weight: 18,400 kg (40,600 lb)
Load: 29,940 kg (ship) (66,010 lb)
Maximum takeoff weight: 33,000 kg
(Land) (72,750 lb)

Engine: 2 × Lyulka AL-31FU turbine jet engines, each 145 kN (32,000 lb)
Performance Maximum speed: 2,300 km / h (altitude) (2.17 Mach) (1,430 miles / hour)
Range: 3,000 km (1,860 miles)
Service ceiling: 18,000 m (59,100 ft)
Rate of climb: 230 m / s (45,275 ft / min)
Wing loading: 483 kg / m (98.9 lb / sq ft)
Thrust-weight ratio: 0.97
Weapons and a 30 mm cannon GSh-30-1
12 arms hanging points, the biggest weapon load 8,000 kg (17,640 lb)
R-27/R-73/R-77 various air missiles
Soviet bombs all supersonic anti-ship missiles, air to ground missiles
ECM pods
MiG-29 parameters are as follows, a wingspan of 11.36 to 13.965 m, 17.32 m captain. Normal from the captain (with pitot tube): 17.32 m
Wingspan: 11.36 m
Height: 4.73 m
Empty weight: 8.175 tons
Normal take-off weight (intercept): 15 tons
Maximum Takeoff Weight: 18 tons
Wing area: 35.20 m 2
Efficacy
Maximum speed (12,000 meters): 2.3 Mach
Rate of climb: 330 m / s
Service ceiling: 17,000 m
Roll distance: Take-off: 240 m; landing: 600 m
Engine: RD-33 engine turbine blades x2
Maximum military thrust: 100 knt (50knt x 2)
However, after the maximum thrust: 168.2 knt (84.1knt x 2)
Arm
Air equipment: 30mm cannon x1 AA8, AA9, AA10, AAM, AA12 other six rounds of missiles

 

[tanlixiang28776]

 

[Manticore]

the thread starter should have researched a bit before starting the thread - atleast he should have defined some parameters otherwise this thread would get closed in a day


if anyone wants to jump in , plz let us know about these parameters [in the 3 fighters] before you jump to any conclusion
radars
range
payload
rcs
number of fighters/carrier
thrust to wt ratio
countermeasures
range
combat radius

 

[lawxx]

SU-33 airframe as the birth time is earlier than J-15 twenty years, subject to technical constraints, extensive use of metal materials. Although this course to ensure a solid, but largely increased body weight, and very detrimental to the stealth. Therefore, J-15's body weight is certainly lighter than the SU-33. This has very important significance. On the one hand means that, J-15 can carry more fuel and payload, range, combat radius and payload is bound stronger than the SU-33. On the other hand, the engine power is not very different circumstances, the lighter the J-15's maneuverability and agility will be more than SU-33, so its close combat capability will be stronger than the SU-33. And J-15's stealth and certainly stronger than the SU-33. Of course, confidential to strengthen the body structure as carrier, is bound to lead to weight increase, so the J-15 is likely to be slightly more important than land-based J-11B. In order to reduce the intensity and take-off weight, payload and fuel capacity would decline, but the radar and fire control will enhance the capacity of the sea. F/A-18 empty weight 10810 grams of dry, take-off weight of 15,740 kg (air), 22,328 kg (ground attack), maximum takeoff weight of 25,401 kg; F-35C carrier-based aircraft stealth maximum landing weight of 18,750 kg; J- 11B empty weight 15,700 kg, normal take-off weight of 23,700 kg, maximum takeoff weight of 33,000 kg; SU-33 empty weight 17,000 kg, normal take-off weight of 29,940 kg, maximum takeoff weight of 33,000 kg. J-11B's empty weight is 1.45 times the F/A-18, SU-33's empty weight is 1.57 times the F/A-18. J-15's empty weight is best only 70% of the F-11B, that is 10,990 kg, and the F/A-18 10,810 grams of very dry. If the J-15 J-11B light than 30%, from the mobility point of view than the J-15 F-35C has a certain advantage, because F-35C air mobility is clearly not as good as J-11B, while the lighter weight of the F - mobility than the 15 J-11B is clearly far better than one domain. If the J-15 airborne radar with F-35C rather, on the F-35C will be able to pose a certain threat

http://baike.baidu.com/view/1806491.htm

 

[gubbi]

Well let the troll fest begin.

Let me do the honors.

Its and Comparison between future Air war above indian Ocean. The J15, Naval LCA and MIG29 k and kub's.
Note: please dont make it national pissing competition.

Since J-15s would be launched from PLAN aircraft carriers, and assuming a whole plethora of forces to be involved, I will bring in advanced versions of BrahMos! J-15s wont have any 'home' to go to or launch from. Consequently, Naval Tejas and MiG-29Ks will rule the air!!

Hoorah!!

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