HAL pegs price of Tejas fighter at Rs 162 crore

[nik22]

Ill keep this short as it has been answered well(with regards to Tejas) by certain Indian members who are part of the Analyst team at PDF. Namely sancho and Sandy.. please look up their posts for the most accurate and unbiased information on the type.
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very much appreciated, Thank You! It is good to read stuff like this, not some crap posts by stupid jingoists. There are other people who try to be an expert irrespective of knowledge about subject

 

[SQ8]

But wouldn't that also prolong the life of the aircraft as an upgradeable platform as opposed to one which, perhaps in the next 20 years, becomes obsolete due to its inability to incorporate a heavier weapons or avionics package due to weight limitations ?

Not really, composites can be incorporated on the long term for this aircraft. It was just dropped in this design to ensure minimum costs.

very much appreciated, Thank You! It is good to read stuff like this, not some crap posts by stupid jingoists. There are other people who try to be an expert irrespective of knowledge about subject

It is better to listen to people who have worked even a little while in the defence industry.. or at least know the difference between requirements and capability.

 

[Superboy]

Where Mr Zhu Zheng says clearly that it is FBW in Pitch and mechanical in roll and yaw.

It is easy to misquote a Chinese. I think what he meant is that JF-17 has FBW in pitch, roll, yaw, but also has mechanical backup in roll and yaw. It makes no sense to put FBW in one axis only. That's not how an FBW system works.

According to jf17.com, JFT has two hydraulic systems for backup. I would say that's where the confusion came from, with some misunderstanding the two hydraulic backup systems as being mechanical in roll and yaw.

"Sources: Pakdef & Zafar Iqbal's Report (Some Text also taken from this report)
JF-17 has quadruplex, digital, fly-by-wire flight control system and two hydraulic systems for backup."

JF-17 Avionics | JF-17 Thunder

 

[Last Samuri]

The big difference between JF17 and the other fighters ie F16 & Tejas and the euro canards is that to save both time and cost they gave the thunder a stable design only.

The indian commentators made a great analogy when Tejas achieved ioc . Regarding stable versis unstable designed fighters.

A stable fighter ie Jf17 will turn like a car in a dog fight

A unstable fighter be it Tejas /gripen etc will turn like a motor bike.

Tejas instant turn rate will be excellent and better than JF17 in a dog fight.

Alas this is not the sole measurement of a good dogfighter and twr speed and FCS will also be vital and the radar and weapons even more vital.

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

The big difference between JF17 and the other fighters ie F16 & Tejas and the euro canards is that to save both time and cost they gave the thunder a stable design only.

The indian commentators made a great analogy when Tejas achieved ioc . Regarding stable versis unstable designed fighters.

A stable fighter ie Jf17 will turn like a car in a dog fight

A unstable fighter be it Tejas /gripen etc will turn like a motor bike.

Tejas instant turn rate will be excellent and better than JF17 in a dog fight.

Alas this is not the sole measurement of a good dogfighter and twr speed and FCS will also be vital and the radar and weapons even more vital.

Lmao cool man.. You are so awesome with your stuff.. But just get owned every time you make such retarded conclusions n assumptions..

Are you storm force ?

 

[Superboy]

The big difference between JF17 and the other fighters ie F16 & Tejas and the euro canards is that to save both time and cost they gave the thunder a stable design only.

The indian commentators made a great analogy when Tejas achieved ioc . Regarding stable versis unstable designed fighters.

A stable fighter ie Jf17 will turn like a car in a dog fight

A unstable fighter be it Tejas /gripen etc will turn like a motor bike.

Tejas instant turn rate will be excellent and better than JF17 in a dog fight.

Alas this is not the sole measurement of a good dogfighter and twr speed and FCS will also be vital and the radar and weapons even more vital.

F-15 has stable design. F-16 does not. F-15 kills F-16 in dogfight anyway. Plus, you don't want too much maneuverability, which would put too much strain on the pilot's body. P-51 Mustang was stable, yet it was highly maneuverable.

 

[Last Samuri]

In reply plus,

you don't want too much maneuverability, which would put too much strain on the pilot's body

I guess the europeans who designed typhoon/rafale/gripen must of got this wrong then ..because they are all unstable

 

[Superboy]

In reply plus, I guess the europeans who designed typhoon/rafale/gripen must of got this wrong then ..because they are all unstable

JF-17 also has unstable design. All new fighter jets have that feature. It's nothing special.

The big difference between JF17 and the other fighters ie F16 & Tejas and the euro canards is that to save both time and cost they gave the thunder a stable design only.

JF-17 is a much newer plane than J-10. It incorporates all the technologies used in J-10 and more such as DSI, a more advanced EW and a more advanced cockpit.

 

[Last Samuri]

No superboy Jf17 is a traditional built fighter ie stable design fighter like the early generation migs & mirages.

You wanted quick cheap solution with bvr and stand off weapons ability you got jf17 thunder.

jf17 is the only new fighter not to have unstable design

 

[Superboy]

No superboy Jf17 is a traditional built fighter ie stable design fighter like the early generation migs & mirages.

You wanted quick cheap solution with bvr and stand off weapons ability you got jf17 thunder.

jf17 is the only new fighter not to have unstable design

Chinese never make any cheap fighter jets. JF-17 was developed after J-10. It therefore should also has unstable design like J-10 does. Even if JF-17 has stable design, it can still beat Tejas in dogfight like F-15 beats F-16 in dogfight. Plus, with modern gadgets like HMD which gives look to shoot capability and highly maneuverable dogfight missiles like AIM-9X and PL-ASR which can lock after firing with an off bore sight of some 90 degrees, aircraft maneuverability is not all that important.

 

[Last Samuri]

Jf17 has no hms system sd yet and it uses only Chinese wvr missles.

In contrast tejas uses Israeli designed elbit dash five hms system with the python 5 wvr. Missles and derby bvr from Israel

 

[Donatello]

Read a little bit more into aviation and you will see why that is a VERY bad statement to make to try and prove something. The F-15 has been doing that without FBW since 1970. The JF-17 has a computerized Stability augmentation system for its roll and yaw axis that coordinates with the FBW in pitch. Hence the pilot can roll it upside down.. and the aircraft will not roll here and there without external interference.

The J-10 uses a different FBW system. Different design. To satisfy your persistance, I suggest you read up on the interview of JF-17 project here.
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/81032936/JFT_Article.pdf

Where Mr Zhu Zheng says clearly that it is FBW in Pitch and mechanical in roll and yaw.



There are similar Indian members who do the same in the JF-17 thread. We have Indian members taking off their glasses of patriotism and jingoism in the JF-17 thread too. So they are appreciated there as well.

It's not full fly by wire, but the controls are actuated through a computer anyway? right?

 

[Superboy]

Jf17 has no hms system sd yet and it uses only Chinese wvr missles.

In contrast tejas uses Israeli designed elbit dash five hms system with the python 5 wvr. Missles and derby bvr from Israel

You can put Elbit DASH HMD in a P-51, doesn't make P-51 an advanced fighter. A plane is mostly its design, construction, build. In this respect JF-17 is way ahead of Tejas due to DSi.

 

[Last Samuri]

We believe you suprrboy

 

[SQ8]

Jf17 has no hms system sd yet and it uses only Chinese wvr missles.

In contrast tejas uses Israeli designed elbit dash five hms system with the python 5 wvr. Missles and derby bvr from Israel

Integration in progress. Please visit information pool of JF-17 before pulling conclusions out of your imagination.

No superboy Jf17 is a traditional built fighter ie stable design fighter like the early generation migs & mirages.

You wanted quick cheap solution with bvr and stand off weapons ability you got jf17 thunder.

jf17 is the only new fighter not to have unstable design

What is your source for that?