JF 17 Thunder
Crew: 1
Length: 14.93 m (49 ft)
Wingspan: 9.45 m (31 ft, including 2 wingtip missiles)
Height: 4.72 m (15 ft 6 in)
Wing area: 24.4 m² (263 ft²[158])
Empty weight: 6,586 kg (14,520 lb)
Loaded weight: 9,100 kg (20,062 lb)
Useful load: 3600kg (Block 1) ()
Max. takeoff weight: 12,500 kg (28,000 lb)
Powerplant: 1 × Klimov RD-93 or Guizhou WS-13[3]
Dry thrust: 49.7 kN / 51.2 kN (11,106 lbf / 11,510 lbf)
Thrust with afterburner: 84.6 kN (19,000 lbf)
G-limit: +8 g / -3 g
Internal Fuel Capacity: 2,350 kg (5,130 lb)
Performance
Maximum speed: Mach 1.6 (1,217.9 mph; 1,960.1 km/h)[3][11]
Combat radius: 1,352 km (840 mi[8])[dubious – discuss]
Ferry range: 3,482 km (1,880 NM)
Service ceiling: 16,920 m (55,500 ft)
Thrust/weight: 0.95 [159][160]
Armament
Guns: 1× 23 mm GSh-23-2 twin-barrel cannon or 1x 30 mm GSh-30-2
Hardpoints: 7 in total (4 × under-wing, 2 × wing-tip, 1 × under-fuselage (Joint Hardpoint)
Missiles:
Air-to-air missiles:
MAA-1 Piranha (Short-range)[162]
AIM-9L/M (Short-range)
PL-5EII (Short-range)[163]
PL-9C (Short-range)
PL-12 / SD-10 (Beyond visual range)[163]
Air-to-surface missiles:
MAR-1 (Anti-radiation missile)[91]
Ra'ad ALCM (Nuclear-capable Subsonic Cruise missile)[164]
CM-400AKG supersonic anti-shipping missile, export version of YJ-12[165]
C-802A Anti-ship missile
CM 102 supersonic Anti radiation missile
GB-6 Air-Launched Standoff Submunition Dispenser Precision Guided Weapon
Bombs:
Unguided bombs:
Mk-82 (general purpose bomb)
Mk-84 (general purpose bomb)
Matra Durandal (anti-runway bomb)
CBU-100/Mk-20 Rockeye (anti-armour cluster bomb)
Precision guided munitions (PGM):
GBU-10 (Laser-guided)
GBU-12 (Laser-guided)
LT-2 (Laser-guided)
H-2 (electro-optically guided)
H-4 (electro-optically guided)[10]
LS-6 (satellite-guided glide bombs)[161]
Satellite-guided bombs[10]
Others:
Rocket Pods
Countermeasures (Flares, Chaff)
Up to 3 external drop tanks Ix800+2X1100
Avionics
DEEC electronic warfare suite
NRIET KLJ-7 multi-mode fire-control radar
Night vision goggles (NVG) compatible glass cockpit
Externally mounted avionics pods:
KG-300G self-protection radar jamming pod[166]
WMD-7 day/night targeting pod[166]
Chengdu J10
Crew: 1[12]
Length: 15.49 m (50.82 ft)
Wingspan: 9.75 m (31.99 ft)
Height: 5.43 m (17.81 ft)
Wing area: 39 m² (356.3 ft²)
Empty weight: 9,750 kg (21,495 lb[7])
Loaded weight: 12,400 kg (28,600 lb)
Useful load: 6,000 kg[7] (13,200lb)
Max. takeoff weight: 19,277 kg [7][12] (42,500 lb)
Powerplant: 1 × Saturn-Lyulka AL-31FN or WS-10A turbofan
Dry thrust: 79.43 kN / 89.17 kN (17,860 lbf / 19,000 lbf)
Thrust with afterburner: 125 kN / 130 kN (27,999 lbf / 29,000 lbf)
Performance
Maximum speed: Mach 2.2 at altitude,[54][55] Mach 1.2 at sea level[7]
Combat radius: 550 km[7] (342 mi)
Ferry range: 1,850 km[7] (1,150 mi)
Service ceiling: 18,000 m[7] (59,055 ft)
Wing loading: 381 kg/m² (78 lb/ft²)
Thrust/weight: 1.15 (with AL-31FN3); 1.16 (with WS-10B)
Maximum g-load: +9/–3 g[7]
Armament
Guns: 1× Gryazev-Shipunov GSh-23
Hardpoints: 11 in total (6× under-wing, 5× under-fuselage) with a capacity of 7,000 kg (15,400 lb) external fuel and ordnance[43]
Rockets: 90 mm unguided rocket pods
Missiles:
Air-to-air missiles:
PL-8
PL-9
PL-11
PL-12
Air-to-surface missiles:
PJ-9
YJ-9K
Bombs:
Laser-guided bombs: (LT-2)
Glide bombs: (LS-6, GB3, GB2A, GB3A)
Satellite-guided bombs: (FT-1)
Unguided bombs: 250 kg, 500 kg
Others:
Up to 3 external fuel drop-tanks (1× under-fuselage, 2× under-wing) for extended range and loitering time
Avionics
Type 1473H pulse-doppler fire control radar
Externally mounted avionics pods:
Type Hongguang-I infra-red search and track pod
BM/KG300G self-protection jamming pod
KZ900 electronic reconnaissance pod
Blue Sky navigation/attack pod
FILAT (Forward-looking Infra-red Laser Attack Targeting) pod
Chengdu J10
Crew: 1[12]
Length: 15.49 m (50.82 ft)
Wingspan: 9.75 m (31.99 ft)
Height: 5.43 m (17.81 ft)
Wing area: 39 m² (356.3 ft²)
Empty weight: 9,750 kg (21,495 lb[7])
Loaded weight: 12,400 kg (28,600 lb)
Useful load: 6,000 kg[7] (13,200lb)
Max. takeoff weight: 19,277 kg [7][12] (42,500 lb)
Powerplant: 1 × Saturn-Lyulka AL-31FN or WS-10A turbofan
Dry thrust: 79.43 kN / 89.17 kN (17,860 lbf / 19,000 lbf)
Thrust with afterburner: 125 kN / 130 kN (27,999 lbf / 29,000 lbf)
Performance
Maximum speed: Mach 2.2 at altitude,[54][55] Mach 1.2 at sea level[7]
Combat radius: 550 km[7] (342 mi)
Ferry range: 1,850 km[7] (1,150 mi)
Service ceiling: 18,000 m[7] (59,055 ft)
Wing loading: 381 kg/m² (78 lb/ft²)
Thrust/weight: 1.15 (with AL-31FN3); 1.16 (with WS-10B)
Maximum g-load: +9/–3 g[7]
Armament
Guns: 1× Gryazev-Shipunov GSh-23
Hardpoints: 11 in total (6× under-wing, 5× under-fuselage) with a capacity of 7,000 kg (15,400 lb) external fuel and ordnance[43]
Rockets: 90 mm unguided rocket pods
Missiles:
Air-to-air missiles:
PL-8
PL-9
PL-11
PL-12
Air-to-surface missiles:
PJ-9
YJ-9K
Bombs:
Laser-guided bombs: (LT-2)
Glide bombs: (LS-6, GB3, GB2A, GB3A)
Satellite-guided bombs: (FT-1)
Unguided bombs: 250 kg, 500 kg
Others:
Up to 3 external fuel drop-tanks (1× under-fuselage, 2× under-wing) for extended range and loitering time
Avionics
Type 1473H pulse-doppler fire control radar
Externally mounted avionics pods:
Type Hongguang-I infra-red search and track pod
BM/KG300G self-protection jamming pod
KZ900 electronic reconnaissance pod
Blue Sky navigation/attack pod
FILAT (Forward-looking Infra-red Laser Attack Targeting) pod
I think it is useless talking in riddles and conjectures. The reason J10 brings nothing new on to the table lies inb a comparison of the tables of performances. You have to understand that p[eople are projecting J10 as a medium weight long range fighter.The ferry range goes against that supposition.
It has more hardpoints but the belly hardpoints are mostly reserved for dumb bombs of 250 Lbs. So effectively it will end up with as many hardpoints usable for BVR/WVR as JFT.
The last point pertains to the potential weapons which can be mounted on JFT vs the J10.
Now if you want to carry on the debate pleas e do so.
lastly figures presented are those of Block 1 of both fighters so if you want to upgrade figures please do so.
Regards