It's too ridiculous to invoke Article 62 & 63." - Imran Khan

[BATMAN]

Give it a rest now. It is over. Nawaz Sharif has stepped down.

 

[maximuswarrior]

Batman/Others,

Pakistan was looking up under PMLN, with CPEC underway, it really had a bright future. But IK has chosen to join hands with the enemies of Pak to derail it. Zina is the least of his crimes.

Regards

Calm down man. CPEC will go ahead with or without any political leader. The real guarantor of CPEC is the Pak army. Not Imran Khan, Nawaz Sharif or Donald Trump.

 

[expert]

1. he has adequate knowledge of Islamic teachings and practises obligatory duties prescribed by Islam as well as abstains from major sins ;

The only Court that will be able to decide whether or not a person has "abstained" from major sins is a Sharia Court. According to Islamic principles and jurisprudence, to convict someone of zina, there need to be at least four honest witnesses who have seen the actual act of penetration--the penis being inserted into the vagina (sorry for being graphic, but that's the actual Islamic law).

DNA tests will not stand in a Sharia Court. There is a reason for that--practically, zina is a hudood offence only in certain circumstances. If there are no witnesses, there is no penalty even if the culprit admits to the crime. In Islamic law there is a concept of الولد للفراش وللعاهر الحجر which means that even if a married woman has extra-marital affairs, her illegitimate child will be her husband's for all legal purposes.

Allegations of zina against an individual whom one has never witnessed committing the act of penetration are in themselves a hudood offence. Not only will PML be subject to qazf/slander for making these allegations if they take IK to court but they will lose secular support if they try to raise this issue in the media. They will be shunned by many and nothing substantial will come out of it.

In summary: there is nothing PML can do about this. @BATMAN

 

[Turingsage]

Their child with Imran's other children.

"Tyrian is now extremely close to Jemima and the family minus their father decided to spend the girl’s 23rd birthday together in London. Bravo Jemima, you undoubtedly make an ideal step mother!"

http://www.viewstorm.com/2015/07/imran-khans-daughter-celebrated-her-23rd-birthday-with-family/

 

[expert]

It's unfortunate to see some have resorted to personal attacks against the private lives of individuals against which they can do nothing. In fact, allegations of zina can be prosecuted on the grounds of slander.

8. Proof of zina 8[] 8 liable to hadd.
Proof of zina 9[] 9 liable to hadd shall be in one of the following forms, namely:-
(a) the accused makes before a Court of competent jurisdiction a confession of the commission of the offence; or
(b) at least four Muslim adult male witnesses, about whom the Court is satisfied, having regard to the requirements of tazkiyah al-shuhood, that they are truthful persons and abstain from major sins (kabair), give evidence as eye-widnesses of the act of penetration necessary to the offence:Provided that, if the accused is a non-Muslim, the eye-witnesses may be non-Muslims.

 

[Flash_Ninja]

If a child is born through IVF is it still haram? because technically there would be no zina committed.

A DNA test in that scenario would prove nothing, and its not like we can obtain private medical records to find out whether it happened that way.

 

[Long.Live.Pakistan]

do you know the punishment in Islam for calling someone zani with no witness???
you have no right to call him zani when you haven't seen him. you don't have the right to assume things about personal life of any person.

Its not about my rights. Its about whether a politician and public position holders satisfy the requirements of article 62 or 63 as set in our constitutions. Rule should be same for everyone. If you celebrate the disqualification of others based on article 62 and 63 then you should have moral character and dignity to apply it on yourselves . You all call nawaz corrupt yet no corruption charges got proved it court and here you know imran did zina and shamelessly saying go prove in court with 4 witness who have been watching his physical act with Sita so you guys are simply making fun of Islamic ruling as its literally impossible to bring four witness watching it live

Why Imran dont deny it openly if he is not zani? When court will put his hand on Holy Quran and will ask him if he commited act or if he father of tryrian then would he deny it and say bring 4 witness ? He dont deny it even in TV shows. Why? Answer this question. He is atleast honest unlike you guys defending shamelessly. . If a non muslim girl do my character assisination and do this bhutan bazi that i have been sleeping with her and father of X or Y then i would challege her in court of law if she is lying . I will not ask her oh bring 4 witness who were watching me involving in physical act with you. I will simply refute all her accusation by doing a simple DNA test. It prove my innocene and will shut all speculations. If I am hestitant in doing this then others have rights to doubts on me. Sita is also non Muslim so western court do fair trail. Why scare if you not guilty?

Thirdly some so called expert are syaing that you cannot be punished for zina even if you confessed in absence of 4 witness but they forgot that many people went to Prophet Muhammad(PBUH) voluantrily and confessed to involve in this act then they were not asked to bring 4 witness. Truth is whther you prove it in court or not but Imran know that he has no moral reason to celebrate disqualification of nawaz under ariticle 62. If he lie then he is not sadiq and if he accept it then he is zani and in either case its disqualification

 

[Long.Live.Pakistan]

Dude let them just take it to the court.
Let the court decide.
Why waste time on this? Its Imran and his personal thing.
Simple

Why don't apply same logic to others? they are all innocent until proven guilty or corrupt by court ..no? but here we love throwing blind accusations of corruption and even give figure in billions

Even let leave this zina thing. I personally don't care a bit about how many girls he been sleeping with though it may violate article 62 and could disqualify politicians for life but my question to all his supporters is

Will he criticise and oppose the article 62/63 and verdict of judges based on it in same way as he been doing in the past? Would he say same now that it's too ridiculous to invoke Article 62 & 63 ?

If not then he will be hypocrite

 

[El Sidd]

Why don't apply same logic to others? they are all innocent until proven guilty or corrupt by court ..no? but here we love throwing blind accusations

Even let leave this zina thing. I personally don't care a bit about how many girls he been sleeping with though it may violate article 62 and could disqualify politicians for life but my question to all his supporters is

Will he criticise and oppose the article 62/63 and verdict of judges based on it in same way as he been doing in the past? Would he say same now that it's too ridiculous to invoke Article 62 & 63 ?

If not then he will be hypocrite

Sure take his DNA trail there.

 

[Afzal2010]

Article 62 (d) disqualifies any non Muslim?

 

[Long.Live.Pakistan]

Sure take his DNA trail there.

did you even read my question in bold?

 

[El Sidd]

did you even read my question in bold?

Dude who cares what he says.
He has a opinion not a decree

 

[Long.Live.Pakistan]

Dude who cares what he says.
He has a opinion not a decree

You don't see the irony perhaps
If I say article 62 and 63 is ridiculous to be implement on anyone and next day I start celebrating sweets because my opponents become disqualify under same article which I have been opposing then I will become laughing stock and deserve the title of big hypocrite

 

[El Sidd]

You don't see the irony perhaps
If I say article 62 and 63 is ridiculous to be implement on anyone and next day I start celebrating sweets because my opponents become disqualify under same article which I have been opposing then I will become laughing stock and deserve the title of big hypocrite

You can laugh at him. No one treats him as holy.

I am just defending the Constitution here mate

 

[BATMAN]

there need to be at least four honest witnesses who have seen the actual act of penetration--the penis being inserted into the vagina (sorry for being graphic, but that's the actual Islamic law).

What sort of retard law definition of Islam is this.... if I was a judge, I would hand the witnesses first and actors later.
Foreign agencies have written such definitions of Islam and then they hire media and mull to propagate it.

DNA tests will not stand in a Sharia Court.

Than such courts should not exist in 21st century.

Allegations of zina against an individual whom one has never witnessed committing the act of penetration are in themselves a hudood offence.

That's correct but how you determine if the witnesses are being honest or not. There comes DNA test. While in case of IK he can live forever without facing courts, but when he present him self for leadership of the country, than he has to come clean.

In summary: there is nothing PML can do about this. @BATMAN

That is upto PMLN, if they like to pursue this case or not.