It's now or never situation again

[Maula Jatt]

You guys are living in lalaland.
Why don’t you open your eyes and see the situation in Balochistan and KP?
Those two provinces are basically lost now. Go look at the separatism there. Get out your bubble. Leave Punjab and see the situation if the rest of the country. If not just look at PDF threads to see what the feeling is like in the rest of the country.
You can play constitution and “rule of law” yourself while the rest of the country separates. 75 years of basically secularism and still Pakistan has no rule of law.

Pakistan isn’t America. There is only 1 way to unite Pakistan. If you refuse that then don’t complain when every province breaks away and Pakistan Balkanizes.

A- bring shari'a law like in Saudi, A-stan, ISIS states, without speration of power, delegation of power, democracy etc

You'll be going in circles, repeating the same issues- it's a requirement for any modern state , Islamic laws can't solve it , it's not a silver bullet, if anything it'll alienate more people without solving the issues of others

B- it wasn't secularism, it was dictatorship with no rule of law , no constitutionalism, free for all

constitution of Pakistan say's no law can go against islamic law and every law must pass shari'a council

This is fine - it's a middle ground to keep our state from going to any extreme, it can't go secular even if we wanted to, and it's also acceptable to most Pakistanis, it's not burdensome like in other countries with shari'a law

Democracy and delegation of power means - that if a province elects a provincial government, they can control thier society
Make hijab mandatory in your province - you can
Make your textbooks, education is yours, teach whatever the hell you want, make Quran mandatory - you can
Allocate budget to build up your police force you can
You want to attract investments- you can
You want to build schools, highway, electricity you can

If a province wants to shape thier society, constitutionally they can by voting in parties that represent their intrests - JI, tlp, Jui -F are all parties that are striving for these ideals

If you follow constitution to it's true spirit and bring proper democracy - everyone can shape thier province, cities even if rest of the country is not seeing eyes to eye

If gilgit, AJK, KPK, Punjab, Sindh, Balochistan wants to shape thier province into a welfare state they can, into an islamic state they can, within the confines of Pakistan

This is what I mean by constitution, rule of law, democracy - if you follow it to the tee there's space for everyone in our republic but if you don't - bring whatever it'll be the same shit over and over again , on repeat


C- so you want to appease one side by alienating the other- this is your plan, we won't fix our issues at hand by following constitution but we'll instead go the appeasement route and surrender our tradition, culture, way of life to "fit in" with each other, we won't respect the fact that we are a federation of 220 million with dozens of languages, sects, traditions, ethnicities - we are different, alone we are a ignored backwaters of the world, but together we become strong, atleast gives us the potential to be a great power, gives us the ability to stand up and protect ourselves

But if you follow our constitution, we can respect the differences, shape our society the way we want to shape it while loving our country and each other

Karachi, Lahore can't think like fata, northern Balochistan, peshawar, Multan can't think like cholistan, South Punjab can't think like gilgit, they won't appease fata or cholistan and change thier culture, values- you naively believe they all follow the same Islamic values, no they don't, never did - it's not the silver you desperately seek

That'll be simply unacceptable, that's why we follow our constitution and democracy - so everyone can do whatever the hell they want to do , that's how modern states work

To change us to fit in is not the answer, it's never the answer- we don't want that, modern states can't work like that

giving people the right to shape thier society is the answer just as our constitution guarantees

Issue is you don't follow the constitution, democracy is not there

 

[Super Falcon]

Waziristan belt pushtoons are running very active pushtunistan compaign on social media and they have gained some good chunk of people also on their side from inside kp
State will have to take strict action against Terrorism otherwise coming days will be extremely dark for Pakistan because it will have to fight both Pushtoon nationalists and TTP and will become difficult to handle their narrative.

Definitely put this end for once it for all

 

[Mirzali Khan]

I think in the long run, integrating FATA into KPK is a good move and will provide dividends when the state is able to serve these areas.

It’s only good under a PTI gov or when Imran Khan is PM, other than that it’s another Balochistan.

 

[TheSolution]

It’s only good under a PTI gov or when Imran Khan is PM, other than that it’s another Balochistan.

Should've been a Waziristan province on it's own in my opinion

What really matters is a strong national government that has respect and trust of the people. You only got that with an honest man like IK who genuinely cared.

GHQ needs to understand the above, sentiments are very important of the public and affect their mood which translates into productivity, hard work, etc or negative things like more corruption, separatist desires, nepotism, social decay.

Strong leaders feed into a nation which in turn feed into strong leaders.

 

[nahtanbob]

Should've been a Waziristan province on it's own in my opinion

What really matters is a strong national government that has respect and trust of the people. You only got that with an honest man like IK who genuinely cared.

If Imran Khan really cared Pakistan would not be here in the current predicament

 

[Ssan]

If Imran Khan really cared Pakistan would not be here in the current predicament

Get lost bharati. Don’t know why you are butting in here anyways.

 

[Strigon]

it’s either that or run out of this country.

Unfortunately, for most people that’s not an option and further to add to this sad reality, locals just don’t have it in them to actually stand and do anything for their rights…

Tbh, I see that Pakistani women have a lot of courage to speak out than men. Quite shameful and fitting reality of Pakistan.

 

[TheSolution]

it’s either that or run out of this country.

Unfortunately, for most people that’s not an option and further to add to this sad reality, locals just don’t have it in them to actually stand and do anything for their rights…

Tbh, I see that Pakistani women have a lot of courage to speak out than men. Quite shameful and fitting reality of Pakistan.

I feel it's one of two things

- people are too systematic and require someone to lead them to do something, I.e imran khan gives them a call, TLP gives them a call, etc

- they just really don't care enough, because if you see what they do to people accused of blasphemy and ahmeddiyas, they definitely have it in them

 

[lightning F57]

A military dictatorship could do the job if for 10-20 years it focused on nation building and improving the economy. The issue is military people are not good at running a country they are there to win wars or defend against external threats.

 

[TheSolution]

A military dictatorship could do the job if for 10-20 years it focused on nation building and improving the economy. The issue is military people are not good at running a country they are there to win wars or defend against external threats.

Military controlled government with civillians in it perhaps

But I definitely think something similar is required to set a strong unshakeable foundation, but military is itself the reason we don't have a proper government...

 

[The Accountant]

Waziristan belt pushtoons are running very active pushtunistan compaign on social media and they have gained some good chunk of people also on their side from inside kp
State will have to take strict action against Terrorism otherwise coming days will be extremely dark for Pakistan because it will have to fight both Pushtoon nationalists and TTP and will become difficult to handle their narrative.

Negative rating for inciting to violence and calling pushtoons as terrorists ...

R u out of your mind ? Havent we seen enough bloodshed. If they have grievances then same should be addressed rather than labelling them terrorist

 

[nahtanbob]

Get lost bharati. Don’t know why you are butting in here anyways.

This is a good reason you are in a mess

 

[Maula Jatt]

This is a good reason you are in a mess

STFU,. WTF is wrong with this forum and why is it filled with rat Pajeets Head butting in every single frickin thing

 

[S.Y.A]

You'll be going in circles, repeating the same issues- it's a requirement for any modern state , Islamic laws can't solve it , it's not a silver bullet, if anything it'll alienate more people without solving the issues of others

yes it can. modern law hasnt solved it in 75 years. and yes it was secularism from the very beginning, dictatorship or not. Islamic law will not "alienate more people". since you know next to nothing about Islamic law, please do look up maqasid e shariah.

it is only in the last 100 years or so that current modern system has taken shape, it isnt perfect nor is it good. we have seen it in our own country.

devolution of power has got nothing to do with democracy, it isnt the only system that guarantees it, and it cannot even enforce it (the provinces dont want to give up their power to cities/local bodies, the mna/mpa doesnt want to let go of civil service transfers and appointments). it is just a system of management, and valid under any form of govt. but the law itself, penal code, ethical code, civil servant conduct code etc. everything must be Islamic.

besides, since it is an Islamic country, Islamic law is mandatory, at least for muslims.

 

[Sayfullah]

A- bring shari'a law like in Saudi, A-stan, ISIS states, without speration of power, delegation of power, democracy etc

You'll be going in circles, repeating the same issues- it's a requirement for any modern state , Islamic laws can't solve it , it's not a silver bullet, if anything it'll alienate more people without solving the issues of others

B- it wasn't secularism, it was dictatorship with no rule of law , no constitutionalism, free for all

constitution of Pakistan say's no law can go against islamic law and every law must pass shari'a council

This is fine - it's a middle ground to keep our state from going to any extreme, it can't go secular even if we wanted to, and it's also acceptable to most Pakistanis, it's not burdensome like in other countries with shari'a law

Democracy and delegation of power means - that if a province elects a provincial government, they can control thier society
Make hijab mandatory in your province - you can
Make your textbooks, education is yours, teach whatever the hell you want, make Quran mandatory - you can
Allocate budget to build up your police force you can
You want to attract investments- you can
You want to build schools, highway, electricity you can

If a province wants to shape thier society, constitutionally they can by voting in parties that represent their intrests - JI, tlp, Jui -F are all parties that are striving for these ideals

If you follow constitution to it's true spirit and bring proper democracy - everyone can shape thier province, cities even if rest of the country is not seeing eyes to eye

If gilgit, AJK, KPK, Punjab, Sindh, Balochistan wants to shape thier province into a welfare state they can, into an islamic state they can, within the confines of Pakistan

This is what I mean by constitution, rule of law, democracy - if you follow it to the tee there's space for everyone in our republic but if you don't - bring whatever it'll be the same shit over and over again , on repeat


C- so you want to appease one side by alienating the other- this is your plan, we won't fix our issues at hand by following constitution but we'll instead go the appeasement route and surrender our tradition, culture, way of life to "fit in" with each other, we won't respect the fact that we are a federation of 220 million with dozens of languages, sects, traditions, ethnicities - we are different, alone we are a ignored backwaters of the world, but together we become strong, atleast gives us the potential to be a great power, gives us the ability to stand up and protect ourselves

But if you follow our constitution, we can respect the differences, shape our society the way we want to shape it while loving our country and each other

Karachi, Lahore can't think like fata, northern Balochistan, peshawar, Multan can't think like cholistan, South Punjab can't think like gilgit, they won't appease fata or cholistan and change thier culture, values- you naively believe they all follow the same Islamic values, no they don't, never did - it's not the silver you desperately seek

That'll be simply unacceptable, that's why we follow our constitution and democracy - so everyone can do whatever the hell they want to do , that's how modern states work

To change us to fit in is not the answer, it's never the answer- we don't want that, modern states can't work like that

giving people the right to shape thier society is the answer just as our constitution guarantees

Issue is you don't follow the constitution, democracy is not there

I am Muslim. My constitution is the Quran. My law is Shariah. My system is that of the Rashidun Caliphate.
Pakistan is Muslim lands and majority Muslim country. The system of kufr cannot work in Muslim lands.
It’s funny you start equating Shariah with ISIS. This shows your mentality. If you had picked up a Quran, read it, and understood it, you would know wouldn’t equate Shariah with ISIS.
There is no appeasing one side with Shariah. Shariah grants rights to everyone including non Muslims.
Pakistan can only survive if it becomes Islamic. That’s the only thing there is to unite the nations which make up Pakistan.

Karachi, Lahore can't think like fata, northern Balochistan, peshawar, Multan can't think like cholistan, South Punjab can't think like gilgit, they won't appease fata or cholistan and change thier culture,

No one is asking to change their culture.
They only thing in common between everyone is Islam. I want us to unite around Islam. Pakistan was created because of Islam and the concept of an Islamic state. Without Islam Pakistan is a non existent thing.