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Turkish deputy Selahattin Demirtas: “The war in Syria is tied to the conflict here because the Turkish government sees Kurds in Turkey and in Syria as one.” Photograph: Lukas Lehmann/EPA


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One of Turkey’s leading politicians says the war in Syria will continue unless unrest between Kurdish separatists and Turkey is first resolved. The co-chair of the Kurdish-rooted Peoples’ Democratic Party (HDP), Selahattin Demirtas says an “ethnic civil war” could break out in Turkey as divisions between Kurds and Turks grow.

“The war in Syria is tied to the conflict here because the Turkish government sees Kurds in Turkey and in Syria as one,” he tells The Irish Times. “It is impossible to have peace in Syria without peace in southeast Turkey.”

Ankara opposes the gains made in northern Syria by Kurdish militias – one of the most successful forces fighting the Islamic State terrorist group there– as it fears Kurds in Turkey may be encouraged to seek the same autonomy being carved out by their brethren across the border.

A two-year-old ceasefire between the Turkish state and the Kurdistan Workers’ Party (PPK) collapsed last summer when Kurdish separatists blamed authorities for failing to protect Kurdish and other activists killed in a suicide attack in Suruc last July, and began assassinating police and security officers in the southeast.

De facto capital Since then, armed Kurdish youths have dug trenches and barricaded themselves in towns including Cizre, Nusaybin and Sirnak, and in Diyarbakir, the de facto capital for Turkey’s Kurds.

In urban clashes for the past 10 months, hundreds of civilians have died and thousands more have since been made homeless. This week, the violence found its way to Istanbul where Kurdish militants have been blamed for a car bomb that killed 11 people on Tuesday.

“This war is driving Turkish and Kurdish society apart,” says Demirtas.

Demirtas and the HDP he co-chairs entered parliament last November on a manifesto to represent Kurds, minorities, leftists, environmentalists and women’s rights.

Last year Demirtas, seen as an important voice in opposition to President Recep Tayyip Erdogan’s march to unfettered control over Turkish politics, orchestrated a campaign that saw a Kurdish-focused party overcome the 10 per cent parliamentary threshold for the first time last June and take away the majority enjoyed for more than a decade by the ruling Justice and Development (AK) Party. The AK Party’s majority was restored, however, after a snap election in November.

Since last summer’s electoral success, Demirtas has survived an assassination attempt, and the political party he leads has seen dozens of its supporters killed by suicide bombers. Erdogan has accused him of treason.

Now, 46 HDP parliamentarians face possible prosecution for allegedly belonging to an armed terrorist group, a charge they deny.

The HDP’s alleged ties to militant separatists – one HDP deputy offered her condolences in person to the family of a suicide bomber responsible for scores of deaths in Ankara in February – has resulted in increasing claims the party is a cover for terrorists.

Last year, Erdogan says the HDP had “inorganic” links to the PKK, which the European Union and Washington regard as a terrorist organisation.

“She was wrong; she is our youngest member of parliament and our youngest member; she visited the family because she knew them – they had voted for her and she wanted to support them,” Demirtas said.

He says that for the sake of peace, he would be willing to meet and shake hands with Erdogan. “I am in politics because of peace so if sitting down face to face with Erdogan would lead to peace, then sure.”

Demirtas criticises European leaders and says more should be done to end the violence in southeast Turkey. “But the only ones to speak up are the opposition parties in Europe – the governments of Europe need a good deal with Erdogan because of the refugee crisis; that’s a huge mistake,” he said.

Weighing heaviest on him now is the worsening humanitarian situation unfolding in southeast Turkey. “More than 500,000 Kurds have left their homes because of the clashes and thousands of people have no shelter, no place to live, only tents,” he said.

Absent today are the wry smiles and quick wit that attracted more than five million voters to him during two parliamentary election cycles last year. “There are more than 10 residential areas now completely destroyed; they need humanitarian aid urgently.”
http://www.irishtimes.com/news/worl...ce-in-syria-without-peace-in-turkey-1.2679839
 
he tells The Irish Times. “It is impossible to have peace in Syria without peace in southeast Turkey.”
He shouldn't worry as we're delivering peace in southeast:

"1,000 PKK terrorists eliminated in Şırnak and Nusaybin

According to a statement from the General Staff, 495 PKK terrorists were eliminateded in Nusaybin, a town lying on the Syrian border in the province of Mardin, since the operation began. The military said that 505 terrorists were eliminateded in Şırnak. Both operations were launched on March 14 and ended on June 3."

Better, he be worried for himself:

"Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdoğan approved a bill late June 7 that will lift lawmakers’ immunity from prosecution, paving the way to have the immunities of a score of lawmakers lifted.

The related constitutional amendment was published in the Official Gazette on June 8, opening the way for the trial 152 legislators, amounting to 27.6 percent of the total number of seats.

A total of 799 cases have been opened against lawmakers, including deputies from the Peoples’ Democratic Party (HDP). The HDP has, meanwhile, announced they will appeal to the European Court of Human Rights (ECHR) to stop the proceedings upon Erdoğan’s approval of the law. Critics of the bill suggest it is aimed at evicting members of the HDP."

“The war in Syria is tied to the conflict here because the Turkish government sees Kurds in Turkey and in Syria as one,”
Besides, we don't see Kurds as one but PKK and PYD.

For example:

New Kurdish forces to fight against Assad, Daesh and PYD

"Fifteen Kurdish political parties are prepared to form an opposition fighting group in northern Syria as an alternative to the Democratic Union Party (PYD).
...
The new Kurdish forces aim to become the sole representative of the Kurdish population in northern Syria and will work for the unity of the country.
...

According to a source close to the SNC, the new Kurdish formation will not work with the PYD and its armed wing, the People's Protection Unit (YPG), claiming the group has been working as a pawn of the US, not for the benefit of local Kurdish people."

Another one:

PKK ve rejim karşıtı silahlı Kürt grup

"Kurds, who oppose US backed PYD (YPG/YPJ/SDF) terrorists, form a new group called 'Kurdish Revolutionary Brigade'. Newly formed group vows to fight US backed PYD and Asshad regime."

Also:
PYD a tool to implement foreign agendas, Syrian Islamic Council says

We are patient.



 
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He shouldn't worry as we're delivering peace in southeast:

"1,000 PKK terrorists eliminated in Şırnak and Nusaybin

According to a statement from the General Staff, 495 PKK terrorists were eliminateded in Nusaybin, a town lying on the Syrian border in the province of Mardin, since the operation began. The military said that 505 terrorists were eliminateded in Şırnak. Both operations were launched on March 14 and ended on June 3."

Better, he be worried for himself:

"Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdoğan approved a bill late June 7 that will lift lawmakers’ immunity from prosecution, paving the way to have the immunities of a score of lawmakers lifted.

The related constitutional amendment was published in the Official Gazette on June 8, opening the way for the trial 152 legislators, amounting to 27.6 percent of the total number of seats.

A total of 799 cases have been opened against lawmakers, including deputies from the Peoples’ Democratic Party (HDP). The HDP has, meanwhile, announced they will appeal to the European Court of Human Rights (ECHR) to stop the proceedings upon Erdoğan’s approval of the law. Critics of the bill suggest it is aimed at evicting members of the HDP."


Besides, we don't see Kurds as one but PKK and PYD.

For example:

New Kurdish forces to fight against Assad, Daesh and PYD

"Fifteen Kurdish political parties are prepared to form an opposition fighting group in northern Syria as an alternative to the Democratic Union Party (PYD).
...
The new Kurdish forces aim to become the sole representative of the Kurdish population in northern Syria and will work for the unity of the country.
...

According to a source close to the SNC, the new Kurdish formation will not work with the PYD and its armed wing, the People's Protection Unit (YPG), claiming the group has been working as a pawn of the US, not for the benefit of local Kurdish people."

Another one:

PKK ve rejim karşıtı silahlı Kürt grup

"Kurds, who oppose US backed PYD (YPG/YPJ/SDF) terrorists, form a new group called 'Kurdish Revolutionary Brigade'. Newly formed group vows to fight US backed PYD and Asshad regime."

Also:
PYD a tool to implement foreign agendas, Syrian Islamic Council says

We are patient.


:lol:

According to Turkey, over a million PKK fighters have been killed since July 2015 lawl.
 
:lol:

According to Turkey, over a million PKK fighters have been killed since July 2015 lawl.
No, it is more 7,078 PKK terrorists that are eliminated in counter-terror operations conducted in the last 10 months as the operations continue and the number daily increases. The number of killed terrorists include those killed in Turkey and also during the operations launched against the group in its northern Iraq camps.

Meanwhile, between July 24, 2015 and May 23, 2016, 483 security officers -(296 military officers, 178 police officers and 9 village guards)- had lost their lives in operations or in attacks by terrorists.

109 PKK terrorists were captured wounded, 731 were captured while 290 surendered to Turkish security forces in operations throughout Turkey.

Meanwhile, in operations on the PKK's northern Iraq camps, 638 terrorist were wounded and 437 had surrendered.

For example, those took less than two mins to croak:

nusaybin-den-kamisli-ya-gecmeye-calisan-pkk-li-8366345_x_8095_o.jpg


I think you once posted that Turks eliminated 100 trapped terrorists at once, burn them alive? I don't remember. Whatever makes you feel better :enjoy:
 
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No, it is more 7,078 PKK terrorists that are eliminated in counter-terror operations conducted in the last 10 months as the number daily increases. The number of killed terrorists include those killed in Turkey and also during the operations launched against the group in its northern Iraq camps.

Meanwhile, between July 24, 2015 and May 23, 2016, 483 security officers -(296 military officers, 178 police officers and 9 village guards)- had lost their lives in operations or in attacks by terrorists.

109 PKK terrorists were captured wounded, 731 were captured while 290 surendered to Turkish security forces in operations throughout Turkey.

Meanwhile, in operations on the PKK's northern Iraq camps, 638 terrorist were wounded and 437 had surrendered.

For example, those took less than two mins to die:

nusaybin-den-kamisli-ya-gecmeye-calisan-pkk-li-8366345_x_8095_o.jpg


I think you once posted that Turks eliminated 100 trapped terrorists at once, burn them alive? I don't remember. Whatever makes you feel better :enjoy:
:lol:

According to the International Crisis Group, 503 Turkish security personnel and 436 PKK-linked militants have been killed since July 2015:

http://www.crisisgroup.org/en/publi...5875B08E-4CDC-4879-9179-17AAE2724AEB}#results

So, numerically speaking, the Turks have so far lost more fighters than the PKK ROFL. :rofl:

The Turks are only good at killing unarmed civilians. When it comes to fighting militants, you lot are incredibly incompetent.

The irony is that you're not even fighting the real PKK. Instead, you're mainly fighting the inexperienced wings of the PKK. :rofl:

Biji Kurdistan u Kurd. 8-)
 
:lol:

According to the International Crisis Group, 503 Turkish security personnel and 436 PKK-linked militants have been killed since July 2015:

http://www.crisisgroup.org/en/publication-type/crisiswatch/crisiswatch-database.aspx?CountryIDs={5875B08E-4CDC-4879-9179-17AAE2724AEB}#results

So, numerically speaking, the Turks have so far lost more fighters than the PKK ROFL. :rofl:

The Turks are only good at killing unarmed civilians. When it comes to fighting militants, you lot are incredibly incompetent.

The irony is that you're not even fighting the real PKK. Instead, you're mainly fighting the inexperienced wings of the PKK. :rofl:

Biji Kurdistan u Kurd. 8-)
Hope the International Crisis Group makes you feel better, you need it :D
 
The truth hurts, doesn't it? :dirol:

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Seems like you enjoy this but we wont forget.
In contrary to you people we dont leave our country, our soldiers dont desert, they dont seek refugee in Europe and get treated like dirt, they fight.

You want Kurdistan? Then you are gonna have to fight till the last Turk dies.


diyarbakir-sehit-cinar-irem-ciftci-mehmet-senol-ciftci-002.jpg
 
Seems like you enjoy this but we wont forget.
In contrary to you people we dont leave our country, our soldiers dont desert, they dont seek refugee in Europe and get treated like dirt, they fight.

You want Kurdistan? Then you are gonna have to fight till the last Turk dies.


diyarbakir-sehit-cinar-irem-ciftci-mehmet-senol-ciftci-002.jpg
Your soldiers are cowards who only know how to kill unarmed Kurdish civilians.

The Turks brought this on themselves. Your people celebrated violence against the Kurds, so the Kurds have every right to fight back.

Kurdistan will emerge, whether you like it or not.
 
The truth hurts, doesn't it? :dirol:
No, I am proud of it. Besides, an old photo only proves your misery ;)
In contrary to you people we dont leave our country, our soldiers dont desert, they dont seek refugee in Europe and get treated like dirt, they fight.
She(?) isn't Kuwaiti, I'm sure she(?) enjoys reading the sorrow of helpless people in your reply...
 
No, I am proud of it. Besides, an old photo only proves your misery ;)
She(?) isn't Kuwaiti, I'm sure she(?) enjoys reading the sorrow of helpless people in your reply...
I'm definitely Kuwaiti lol. And no, I couldn't care less about you Turks. All that matters to me is that the Kurds and other oppressed peoples get their freedom. Enjoy believing your government's propaganda lol. :dirol:
 
What a nonsense side conflict.
ISIS is the enemy. The kurds are our most effective ground force agains ISIS. Italy supports the YPG 100%. Germany supports the YPG 100%.

Turkey supports ISIS...today the Focus magazine reported first time openly that YPG was able to cut off ISIS support streets to turkey.

I dont know if the turks here notice how this shifts? Turkey is portrayed as ISIS supporter. As part of evil while the kurds are shown as heroes. An independend kurdish state is formed in syria and iraq already. US soldiers pose with YPG emblems openly.

The current developments are extreme. The way how far turkey isolates itself is astounding.
 
As I said, whatever makes you feel better as you seem you really need it :)
You still don't get it, do you? It's not about what makes me "feel better". None of this stupid violence makes me feel better you muppet.

It's about reporting the truth and not being biased.

What a nonsense side conflict.
ISIS is the enemy. The kurds are our most effective ground force agains ISIS. Italy supports the YPG 100%. Germany supports the YPG 100%.

Turkey supports ISIS...today the Focus magazine reported first time openly that YPG was able to cut off ISIS support streets to turkey.

I dont know if the turks here notice how this shifts? Turkey is portrayed as ISIS supporter. As part of evil while the kurds are shown as heroes. An independend kurdish state is formed in syria and iraq already. US soldiers pose with YPG emblems openly.

The current developments are extreme. The way how far turkey isolates itself is astounding.
The sad thing is that many people in this part of the world, including myself, used to have a lot of respect for Turkey many years ago. Turkey was heading in the right direction before the Arab Spring. It was becoming more democratic and pluralistic, and it was a great role model for the rest of the Muslim World. Erdogan's government promoted a "zero enemies" foreign policy, made peace with Armenia, recognized the rights of the Kurdish minority, and also made peace with the PKK.

It has all gone downhill since 2011, and especially since the 2013 Gezi Park protests.

Turkey is now gradually becoming a Russian-style autocracy. The country went from having zero enemies to having zero friends because of its aggressive foreign policy. The country abandoned its soft power approach and, instead, adopted a self-destructive hard power policy. Erdogan abandoned the Kurdish peace process and started an unwinnable war against PKK guerrillas in order to gain more votes from the Turkish ultra-nationalists so that he can consolidate more political power for himself.

Meanwhile, Turkey has directly and indirectly given support to radical Islamic terrorist groups in places like Syria. The Turkish military is committing war crimes against unarmed Kurdish civilians in the southeast of the country, and the national economy has begun to stagnate.

The saddest part is that many Turks fail to appreciate what is happening to their country. They either deny what's happening, or, worse still, they try to defend what Erdogan's doing.

I personally have nothing against Turkey. In fact, I've defended and praised Turkey many times over the years. But Turkey is now going down the wrong path, and it's a real pity that the Turks can't see this.

The PKK conflict only has a political solution. There is no military solution. Turkey's wasting billions of dollars on an unwinnable war. Guerrilla groups and ideologies cannot be defeated conventionally or militarily. The best way to end the PKK conflict is to grant the oppressed Kurdish minority more cultural and political rights.

As for ISIS, Turkey needs a huge political shakeup in order to get rid of its ISIS sympathizers. As long as the AKP is in power, and as long as madmen such as Erdogan are at the helm, support for ISIS-like groups won't go away. It's a real shame.
 
Ahahah

:lol:

According to the International Crisis Group, 503 Turkish security personnel and 436 PKK-linked militants have been killed since July 2015:

http://www.crisisgroup.org/en/publication-type/crisiswatch/crisiswatch-database.aspx?CountryIDs={5875B08E-4CDC-4879-9179-17AAE2724AEB}#results

So, numerically speaking, the Turks have so far lost more fighters than the PKK ROFL. :rofl:

The Turks are only good at killing unarmed civilians. When it comes to fighting militants, you lot are incredibly incompetent.

The irony is that you're not even fighting the real PKK. Instead, you're mainly fighting the inexperienced wings of the PKK. :rofl:

Biji Kurdistan u Kurd. 8-)


Bs like the most of your post.
 
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