Issuance of a PAF Standing Order 2002

[abdulbarijan]

Err, nope. This is what I asked for. If you have some comprehension or reading skill, you would have noticed that in post number 26. Can you read? huh?? no words, ... true, but in an ironic way...



I dunno what we called pakistan back in 1971, oh wait, how silly of me, Pakistan!

OMG.... Funny as hell. Since 2000? why arbitrary number? why not 1998? the whole thread is about what changed between 1999 and 2002...

Damn if only I had some reading skills --- and for the 1971 comment that you guys absolutely adore to bring in --- We didn't go, "we'll bang the living $hoot out of you" and when the time came went " oh no !! we were just kidding" ---

Oh wait that was India in 2002, 2008 and 2015 ---

 

[Sneaker]

Damn if only I had some reading skills ---

By the way, lets not forget 1965 then, same tall claims of conquering Pakistan, and when push came to shove then reports like this surfaced

Correct, if only. If only you could substantiate lot of thinks you pulled out from thin air in this thread, if only you could demonstrate how gen 3 fighters are superior to 4+ gen ones.. if only... huh, it's gonna be a never ending list...

 

[Thorough Pro]

Fortunately last time they had sensible people in power, this time it's street gangsters turned politicians full of false bravado with no brains.

Last time, Indians had planned to launch attack on the night of 28/29 May. Once the reality settled in, they chickened out, however a week later sent a UAV instead, which was blown out of the sky.

 

[abdulbarijan]

Correct, if only. If only you could substantiate lot of thinks you pulled out from thin air in this thread, if only you could demonstrate how gen 3 fighters are superior to 4+ gen ones.. if only... huh, it's gonna be a never ending list...

Why should I need to substantiate anything -- because it doesn't even matter no more --- your just angry that when push came to shove your army or political establishment whichever made the decision, did make the decision of going back after putting claims like the ones i quoted, hence the fixation of this and this and this would've happened if INDIA & Pak did go to war ---

HELLO --- REALITY CHECK --- THEY DIDN'T --- AND IT WAS INDIA's DECISION NOT TO -- The same India that was talking of teaching lessons or being ready to carry out surgical strikes --- or war mongering through its media of how it'll destroy Pakistan in ten steps ---
Incidentally -- as Pakistan vows to strike back --- India goes -- okay-- time to go-- they look serious --

 

[Sneaker]

Why should I need to substantiate anything -- because it doesn't even matter no more --- your just angry that when push came to shove your army or political establishment whichever made the decision, did make the decision of going back after putting claims like the ones i quoted, hence the fixation of this and this and this would've happened if INDIA & Pak did go to war ---

HELLO --- REALITY CHECK --- THEY DIDN'T --- AND IT WAS INDIA's DECISION NOT TO -- The same India that was talking of teaching lessons or being ready to carry out surgical strikes --- or war mongering through its media of how it'll destroy Pakistan in ten steps --- Incidentally enough -- as Pakistan vows to strike back --- India goes -- okay-- time to go-- they look serious --

The whole point is pakistan wasn't in any position to strike back.. nor in 2002 neither today. As I said earlier, there are many reasons why india didn't go to war, neither of which is "pakistan strikes back"

 

[MastanKhan]

So what changed in 2002 compared to 1999? New inductions? BVRs? Did US supply required spares and F16s? If nothing changed, then how could PAF retaliate against IAF in a full scale war?
I am solely referring to kargil war (not that I agree with your assertions of 1965 and 71, but that is OT). It was a mauling of PA by IAF...?

Hi,

The bottomline is that both the times in 2002 and Mumbai issue---India came in swinging and backed down after a while---. Regardless of if we had anything different or not---does not make any difference.

U S did not have to supply the spares----they became available on open market after 9/11 the moment Pakistan sided with the U S and the immediate need was fulfilled within the first 60 days for crucial items.

 

[abdulbarijan]

The whole point is pakistan wasn't in any position to strike back.. nor in 2002 neither today. As I said earlier, there are many reasons why india didn't go to war, neither of which is "pakistan strikes back"

Because our political indecision. There was no doubt of gains in case of war but we knew that there would be losses of our soldiers and assets too. On top of that danger of nuclear war. All this lead to our govt not setting proper goals for armed forces. The whole idea was to pressurize pak into closing terror infrastructure but not corner it too much to risk a nuclear war.

I think im missing those reading/comprehension skills again ...

Nope.. still not enough... "defending temporarily" is not "striking back". Sure they could have defended for a week, but striking back, no way... except backed by external powers (US)..

Well since im missing those comprehension skills, would you be kind enough as to classify the risk of the response on Indian offense by the Pakistani military in shape of attacks on Indian soil or a nuclear tipped missile attack on Indian soil (something you yourself have acknowledged as I have quoted above) as "defending temporarily" or "striking back" ---

 

[Sneaker]

Hi,

The bottomline is that both the times in 2002 and Mumbai issue---India came in swinging and backed down after a while---. Regardless of if we had anything different or not---does not make any difference.

U S did not have to supply the spares----they became available on open market after 9/11 the moment Pakistan sided with the U S and the immediate need was fulfilled within the first 60 days for crucial items.

Thanks! This was exactly my question. Alliance with US, more than the spares...

I think im missing those reading/comprehension skills again ...

Nope.. still not enough... "defending temporarily" is not "striking back". Sure they could have defended for a week, but striking back, no way... except backed by external powers (US)..

 

[Thorough Pro]

Too retard to understand the difference, let me help you What we are doing is showing confidence and strong will to defend against aggression, what you people are doing is delusional masturbation thinking indian forces can cross in to Pakistan.

Here we go on one side Pakistani members blobbering and chest thumping against India.. Pakistan can do this Pakistan issued that etc. on other side they Blame India as war mongering and cowards... see each and every thread created by specific members is against India and it will be based on personal opinions, twitters and inside sources... like if we really care about Pakistan. ... you guys struck in a loop with no future....

 

[SecularNationalist]

That,s the only language a 4 feet 10 inch indian understand .

 

[Abhitej]

Yes India government and its people are so peaceful that they just want to attack Pakistan since 2002 but evil Pakistan always jeopardize Indian peaceful plan of attacking Pakistan. so sad.

There is no need for India to attack Pakistan. You people are doing a good job of destroying your country. We just have to wait & watch for opportunities like 1971.

 

[Windjammer]

There is no need for India to attack Pakistan. You people are doing a good job of destroying your country. We just have to wait & watch for opportunities like 1971.

A little correction for you, India can not attack Pakistan, however your clay footed politicians have the habit of creating war hysteria and tension on the border. As for 1971, hate to shatter your illusions but i do like the sight of Pakistani flags constantly appearing in places like IOK and even in Assam.

 

[Abhitej]

A little correction for you, India can not attack Pakistan, however your clay footed politicians have the habit of creating war hysteria and tension on the border. As for 1971, hate to shatter your illusions but i do like the sight of Pakistani flags constantly appearing in places like IOK and even in Assam.

India has changed under Modi. He has already killed many Pakis by shelling on border. When situation warrants he will attack Pakistan. There are **** flags waving by separatists in Kashmir but that has been happening since ages nothing new. Its quite harmless.

 

[Skywalker]

Just bomb their Karachi port, create blockade and they will be left with just 1 week of fuel supply . Their PAF shaheens will become sitting ducks . One week is the time frame of war. They will be able to inflict only low damage to our air bases near border. That's all

Subha hogayie ab mamoon..uth jao.

India has changed under Modi. He has already killed many Pakis by shelling on border. When situation warrants he will attack Pakistan. There are **** flags waving by separatists in Kashmir but that has been happening since ages nothing new. Its quite harmless.

Not surprise that an Indian is chest thumping on killing innocent un armed civilians, do you want us to return the favour.

 

[Abhitej]

Subha hogayie ab mamoon..uth jao.


Not surprise that an Indian is chest thumping on killing innocent un armed civilians, do you want us to return the favour.

Civilians are collateral damage. Target are **** army. It is responsibility of Pakistan to not let their citizens be collateral damage by stopping provoking India. Last time your army raised white flag so what favor you will return I don't understand.