Issuance of a PAF Standing Order 2002

[Lavrentiy]

Where was this super duper Air Defense during the Bin Laden raid?

Now don't say that the armed forces knew about this raid because that would IMPLY that Bin Laden was being protected by the military itself.

You can't have it both ways: either Bin Laden was being protected or the Air Defense was incompetent.

 

[danger007]

India is a terrorist state.Your PM admits it.

OBL raid carried out by US in India. .. US drones attacking our soil..

 

[JOEY TRIBIANI]

"Attack ay counter maro , Phir subha saweray phir maro" ......... ......... Shaba mushi shaba ...

 

[Sunan]

OBL raid carried out by US in India. .. US drones attacking our soil..

You have sponsored terrorism in East pakistan your PM admits that.you created Tamil Tigers in Srilanka.You are sponsoring terrorism in Pakistan and your state is doing that not the non state actors.So India is a terrorist state.

 

[abdulbarijan]

OBL raid carried out by US in India. .. US drones attacking our soil..

US was the same country that branded the very same people "freedom fighters" back were they were doing their bidding in Afghanistan -- But as far as India goes

- Didn't Modi just accepted that India was shoulder to shoulder with Mukti Bahni rebels which by the way would classify as the first instance of cross border terrorism ...

- Didn't India support the Tamil tigers ?

- Wasn't it Ajit Deol who suggested that India is using an "offensive defense" doctrine, which encompasses the usage of taliban (by financing/weaponizing them) against Pakistan ...

On one end, India is crying like a divorced lady over how its facing terrorism from Pakistani soil, yet with the same mouth is accepting that it has a history of using cross border terrorism itself -- just like on one hand your whining about how Pakistanis are outraged over social media and different defense forums --- yet you refuse to take a look at what caused the event in the first place --- i.e. YOUR GOVERNMENT'S STATEMENTS

 

[Skywalker]

Here we go on one side Pakistani members blobbering and chest thumping against India.. Pakistan can do this Pakistan issued that etc. on other side they Blame India as war mongering and cowards... see each and every thread created by specific members is against India and it will be based on personal opinions, twitters and inside sources... like if we really care about Pakistan. ... you guys struck in a loop with no future....

If you don't care then what are you doin here in Pakistani forum.

 

[danger007]

If you don't care then what are you doin here in Pakistani forum.

logic please. .

 

[Pakistani till death]

Musharaff was a great coas and a leader and now thanks to Allah we have another tiger leading our army!

 

[Windjammer]

OBL raid carried out by US in India. .. US drones attacking our soil..

And the likes of Sajjan Kumar and Captain Purohit are pride products of Indian soil.

 

[Sage]

This time it's not going to be Operation Sentinel, It be Operation Balad Kaar ...or Operation Kama Sutra ...

Last time, Indians had planned to launch attack on the night of 28/29 May. Once the reality settled in, they chickened out, however a week later sent a UAV instead, which was blown out of the sky.

Now is the time Pakistan ban everything coming from India ....We must declare complete quarantine on India to teach Modi some manners !

 

[Sneaker]

So what changed from 1999 when PAF stood as mute spectator to the mauling received by PA from IAF? Reason given was lack of spares (kaiser Tufail said it, I think). How did PAF drastically recover from a situation when they couldn't engage IAF in limited war but all of a sudden ready to fight a full scale war, in 2 years?

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

So what changed from 1999 when PAF stood as mute spectator to the mauling received by PA from IAF? Reason given was lack of spares (kaiser Tufail said it, I think). How did PAF drastically recover from a situation when they couldn't engage IAF in limited war but all of a sudden ready to fight a full scale war, in 2 years?

Sanctions meanwhile you were free to buy and equip yourself with russian help we were put under sanctions by USA our largest arms supplier.. Apart from spares the delivery of almost 3 dozen F-16s (which we had paid for) was also stopped thanks to preslers amendment.


The Chinese didn't have anything except F-7s or A-5s...

The 90s is called the "Lost decade"... By Pakistanis for a reason..


As for mauling .. Tough words.. Considering your past record be it 65 or even the air warfare of 71.

 

[TheNoob]

Where was this super duper Air Defense during the Bin Laden raid?

Now don't say that the armed forces knew about this raid because that would IMPLY that Bin Laden was being protected by the military itself.

You can't have it both ways: either Bin Laden was being protected or the Air Defense was incompetent.

dont be an idiot.

There probably was behind the door deal with it.

Otherwise those choppers wouldnt even make it inside.

 

[Windjammer]

So what changed from 1999 when PAF stood as mute spectator to the mauling received by PA from IAF? Reason given was lack of spares (kaiser Tufail said it, I think). How did PAF drastically recover from a situation when they couldn't engage IAF in limited war but all of a sudden ready to fight a full scale war, in 2 years?

In 1999, all the fighting took place on Indian side of LOC and that's where the IAF conducted some strikes, as soon as couple of IAF MiGs crossed the LOC, they were toast. Neither air force carried out missions on the other side so how did you conclude that PAF stood mute.

 

[Sneaker]

Sanctions meanwhile you were free to buy and equip yourself with russian help we were put under sanctions by USA our largest arms supplier.. Apart from spares the delivery of almost 3 dozen F-16s (which we had paid for) was also stopped thanks to preslers amendment.

The Chinese didn't have anything except F-7s or A-5s...

The 90s is called the "Lost decade"... By Pakistanis for a reason..


As for mauling .. Tough words.. Considering your past record be it 65 or even the air warfare of 71.

So what changed in 2002 compared to 1999? New inductions? BVRs? Did US supply required spares and F16s? If nothing changed, then how could PAF retaliate against IAF in a full scale war?
I am solely referring to kargil war (not that I agree with your assertions of 1965 and 71, but that is OT). It was a mauling of PA by IAF...

In 1999, all the fighting took place on Indian side of LOC and that's where the IAF conducted some strikes, as soon as couple of IAF MiGs crossed the LOC, they were toast. Neither air force carried out missions on the other side so how did you conclude that PAF stood mute.

Muntho Dhalo was, and still is, in pakistani side of LOC. And looks like you haven't read Kaiser Tufail's narration incident where is "toast" MiG locked on to and unnerved PAF pilot. Plus, PAF had nothing to do in 3 cases where IAF/IA air assets were downed, it was PA with MANPADS. In any case, PAF would be required to cross into Indian side of LOC in 2002, in case of war, right? If it couldn't do it in 1999, how could it do the same in 2002?