Israel’s Antimissile System Attracts Potential Buyers

[Jason bourne]

Iron Dome's radar is multimission. It can be used both as artillery radar to locate source of fire (up to 100 km) and as air surveillance radar to detect and track planes, helicopters, UAVs (up to 470 km).

now thats sound interesting india can utilize on border to find out terrorist arms cache ...or i am not getting something ?

 

[500]

Thats the point, Iron dome is no designed to tackle large MBRL and artllery barrages, its designed for asymmetrical warfare where the adversary will launch small scale attacks at a time like what Hamas does or what Talibans do in afganistan. Long range MBRLs (120 km), short range MBRLs (50Km) batteries (20-30 launcher vehicles) will fire 240-360 guided rockets in first salvo, forget about salvos coming later. Now, this is beyond the capability of iron dome radar that cannot target 240-360 rockets simultaneously even if it can track 200 simultaneously.

You really think that you can concentrate 20-30 heavy launchers to attack one target? What rockets are you talking about BTW? Also such a large batteries would be very vulnerable to counter battery fire. Also if u concentrate such a large battery you reveal to enemy that you are scheming something.

now thats sound interesting india can utilize on border to find out terrorist arms cache ...or i am not getting something ?

It can locate artillery or rocket launcher. Once round or rocket is fired, radar can detect it, calculate ts trajectory and locate the source of fire - weapon that fired it. It cant locate cashes.

 

[Hobo1]

In india pak war scenario if we see they are lots of aggressive weapon which can be use by pakistan to target strategic asset like airforce base ,industries,oil reserve and we have SAM for that .
I dont understand why we are spending top dollar for defensive weapons when we can buying offensive weapon and let pakistan spend money in SAM but its vice versa.though pakistan is small but all the weapon system they have is very offensive in nature and on other hand we are busy making AAD and PAD,

We should develop or buy more aggressive weapon system not defence i.e i think we don't need iron dome.

We got plenty stuff to completely annihalte Pakistan but what we need i stuff like AADs and Iron drome so that we can keep our cities and important industrial centers safe in event of war.
Moreover we don't need our weapons to destroy Pakistan they themselves are doing very fine job.

 

[sancho]

now thats sound interesting india can utilize on border to find out terrorist arms cache ...or i am not getting something ?

That's why the radar is indeed itneresting for us, but combine it with a gun system and Maitri and Akash SAM and you have very good point defence capabilities against different targets, from different ranges.

 

[Jason bourne]

That's why the radar is indeed itneresting for us, but combine it with a gun system and Maitri and Akash SAM and you have very good point defence capabilities against different targets, from different ranges.

The best possible reason u can think abt india choosing IRON DOME ?

 

[sancho]

The best possible reason u can think abt india choosing IRON DOME ?

India has not chosen it and so far it didn't got much export orders either, but it is a good system when you want to defend your, but as mentioned, today you need different systems for different threats and a combined defence systems.

 

[Jason bourne]

India has not chosen it and so far it didn't got much export orders either, but it is a good system when you want to defend your, but as mentioned, today you need different systems for different threats and a combined defence systems.

I mean india showed interest in buying and the point is what can we defend by IRON DOME ???

 

[sancho]

I mean india showed interest in buying and the point is what can we defend by IRON DOME ???

Not necessarily, Indian forces generally keep themself informed about the use of certain weapon systems during conflicts. We have seen the same after the Libyan conflict as well, when IAF asked for operational infos on Storm Shadow at British Forces for example, which could be about tactics and not directly for about a procurement.
We could defend certain targets close to the Indo-Pak borders, that are within the range of artillery, mortars, or rocket attacks.

 

[Abingdonboy]

I can see utility in the Iron Dome vis-a-vis India only really along the LoC were PA and IA arty units regularly exchange fire. In some cases PA arty fire is linked to cover for infiltrators trying to get into JK- Iron dome could be effective in neutrilsing this threat to villages and IA posts along the LoC. There could also be utility in the system for advancing mech forces if the Iron Dome system is transported along with them to protect advancing columns in enemy territory from counter attack. I think for India's layerd BMD program David Sling is a better option with the Iron Dome for the LoC.

 

[Armstrong]

I can see utility in the Iron Dome vis-a-vis India only really along the LoC were PA and IA arty units regularly exchange fire. In some cases PA arty fire is linked to cover for infiltrators trying to get into JK- Iron dome could be effective in neutrilsing this threat to villages and IA posts along the LoC. There could also be utility in the system for advancing mech forces if the Iron Dome system is transported along with them to protect advancing columns in enemy territory from counter attack. I think for India's layerd BMD program David Sling is a better option with the Iron Dome for the LoC.

Can the Iron-Dome target artillery shells ? Wouldn't the projectile be far too smaller in size at high speeds & without a heat-trail to lock onto or to detect with relative ease i.e relative to a rocket ?

 

[Abingdonboy]

Can the Iron-Dome target artillery shells ? Wouldn't the projectile be far too smaller in size at high speeds & without a heat-trail to lock onto or to detect with relative ease i.e relative to a rocket ?

Yep, at least that's what they claim:

Iron Dome - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

http://www.rafael.co.il/marketing/SIP_STORAGE/FILES/6/946.pdf

Close up on Israel's Iron Dome air defence system - ITV News

Iron Dome - Israel's New Rocket, Mortar and Artillery Interceptor

 

[Jason bourne]

Not necessarily, Indian forces generally keep themself informed about the use of certain weapon systems during conflicts. We have seen the same after the Libyan conflict as well, when IAF asked for operational infos on Storm Shadow at British Forces for example, which could be about tactics and not directly for about a procurement.
We could defend certain targets close to the Indo-Pak borders, that are within the range of artillery, mortars, or rocket attacks.

Ohk understood that means showing interest doesnt mean for buying only thanks

 

[BlueDot_in_Space]

You really think that you can concentrate 20-30 heavy launchers to attack one target? What rockets are you talking about BTW? Also such a large batteries would be very vulnerable to counter battery fire. Also if u concentrate such a large battery you reveal to enemy that you are scheming something.

Then Problem solved, Iron dome is a waste for conventional warfare and only good for asymmetrical warfare.

 

[JayAtl]

What I'm reading here is

1. People think Pakistan can fire and keep supporting high numbers of missile salvos. I guess the thinking is they will have thousands of missiles and rockets that will keep firing at India, but somehow India after first round or several rounds of it being intercepted, wont have an offensive strategy that gets a reprieve at first because of Iron dome, to go into effect?

2. If it is not 100% shield then 80% of it is taken out is not worth it

3. just because we have cities further away in distance vs Israel. somehow not intercepting them from closer to the border is not desirable

 

[BlueDot_in_Space]

What I'm reading here is

1. People think Pakistan can fire and keep supporting high numbers of missile salvos. I guess the thinking is they will have thousands of missiles and rockets that will keep firing at India, but somehow India after first round or several rounds of it being intercepted, wont have an offensive strategy that gets a reprieve at first because of Iron dome, to go into effect?

2. If it is not 100% shield then 80% of it is taken out is not worth it

3. just because we have cities further away in distance vs Israel. somehow not intercepting them from closer to the border is not desirable

Iron dome is designed keeping Hamas threat in mind, i.e., asymmetrical warfare.