Israel’s Antimissile System Attracts Potential Buyers

[BlueDot_in_Space]

You repeat it 20 times but failed to answer me which heavy MBRL will be employed by Pakistan in large salvos.

A simple search could have given you the answer. AR-2, Chinese name, PHL03 is a 12 Barrel MBRL system with a reported 150KM range, while A-100 is a 10 Barrel 120KM range system.

 

[BlueDot_in_Space]

dude, you are assuming that this being touted as be all it be system needing no additional layers of protection. what you are forgetting is the technology aspect of it which is proven highly effective which can be built upon. What you are also forgetting is that there are hot spots and not so hot spots like large cities that can also be targeted. So it takes additional batteries today , so what? the total amount of batteries needed for that country is stated to be 8 , they had only 3 or 4 this time around ready.

your fundamental argument is still flawed that just because it grabs 80% it is to be dismissed. in a war theater you have no clue what all assets need protecting. Bridges for example in remote areas or highways that could be the main artery for transportation of human and military assets. Things by it self that have high value but no population around it. The mobility of the iron dome making it all the more effective over.

Not fundamental argument. My argument is this type of system is only economically sustainable in protecting an area from asymmetric warfare scenarios like against Hamas and Talibans rocket fires. It is not sustainable against an enemy like PA that can swamp the system with MBRLs and artillery fire.

 

[500]

A simple search could have given you the answer. AR-2, Chinese name, PHL03 is a 12 Barrel MBRL system with a reported 150KM range, while A-100 is a 10 Barrel 120KM range system.

Good, so how many such systems has Pakistan?

He is right, let's suppose that the Syrian army three years ago involved in a war with Israel, how would you deal with 800+ MBRL which they had, I understand most of them are small caliber but their range varies between 30-150 km...

90% of them are close range out of remaining majority will be taken out by air force those few that will launch will be intercepted. In same time with interception Iron Dome will locate their source and our air force, artillery and Spikes and will wipe out them so they will never fire again.

 

[Archdemon]

The problem with Iron Dome was its failures in handling a large number of missiles simultaneously, even if directed at important directions.

Define large number of missiles simultaneously

 

[Archdemon]

Can the Iron-Dome target artillery shells ? Wouldn't the projectile be far too smaller in size at high speeds & without a heat-trail to lock onto or to detect with relative ease i.e relative to a rocket ?

Tamir missile of Iron Dome dont have any sensors on board to lock on the target, it is guided by main RADAR

 

[Armstrong]

Good, so how many such systems has Pakistan?

A total of 36 were ordered after the trials in '08 with TOT for the ammunition & claims of follow up orders in the subsequent years so I dunno but a bare minimum of 36 is what could be considered.

 

[Mitro]

We got plenty stuff to completely annihalte Pakistan but what we need i stuff like AADs and Iron drome so that we can keep our cities and important industrial centers safe in event of war.
Moreover we don't need our weapons to destroy Pakistan they themselves are doing very fine job.

Good luck with your wet dream in reality AAD and PAD if oeprational will only protect mumbai and Delhi ,what about other city and as i said previsely MIRV will easily counter AAD and PAD my point is to go for aggressive weapon system not defensive and by doing that we can change pakistan to go defensive whats wrong in that.
Iron dome Sucks

 

[Armstrong]

Tamir missile of Iron Dome dont have any sensors on board to lock on the target, it is guided by main RADAR

Can the main radar lock onto an artillery shell ? I know a rocket presents quite a conspicuous target but a shell fired from a 155mm howitzer is a bit different....no ?

 

[Kloitra]

Can the main radar lock onto an artillery shell ? I know a rocket presents quite a conspicuous target but a shell fired from a 155mm howitzer is a bit different....no ?

An S band radar in theory can image objects (at least) as small as 40mm, depending on the architecture (size/configuration etc). Artillery shells are generally much bigger: >155mm x 500mm.

 

[Developereo]

Tamir missile of Iron Dome dont have any sensors on board to lock on the target, it is guided by main RADAR

It has a heat sensor which can track its assigned target autonomously once locked on.

However, Iron Dome's biggest strength (target discrimination based on projected trajectory) only applies to really dumb rockets. There are numerous ways to overburden ID and any professional army, including the PA, would be up to the job.

 

[cloud_9]

However, Iron Dome's biggest strength (target discrimination based on projected trajectory) only applies to really dumb rockets.There are numerous ways to overburden ID and any professional army, including the PA, would be up to the job.

I think the Iron Dome & David's Sling use IAI ELM- 2084 (MMR)...Good Luck with the overburdning

Don't we already have these radars for tracking dumb flying objects

PS - Why are some Indians acting all but* hurt

*takes off his kipa *

 

[Developereo]

I think the Iron Dome & David's Sling use IAI ELM- 2048 (MMR)...Good Luck with the overburdning

The comment of overburdening is not about the radar, but the system as a whole and its purported advantages.

Please buy LOTS of Iron Dome systems and put your faith in them.

Please!

 

[cloud_9]

The comment of overburdening is not about the radar, but the system as a whole and its purported advantages.

I bet X no of systems aren't just randomly deployed.....a lot of homework is done before doing that.

Please buy LOTS of Iron Dome systems and put your faith in them.

Well I'm not anyway realted to MoD....All I can do is argue on the Internet

Please!

 

[Archdemon]

It has a heat sensor which can track its assigned target autonomously once locked on.

However, Iron Dome's biggest strength (target discrimination based on projected trajectory) only applies to really dumb rockets. There are numerous ways to overburden ID and any professional army, including the PA, would be up to the job.

The missile does not have heat sensor nor any other type of sensors!

what ways are you talking about, such as?

 

[Kloitra]

It has a heat sensor which can track its assigned target autonomously once locked on.

However, Iron Dome's biggest strength (target discrimination based on projected trajectory) only applies to really dumb rockets. There are numerous ways to overburden ID and any professional army, including the PA, would be up to the job.

Before I was also arguing it can be overburdened. But I have realized it is not easy.

PA would be targeting military bases/strategic assets. Such places would also be protected by offensive equipments. To overburden ID, PA would need to place rockets launchers/artillery close.If Indian forces don't realizes the placement and take other countermeasures, when the firing start, ID can locate the source. By the time enough projectiles have been fired that can overpower ID, Indian forces can launch an offensive too.

That is, ID would be effective in a scenario when there are offensive and defensive systems at work in conjugation. If it is solely ID, than yes it can be overpowered. But than something so close to border with just one defensive layer and no offensive one would mean it is not so important for India. Than PA would be wasting its resources mounting a large scale attack on it. And yes, ID would mean PA would waste more resources. It is a cheap missile, as long as it is countering other missiles, it would make the enemy use more resources. Though that would not be the case if it has to counter artillery.

Other option would be to place large enough attack to overpower both offensive and defensive systems of India. But that would require placing a big force including artillery, rockets and systems to negate Indian offensive. But that would mean placing a big force near Indian installation. That would be a dead give away of the intentions!