Israel-Palestinian Conflict Resurgence 2021: Al-Aqsa attacks, riots, rockets, military clashes and Jerusalem conflict 2v

[Adecypher]

Actually some were my mistakes and some were misinterpretation but I could see their point so I didn't question it.

The fact they answered was enough to kill the issue. So I am happy and I hope they are too

Brother you have a good heart ... keep it that way

 

[thetutle]

CHINESE...

Without huge natural resources, they were able to transform completely in 50 years. I have seen that time when most of them used bicycles to travel. Now they have largest rail network.

They are giving the US hard time in every field.

Of course they are, and I was alive when they had a famine that killed millions. But they reformed in 1978 and have been subservient to the west, keeping their head low and their mouth shut, getting new investments and technology and buidling their country up. And now they are showing their power.
The westerners made a huge mistake and instead of containing China in 2000 or so, they embarked upon a killing spree in the middle east egged on by the Jewish lobby. And that will cost them incredibly. including me who lives in a western country.

now the arabs could do this. But they don’t know how. The only
Hope for the Muslim world is Pakistan, Turkey and Iran. They all have a different strategy. We will see who does the best. It’s probably Pakistan

 

[Lincoln]

So finally people have started realizing the emotions don't win wars, strategy and perseverance do, whether it takes 20 odd years to achieve something.

In those 20 years, don't sign an agreement on any more land handover.. but try to get women and small children migrated from there, get educated, raise a very intelligent new generation that becomes leaders scientists, chemists, writers etc.

Gazans have an impressive literacy rate.. over 90%. They can make a better strategy than Af Talibs, who are successful in eventually kicking out NATO from Afghanistan. The brain behind that was Pakistan though.

Palestinians need to consult countries like Pakistan, which are able to avoid terrorist tag despite kicking the butts of NATO while providing them corridors.. THIS IS WHAT I CALL STRATEGY... THAT WINS WARS FOR YOU.. ROCKETS, MISSILES, EVEN AIRFORCES, DON'T.

If Israel wants further land, let them have it.. without compromising on the ownership.. constantly remind them that the whole land is a Palestinian land.. there is not an inch of Israeli land in that region. They can go fcuk themselves in Poland or Austria where they have come from.

What is a two state solution?? It's nothing other than giving up. Don't give up your right..

RETREAT IS PART OF WAR WHEN DONE AT THE RIGHT TIME.

This is a strategy that Hamas doesn't realize. Their rockets, while justified to an extent, aren't helping them. It's just an excuse for Israel to destroy more, and more, Palestinian infrastructure and kill scores until subjugation.

But, there are two primary concerns.

1. On one hand, there is always fear that if the issue is allowed to linger on without confrontation, it will be forgotten and the world will simply accept it to be, which is what's happening. Leave it further, and the issue might dissolve completely for the West.

But, perhaps they shouldn't care about the West anymore. The Arabs had an unprecedented opportunity to take back Palestinian land in 1967 when no one even stood up for Israel, the USSR backed Arabs with intelligence and military equipment which was superior in number. Yet, the military strategy, training and coordination was so bad, Egypt, Jordan and Syria were defeated and Israel came to the banks of the Suez canal growing 3x in size.

2. Israelis know well, they won't allow any cease fire or negotiations unless it involves the disarmament, and demilitarization, of the Palestinians. Look at West Bank, it's divided into 3 zones, 1 is under complete Israeli authority, 2 is under joint security arrangements, while 3 is the only one under PLO, and their only ability is to patrol as a police force. The Israelis don't even allow PLO to work as a police force in the whole of West Bank.

So the question arises, even if Hamas were to back down at this point, how would they build up military power and might to take on a very stubborn Israel. You can produce scientists, an educated population, and so on and so forth, but that won't stpop Israel from preventing military armament and choking Palestine when it comes to it.


The buildup of military strength needs to be outside Palestine where Israel will be less hesitant to strike. You absolutely need Egypt, Jordan and Syria on board for that. Without these countries, there is no long term military solution to the conflict either.

CHINESE...

Without huge natural resources, they were able to transform completely in 50 years. I have seen that time when most of them used bicycles to travel. Now they have largest rail network.

They are giving the US hard time in every field.

The Chinese military buildup at the same time could not be contained or kept in check by any country.

The vice versa is not true for Palestine.

 

[Clutch]

This is a strategy that Hamas doesn't realize. Their rockets, while justified to an extent, aren't helping them. It's just an excuse for Israel to destroy more, and more, Palestinian infrastructure and kill scores until subjugation.

But, there are two primary concerns.

1. On one hand, there is always fear that if the issue is allowed to linger on without confrontation, it will be forgotten and the world will simply accept it to be, which is what's happening. Leave it further, and the issue might dissolve completely for the West.

But, perhaps they shouldn't care about the West anymore. The Arabs had an unprecedented opportunity to take back Palestinian land in 1967 when no one even stood up for Israel, the USSR backed Arabs with intelligence and military equipment which was superior in number. Yet, the military strategy, training and coordination was so bad, Egypt, Jordan and Syria were defeated and Israel came to the banks of the Suez canal growing 3x in size.

2. Israelis know well, they won't allow any cease fire or negotiations unless it involves the disarmament, and demilitarization, of the Palestinians. Look at West Bank, it's divided into 3 zones, 1 is under complete Israeli authority, 2 is under joint security arrangements, while 3 is the only one under PLO, and their only ability is to patrol as a police force. The Israelis don't even allow PLO to work as a police force in the whole of West Bank.

So the question arises, even if Hamas were to back down at this point, how would they build up military power and might to take on a very stubborn Israel. You can produce scientists, an educated population, and so on and so forth, but that won't stpop Israel from preventing military armament and choking Palestine when it comes to it.


The buildup of military strength needs to be outside Palestine where Israel will be less hesitant to strike. You absolutely need Egypt, Jordan and Syria on board for that. Without these countries, there is no long term military solution to the conflict either.

The only solution to the Palestinian Ethnic Cleansing and Extermination by Israel is an invasion by a Turkish lead Muslim coalition of perhaps Pakistan/Malaysia/Iran+few others. It will be mostly non-arab. Arabs have given up and instead more interested in building stupid useless tall buildings.

 

[Titanium100]

This is a strategy that Hamas doesn't realize. Their rockets, while justified to an extent, aren't helping them. It's just an excuse for Israel to destroy more, and more, Palestinian infrastructure and kill scores until subjugation.

But, there are two primary concerns.

1. On one hand, there is always fear that if the issue is allowed to linger on without confrontation, it will be forgotten and the world will simply accept it to be, which is what's happening. Leave it further, and the issue might dissolve completely for the West.

But, perhaps they shouldn't care about the West anymore. The Arabs had an unprecedented opportunity to take back Palestinian land in 1967 when no one even stood up for Israel, the USSR backed Arabs with intelligence and military equipment which was superior in number. Yet, the military strategy, training and coordination was so bad, Egypt, Jordan and Syria were defeated and Israel came to the banks of the Suez canal growing 3x in size.

2. Israelis know well, they won't allow any cease fire or negotiations unless it involves the disarmament, and demilitarization, of the Palestinians. Look at West Bank, it's divided into 3 zones, 1 is under complete Israeli authority, 2 is under joint security arrangements, while 3 is the only one under PLO, and their only ability is to patrol as a police force. The Israelis don't even allow PLO to work as a police force in the whole of West Bank.

So the question arises, even if Hamas were to back down at this point, how would they build up military power and might to take on a very stubborn Israel. You can produce scientists, an educated population, and so on and so forth, but that won't stpop Israel from preventing military armament and choking Palestine when it comes to it.


The buildup of military strength needs to be outside Palestine where Israel will be less hesitant to strike. You absolutely need Egypt, Jordan and Syria on board for that. Without these countries, there is no long term military solution to the conflict either.

This war is not the first Gaza-Israeli war you wrote this down as if it is the first ever war between them and you also underrating Hamas' resolve and capabilities plus dedication.. This is their 4th war.

In 08 was the toughest war Hamas-Israel had for 3 weeks. There was ground incursion Israel had casualities but Hamas knows what is doing and they are experienced. They know how to fight them.

The israelis may destroy some buildings and kill civilians here and there but Hamas is solid and steadfast beyond dedication. You have to take it from them and Israel has to commit alot of manpower and resources on that effort something it tried before.. Hamas fought back with everything it had. Now they are even better equipped.. Nothing will break Hamas if the 08 war didn't break their will to fight on

 

[Chacha_Facebooka]

The only solution to the Palestinian Ethnic Cleansing and Extermination by Israel is an invasion by a Turkish lead Muslim coalition of perhaps Pakistan/Malaysia/Iran+few others. It will be mostly non-arab. Arabs have given up and instead more interested in building stupid useless tall buildings.

If it were that easy, it would have been done.

 

[Enigma_]

The only solution to the Palestinian Ethnic Cleansing and Extermination by Israel is an invasion by a Turkish lead Muslim coalition of perhaps Pakistan/Malaysia/Iran+few others. It will be mostly non-arab. Arabs have given up and instead more interested in building stupid useless tall buildings.

Invasion yes... but only after decades of meticulous planning, humility and strategy. Not now, they're too strong technologically. Also it is important to be clear that when speaking of the Arabs, it is their leaders that are the puppets. They have been planted to keep the people in a state of disarray and to placate them (or you could say nasha).

 

[Clutch]

If it were that easy, it would have been done.

Agreed... It isn't easy. But nothing earth shattering is easily achieved.

Invasion yes... but only after decades of meticulous planning, humility and strategy. Not now, they're too strong technologically.

Palestinians don't have decades... They are being exterminated and ethnically cleaned (aka forceful evictions) at an accelerated rate...

 

[Enigma_]

Agreed... It isn't easy. But nothing earth shattering is easily achieved.


Palestinians don't have decades... They are being exterminated and ethnically cleaned (aka forceful evictions) at an accelerated rate...

Millions of Palestinians live in Jordan. They're not going anywhere.

 

[Titanium100]

Millions of Palestinians live in Jordan. They're not going anywhere.

These in Gaza or West Bank ain't going anywhere either

 

[thetutle]

The only way to break their cycle completely is simply to force their airforce out of work.. If Hamas just managed to do that now Israel would be in all sorts of trouble. That is why Israel would have major issues with fighting state actors who can take out their airforce their whole stargetic planning will crumble once that occurs.. But they did expose the Iron dome cycle

only take out their airforce. Only!!! Why didn’t they think of that Earlier.

have your thought About what it might take to take out Israel’s airforce? What is your exact plan for this?

 

[Indus Pakistan]

Technically not according to my research 60% of them are from ''Muslim'' countries such as Algeria, Morocco, Tunisa, Turkey, Iran, Pakistan, Azerbaijan, Lebanon, Philstine, Afghanistan, Yemen and other arab countries they make half of the populations or over half.. The other half is East European + West Europeans + Ethiopia

Yes, your right but the founders of Israel were Ashkenazi Jews mostly from Easern Europe/Russia. Most of the German Jews either got wiped out or got refuge in UK or USA. However subsequently many Mizrahi Jews [Asiatic Jews] have migrated as you mentioned and finally the Falasha or African Jews. However the dominant group still is the Eastern European Jews including many recent Russian arrivals.

 

[Titanium100]

only take out their airforce. Only!!! Why didn’t they think of that Earlier.

have your thought About what it might take to take out Israel’s airforce? What is your exact plan for this?

I clearly stated no none-state actors can do that period.. I was not contradicting myself

 

[PakSword]

This is a strategy that Hamas doesn't realize. Their rockets, while justified to an extent, aren't helping them. It's just an excuse for Israel to destroy more, and more, Palestinian infrastructure and kill scores until subjugation.

But, there are two primary concerns.

1. On one hand, there is always fear that if the issue is allowed to linger on without confrontation, it will be forgotten and the world will simply accept it to be, which is what's happening. Leave it further, and the issue might dissolve completely for the West.

But, perhaps they shouldn't care about the West anymore. The Arabs had an unprecedented opportunity to take back Palestinian land in 1967 when no one even stood up for Israel, the USSR backed Arabs with intelligence and military equipment which was superior in number. Yet, the military strategy, training and coordination was so bad, Egypt, Jordan and Syria were defeated and Israel came to the banks of the Suez canal growing 3x in size.

2. Israelis know well, they won't allow any cease fire or negotiations unless it involves the disarmament, and demilitarization, of the Palestinians. Look at West Bank, it's divided into 3 zones, 1 is under complete Israeli authority, 2 is under joint security arrangements, while 3 is the only one under PLO, and their only ability is to patrol as a police force. The Israelis don't even allow PLO to work as a police force in the whole of West Bank.

So the question arises, even if Hamas were to back down at this point, how would they build up military power and might to take on a very stubborn Israel. You can produce scientists, an educated population, and so on and so forth, but that won't stpop Israel from preventing military armament and choking Palestine when it comes to it.


The buildup of military strength needs to be outside Palestine where Israel will be less hesitant to strike. You absolutely need Egypt, Jordan and Syria on board for that. Without these countries, there is no long term military solution to the conflict either.


The Chinese military buildup at the same time could not be contained or kept in check by any country.

The vice versa is not true for Palestine.

Your points definitely require pondering.

This is what these countries who are in covert war against superpowers, such as Pakistan, are best at.

According to the situation, short and long term strategy and goals can be set. We on PDF don't know how these minds, who got away from getting their butts kicked by superpowers in Afghanistan, think.

At this moment, poor Palestinians can't even think properly. Their only goal is to get 10000 rockets and fire them within a week.. Killing 5 Israeli citizens (not even soldiers) and then losing 100s of their own citizens, mostly women and children.

Something can be done that may avoid bloodshed and our poor brothers get their right in the end... whether it takes them 50 years.

 

[Mohamed Bin Tughlaq]

They have been planted to keep the people in a state of disarray and to placate them (or you could say nasha).

I know hating on Arabs is sort of some kind of trend around here.. But change will come from Arabs you better believe that.. Once the house of Saud is toppled you should know.. A disaster will occur worldwide which will lead to tribal rioting in around the Mecca area that will result in the toppling of House of Saud it will be in a period of global disaster probably from an asteroid or comet.. That guy who will ascend the throne and build his own house will be legend and will ethblish one country system for the Ummah.. We will return our the 3rd and final golden age.. The prophet promised us of 3 golden ages in the in the beginning(first 600 years), In the middle (500 years) and last the period (100-150 years)