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Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu embarked Sept. 21 for a meeting with Russian President Vladimir Putin. In an unusual, perhaps even unprecedented move, Netanyahu took Israel Defense Forces Chief of Staff Lt. Gen. Gadi Eizenkot as well as military intelligence chief Maj. Gen. Herzl Halevi with him.

In general, Israeli prime ministers don’t drag chiefs of staff to such meetings. No one expects Putin to sit with Israeli generals over maps and aerial photos. A prime minister could easily limit himself to bringing along his high-ranking military secretary and the head of Military Intelligence’ Research Division. But Netanyahu set his sights high, and going for broke, took with him the national military commander and the national intelligence expert.

The prevailing assessment in Israel is that Netanyahu's reasons for doing so are mixed. One is a photo opportunity on the eve of Yom Kippur. Israel’s security situation is beginning to deteriorate, Jerusalem is burning and Qassam and Grad rockets are beginning to drizzle from Gaza. When Netanyahu flies on a dramatic security mission to the Russian bear and drags such undoubtedly popular public personages as Israel’s chief of staff and military intelligence chief with him, it helps the prime minister shore up his persona as “Mr. Security,” an image that is now beginning to crumble in the current reality.

A second reason: Netanyahu is sending a signal to Washington. Russian involvement in Syria is introducing a new and unexpected player in the world war between Sunnis and Shiites, a war being waged on territories that were once Syria as well as on parts of Iraq, Lebanon, Yemen and other places. While the West vacillates and struggles with existential torment over what to do, how to do it and whether something should be done against these brutes, Putin comes along. He plants a firm Russian boot on the ground in Syria, resoundingly making his presence known.

When an Israeli prime minister rushes to meet Putin before the Americans and Europeans, and takes along with him Israel’s highest-ranking security personages, this is a clear Israeli signal: We are also here. No one has a monopoly and if necessary, Israel will even talk with Russia and try to create joint leverage.

There are other substantive developments. At the beginning of the week, talking on condition of anonymity, a high-ranking IDF officer sharply criticized Russian actions and the dangers faced by Israel from the developing radical Shiite axis. The officer (who is among the IDF’s top brass) used stinging words as he expressed the position of those in the Israeli system who view the Iranian-Shiite-Hezbollah danger as a much more severe threat to Israel than its wayward, crazy sister, the radical Sunni coalition.

“We are in a battle of titans between the Shiite and Sunni axes,” the officer said. “This is a historic event, the biggest saga of our generation. In this equation, it's impossible to determine who is the good part or the bad part. We have to be wary of everyone. Still, when I compare the Sunni radical axis with the Shiite one, it’s clear to me who’s most dangerous. With all due respect to Islamic State achievements, the Sunni threat is along the lines of ‘more of the same.’ It’s something we are familiar with. But the Shiite axis, on the other hand, is based on Iran. We are talking about a regional power that dominates 25% of the world’s natural gas reserves and 11% of its petroleum reserves. It has tremendous human capital, high capabilities in science, technology, infrastructure, operational abilities, cyber developments. Iran, Iraq, Syria, Hezbollah and now also Russia are closing ranks against the Sunni axis — including, to our stupefaction, even an international coalition headed by the United States — and this should worry us. Do we want Iran sitting on our doorstep? Do we want Iran, a country that de facto rules Iraq, Syria and Lebanon and enjoys Russian backup — to win in this confrontation? A country that maintains its standing as a nuclear-threshold state?”

With regard to Russian involvement, the officer was crystal clear and incisive. “This development is very bad for Israel; it significantly strengthens the radical Shiite axis. The Russians aren’t really interested in the Shiites. What they want is to rein in the Sunni awakening that is gushing through the Caucusus. They are embroiled in Dagestan; in Chechnya, they want to halt the Sunni wave that threatens them, thus they are taking action in Syria. Their involvement can rock the boat, even to the extent of leading to a victory for [Syrian President Bashar al-] Assad and Hezbollah with Iran’s backing. Just imagine that after all these events come to an end, Assad remains on his throne with some kind of rulership, with the addition of 7,000 Hezbollah fighters, between 1,000-2,000 Revolutionary Guards and thousands of fighters from Shiite militias who were recruited around the world. All this with Iranian power and Russian backup, and all this in our backyard.”

The officer emphasizes that these forecasts could crumble overnight, and all regional prophecies are mutable. “To the same extent that Russia could gradually increase its involvement, including heavier ground forces, Syria could also become Putin’s Vietnam and embroil Russia in an Afghanistan-type quicksand. It’s impossible to know what will happen. What is clear at this moment is that Assad retains many thousands of Hezbollah fighters, about 1,000 Revolutionary Guard fighters, thousands of Shiite militia fighters and lots and lots of money funneled to him all the time by Iran. Now the Russians are adding themselves to this equation and undermining the equilibrium. Today, Assad is incapable of carrying out any kind of important military campaign without the presence of thousands of foreign fighters in his front lines. Assad has become the puppet of those who assist him, a ruler on life support, but he could also survive the process.”

Al-Monitor asked the officer whether he was equally concerned about the Sunni axis, mainly the Islamic State. “No,” he answered, “Although it’s true that the Sunni axis has scored startling achievements, they are totally isolated and not supported by any significant external power. They are facing off alone against the radical Shiite deployment that is supported by a regional power like Iran, a world power like Russia and an international aerial coalition headed by the United States. All of the world’s largest forces are fighting the Sunni constellation and so far have been unable to overpower it, which is a staggering phenomenon. But still, I am more deterred by an organized, state-power-like system than an unorganized, gang-like apparatus. We are talking about an exquisitely complex situation, and no one knows how it will end and when. We also say this to the Americans.

“Yet still, I think that history proves that large empires coming from the East never bring good tidings to the Jewish people. What we are witnessing now is the return of the Persian Empire. The nuclear agreement between Iran and the West freezes Iran’s nuclear program for a decade or more, but allows Iran to become an empire and increase its activities and influence throughout the Middle East. From our perspective, this is bad news indeed. The Iranian adversary does not resemble any foe we have yet faced, on any scale of magnitude. The Persian civilization is much more impressive, developed and powerful than what we have today among the Arab countries. All this should worry us a lot.”

Israel fears return of Persian Empire - Al-Monitor: the Pulse of the Middle East
 
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Hmm it all sounds like hocus-pocus to me. Here we have, an IDF top brass, openly siding with ISIS. o_O Hello Mr IDF Anonymous Top Brass, ISIS is a threat to many countries. Just because you fear Iran and Hezbollah, by your logic, you'd back ISIS and put many countries in danger? :hitwall:
 
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I think the hate and fear from both sides is completely unwarranted and borders on a lot of misunderstandings. I think that if both countries try they will realize that they are natural allies. I like the culture and the attitudes of both people. It just seems so to me..
 
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Persians treated Jews fairly historically, far better certainly than Assyrians and Babilonians of old. Don`t know why so much fear , even if Iran get nukes i bet nothing will happen to Israel.

That's a historical lie twisted by jews , persians didn't liberate jews frob babylon , they freed the babylonian people from jews , and israel was a place of exile for jews , just because it's on the mediterranean coast doesn't make it a paradise , infact most israelis today admit it's hell ; they only took their girls to the deep corners of the persian empire to marry , like Esther whom Xerxes married .

Hmm it all sounds like hocus-pocus to me. Here we have, an IDF top brass, openly siding with ISIS. o_O Hello Mr IDF Anonymous Top Brass, ISIS is a threat to many countries. Just because you fear Iran and Hezbollah, by your logic, you'd back ISIS and put many countries in danger? :hitwall:

It's not the ISIS they support , it's the syrian people they hate for the 67 and 73 wars and the lebanese people too because they kicked them out of lebanon , it's also their racial - judicial - political complex too , you see they don't hate egyptians for the same reasons , they only hate syrians , Israeli members posting videos of explosions in syria with joy should give you a hint

The age of empires is past. This is the age of alliance, economic development, and scientific achievments

I doubt that , after obama , america will continue it's path downhill and that's decline , syria , ukraine , etc. are just a start of it all , we are in for a massive shift , and israel is a tiny irrelevant country who can easily get lost in the mess without the american christian pro-jewish propaganda machine
 
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No one liked Jews or protected them historically more than Persians. It might be that the average Persian would feel more comfortable towards Israeli Jews than what he would do to Sunni Arabs. The political agenda of the Islamic Republic however always tried to exploit the Palestinian cause as a way to boost its expansion efforts. They know they can't do that expansion with Persian nationalism, nor with Shiasim (openly). Hence, they bash Israel day and night to gain some hearts.

However, the Syrian Civil War burst that big fat bubble once and for all.
 
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and iran is hardly an expansionist state , expansionist is like nazi germany , when we have more than 10 million arabs and 30-40 million turks on our soil we can't be ever "expansionist"

That's more than half your total population.

Then you would have the Azeris and Kurds and Baluch.

So how many Persians are there in Iran today?
 
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The Persian Empire and Zoroastrianism were joined at the hip.

I do not see it happening, to be honest.

Their day passed more than a thousand years ago.

Zoroastrianism wasn't originally an iranian religion , what iranians practiced before and after the achaemenid empire is called by historians "mithraism" , zoroaster they say came from india and was slayed by a scythian foot soldier
 
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Even if you are right , which you are not , the internet says otherwise , every single website that covers the issue of islam and dhimmi's say that the invading arab hords protected "people of the book" (Jews) from their host nation and favored them over their host as part of their bigger so called strategy , this is well documented in Al-andalus (Spain) , where the arabs left tons of jews for the the french to deal with

Iranians are not all more comfortable with jews than a sunni arab , maybe some are curious and ignorant but they certainly don't represent iran ..

and iran is hardly an expansionist state , expansionist is like nazi germany , when we have more than 10 million arabs and 30-40 million turks on our soil we can't be ever "expansionist"

Well, you surly have the right to disagree with me. I gather that you are an Afghani not Iranian. You may still speak Dari though and therefore have better access to Persian people than me. My thought of it however, is that I think protecting Jews and Christians by Arabs or by Muslims in general was for their "citizenship" status. Make no mistake, Arabs have never hated anybody more than Jews (in the past and presence). It is almost impossible for the two people to ever like each other or feel the slightest comfort towards each other. Tolerating them as "citizens" is something else. You didn't also seem to hit the truth when you denied Iran's expansion agenda evidenced by the IRGC's cells in Iraq, Syria, Lebanon, and Yemen. As far as Persians, I think their animosity towards Arabs far exceed their animosity towards Jews.
 
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Zoroastrianism wasn't originally an iranian religion , what iranians practiced before and after the achaemenid empire is called by historians "mithraism" , zoroaster they say came from india and was slayed by a scythian foot soldier

Mithraism predated Zorastrianism as a continuum of Persian theology.

Zarathushtra came from the north east of Persia. Close to your border with Afghanistan today.
 
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@jammersat @Full Moon

Are Iran and Turkey on opposing sides when it comes to the Syrian war and the ISIS?

Any over-spill into either?

Apparently, they are opposing each other. However, politics knows no permanent enemies and no permanent friends. It only knows permanent interests. So that apparent opposition may change quicker than what we think. The war seems to have few more years to come, so changing sides might eventually happen.
 
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