Israel fears return of Persian Empire

[The Last of us]

Yes I'm an Athravan Parsi bro.

Nice to meet you.

Never had the pleasure to chat to a Parsi. Nice to finally talk to my brethren living in India. One day bro, hopefully you and I will return to Iran and we'll celebrate Nowruz together in Persepolis.

 

[jammersat]

All the so called revolutionary regimes fall eventually. No one expected Qaddafi to fall quickly, and no one expected the Syrians to see the death in their eyes and move forward at any cost. Saddam did everything possible to save himself and his regime, only to later face what he has been fearing (i.e. the fall of his regime and his execution). No one expected Mohammed Reza to be the most fearful man in Iran after he was the safest one for nearly 38 years. The moment comes so quickly and unpredictably as a flood.

i agree , nothing last forever , even no november rain

 

[vsdoc]

Never had the pleasure to chat to a Parsi. Nice to finally talk to my brethren living in India. One day bro, hopefully you and I will return to Iran and we'll celebrate Nowruz together in Persepolis.

I would love to come to Iran.

Hopefully, again and again.

The tug of the ancient ancestral land is strong. The first time I flew over it on my way to Europe, when I saw the names of the cities go by below on the in-flight monitors, it was a surreal feeling .....

 

[Full Moon]

Should we expect Al Saud to face the same fate too?

Their regime will fall eventually like every other regime or state. No one is immune. It is all about the likelihood of the collapse within a given time frame. Funny thing is that the word for a state in Arabic is "دولة". It is derived from the verb "دال". which means "to end", "to finish", or "to vanish". The other political Arabic saying which is used to confirm all political systems' guaranteed collapse is " لو دامت لغيرك ما وصلت لك ", if it has lasted permanently for anybody before you, it wouldn't have come to you in the first place.

So you get the point.

 

[Madali]

All the so called revolutionary regimes fall eventually. No one expected Qaddafi to fall quickly, and no one expected the Syrians to see the death in their eyes and move forward at any cost. Saddam did everything possible to save himself and his regime, only to later face what he has been fearing (i.e. the fall of his regime and his execution). No one expected Mohammed Reza to be the most fearful man in Iran after he was the safest one for nearly 38 years. The moment comes so quickly and unpredictably as a flood.

The examples you mentioned were attacked. Who knows, if our enemies attack us again, maybe we will also fall. I didn't say Iranians are super men. We stood against Saddam and the rest of the west for 8 years, but if they attack us again, maybe we won't hold out like last time.

But if there are no external attacks, I don't see Iranian opposition being significant enough to overthrow the government. However, I mean this today. Maybe in 10 years, everything will change.

 

[Serpentine]

Their regime will fall eventually like every other regime or state. No one is immune. It is all about the likelihood of the collapse within a given time frame. Funny thing is that the word for a state in Arabic is "دولة". It is derived from the verb "دال". which means "to end", "to finish", or "to vanish". The other political Arabic saying which is used to confirm all political systems' guaranteed collapse is " لو دامت لغيرك ما وصلت لك ", if it has lasted permanently for anybody before you, it wouldn't have come to you in the first place.

So you get the point.

I wonder, which type of regime do you prefer personally for KSA?

A secular democracy? a MB-ruled regime? Parliamentarian democracy? Secular monarchy dictatorship? Or the current rule of Al-Saud?

 

[Full Moon]

I wonder, which type of regime do you prefer personally for KSA?

A secular democracy? a MB-ruled regime? Parliamentarian democracy? Secular monarchy dictatorship? Or the current rule of Al-Saud?

I don't know.

I just learned in the last 3 - 5 years that Middle Easterners (as people) can be far more regressive and brutal than their regimes. I used to be enthusiastic about democracy but not any more. KSA needs a strong central government to survive. Opening the door for democracy RIGHT NOW means opening the door for fanatics to drag us back to the 10th century's puritanical arguments. We have no shortage of fanatics and they are far more vocal and influencing on the vast majority of people who are generally religious. May be what would work is a gradual shift towards Constitutional Monarchy within 20-30 years. But I would still love to see a decent veto with the King!

 

[haviZsultan]

I would love to come to Iran.

Hopefully, again and again.

The tug of the ancient ancestral land is strong. The first time I flew over it on my way to Europe, when I saw the names of the cities go by below on the in-flight monitors, it was a surreal feeling .....

Its the birthplace of Zoroastrianism/Parsi religion. You should visit it sometime.

Btw why is there a different name for south asian zoroastrians-(Parsis) and for Iranian zoroastrians-Zoroastrian?

I don't know.

I just learned in the last 3 - 5 years that Middle Easterners (as people) can be far more regressive and brutal than their regimes. I used to be enthusiastic about democracy but not any more. KSA needs a strong central government to survive. Opening the door for democracy RIGHT NOW means opening the door for fanatics to drag us back to the 10th century puritanical arguments. We have no shortage of fanatics and they are far more vocal and influencing to the vast majority of people who are generally religious. May be what would work is a gradual shift towards Constitutional Monarchy within 20-30 years. But I would still love to see a decent veto with the King!

We have the same type of thinking in Pakistan. it is augmented by the belief that civilian leaders rather than dictators have been extremely corrupt. But the ideal route in my books is democracy and secularism. Every country should reap these values benefits and Islam has nothing against democracy.

The problem with Pakistan is pretty complex though. I do not trust those assaulting the military constantly because they are highly politically polarized. For example Nawaz Sharif was chief minister during Zia's rule and Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto was foreign minister in Ayub Khans government both military dictators. So the two major parties who are swapping rule of Pakistan today were born at the hands of military dictators.

In short i sympathize with those who want the military or should I say dictators back in power. If we look at it all Islamic countries have similar problems-struggling between mullahs, dictators and dictator born democratic regimes. The thing you said applies to us-what is the alternative if we remove the Sauds from power?

 

[vsdoc]

Its the birthplace of Zoroastrianism/Parsi religion. You should visit it sometime.

Btw why is there a different name for south asian zoroastrians-(Parsis) and for Iranian zoroastrians-Zoroastrian?

The original Persians (initially the mobeds, women and kids, and slowly the men) who came to India from 700 AD to 1000 AD used the Pars region as the rallying and jump-off point towards the shore and the ships. Hence Parsi. It is a fallacy that it refers to Farsi without being able to pronounce "f" and hence became Parsi.

These are distinct from the Iranian Zoroastrians who came over mainly overland much later over the past 200 to 300 years, and mainly are in the business of bakeries, cafes, eateries, etc. in India and Pakistan. They are called the Irani Zoroastrians, or as we lovingly call them, Iroon for short.

Since we've been in India a whole lot longer, we speak Gujarati as our mother tongue.

While the Iroons speak Dari.

Of course we also speak Hindi, as well as the regional state language (most cases, Marathi).

But we are the same, worship in the same Agyaris and Atash Behrams, and part of the same community. And marry among each other as well.

Their calendar though is different, as are the dates of some of the festivals.

 

[haviZsultan]

The original Persians (initially the mobeds, women and kids, and slowly the men) who came to India from 700 AD to 1000 AD used the Pars region as the rallying and jump-off point towards the shore and the ships. Hence Parsi. It is a fallacy that it refers to Farsi without being able to pronounce "f" and hence became Parsi.

These are distinct from the Iranian Zoroastrians who came over mainly overland much later over the past 200 to 300 years, and mainly are in the business of bakeries, cafes, eateries, etc. in India and Pakistan. They are called the Irani Zoroastrians, or as we lovingly call them, Iroon for short.

Since we've been in India a whole lot longer, we speak Gujarati as our mother tongue.

While the Iroons speak Dari.

Of course we also speak Hindi, as well as the regional state language (most cases, Marathi).

But we are the same, worship in the same Agyaris and Atash Behrams, and part of the same community. And marry among each other as well.

Their calendar though is different, as are the dates of some of the festivals.

That is very interesting information. So many different people with different cultures and religious doctrines. Makes me realize how little I actually know as do others. It is sad to see indigenous customs and religions disappearing. Like the Kalash and Parsis-Parsis i have seen either move out or have low birth rates-decreasing their already low numbers. But still you guys for a minority so small are extremely influential in Pakistan and India and Iran as well.

 

[Surenas]

The original Persians (initially the mobeds, women and kids, and slowly the men) who came to India from 700 AD to 1000 AD used the Pars region as the rallying and jump-off point towards the shore and the ships.

I was under the impression that they were mainly from Khorasan and used that region as departing point?

 

[Full Moon]

The original Persians (initially the mobeds, women and kids, and slowly the men) who came to India from 700 AD to 1000 AD used the Pars region as the rallying and jump-off point towards the shore and the ships. Hence Parsi. It is a fallacy that it refers to Farsi without being able to pronounce "f" and hence became Parsi.

These are distinct from the Iranian Zoroastrians who came over mainly overland much later over the past 200 to 300 years, and mainly are in the business of bakeries, cafes, eateries, etc. in India and Pakistan. They are called the Irani Zoroastrians, or as we lovingly call them, Iroon for short.

Since we've been in India a whole lot longer, we speak Gujarati as our mother tongue.

While the Iroons speak Dari.

Of course we also speak Hindi, as well as the regional state language (most cases, Marathi).

But we are the same, worship in the same Agyaris and Atash Behrams, and part of the same community. And marry among each other as well.

Their calendar though is different, as are the dates of some of the festivals.

Very interesting. How do you guys see Iranians or Persians in particular? Do you relate to them, love them, be indifferent about them? Would that apply similarly or differently to the Muslim Persians among them or the Zoroastrian Persians (whose number is small I guess)?

 

[Hack-Hook]

Zoroastrianism wasn't originally an iranian religion , what iranians practiced before and after the achaemenid empire is called by historians "mithraism" , zoroaster they say came from india and was slayed by a scythian foot soldier

Very wrong . Mithraism is a Roman religion that they took its base from very old Iranian religion that long abandoned in favor of zoroastarism by the way the Medes who come before achemedians were also zoroastarian .also before that there were a version of zoroastarism which was called mogh religion .
And no it didn't come from India but zoroastarism and Hinduism were both based in original Arian religion from the time that Arian lived far northern than Iran and India.

And by the way the religion originated in western part of today Afghanistan and eastern part of today iran

I wonder, which type of regime do you prefer personally for KSA?

A secular democracy? a MB-ruled regime? Parliamentarian democracy? Secular monarchy dictatorship? Or the current rule of Al-Saud?

I don't know.

I just learned in the last 3 - 5 years that Middle Easterners (as people) can be far more regressive and brutal than their regimes. I used to be enthusiastic about democracy but not any more. KSA needs a strong central government to survive. Opening the door for democracy RIGHT NOW means opening the door for fanatics to drag us back to the 10th century puritanical arguments. We have no shortage of fanatics and they are far more vocal and influencing on the vast majority of people who are generally religious. May be what would work is a gradual shift towards Constitutional Monarchy within 20-30 years. But I would still love to see a decent veto with the King!

well I believe a democracy is better than dictatorship is just propaganda from some western countries .
As a matter of fact not ttwo democracy is the same and not two dictatorship are the same a powerful dictator can rule a country alot better than a corrupt democracy while living under a cult like dictatorship can be worse than hel and transparent democracy can provide a living for citizen which is alot better than what a weak dictator can provide.

 

[SALMAN F]

@Surenas why you spread that low life BS your propaganda harm iran and make the arabs agree with that Netanyahu

 

[Surenas]

@Surenas why you spread that low life BS your propaganda harm iran and make the arabs agree with that Netanyahu

Let them agree.