Israel fears return of Persian Empire

[atatwolf]

To be honest, on a low key war meaning asymmetrical terrorism/warfare Iran has formidable terrorists who can hide behind civilians and cause Israel damage but that will prompt up symmetrical warfare. In that case Israel would pulverize Iran within 3 days. If need be they can get help from the US and strong connections they have with Kurds in KRG and 35 million Azeri in the region. Israeli have a strong lobby in the US congress too. IMHO Israel doesn't have to fear anything. They don't want to get in conflict which doesn't mean "fearing". Iran is pushing Israel to the edge. In my opinion Iran is playing with fire.

 

[jammersat]

Well, you surly have the right to disagree with me. I gather that you are an Afghani not Iranian. You may still speak Dari though and therefore have better access to Persian people than me.

no , i'm not afghani , i only changed my flag to make some members shut up , my family has roots in iran for as long as they can remember..

My thought of it however, is that I think protecting Jews and Christians by Arabs or by Muslims in general was for their "citizenship" status. Make no mistake, Arabs have never hated anybody more than Jews (in the past and presence). It is almost impossible for the two people to ever like each other or feel the slightest comfort towards each other. Tolerating them as "citizens" is something else.

well that's easy to say , in today's world jews have protected status , and saudi arabia ain't nazi germany , so if you really hate jews you have to prove it ! what happened 1400 years ago is of total irrelevance , today jews are shooting palestinians with rubber , fake and real bullets and they are keeping them in their prisons in harsh conditions , and the only country in the region doing something about it is iran , however little that might be and whatever their agenda could be we are Certainly doing more about the palestinian issue than saudi arabia...

You didn't also seem to hit the truth when you denied Iran's expansion agenda evidenced by the IRGC's cells in Iraq, Syria, Lebanon, and Yemen. As far as Persians, I think their animosity towards Arabs far exceed their animosity towards Jews.

there are no IRGC cells in yemen , sudan , iraq etc. of course iraq is a brother country but the case with yemen and other arab nations in mess are a couple of iranian AKs being exported to them and that's about it , do you think iran provided the yemeni houthis with plasma guns or spaceships?

you are free to think as you wish , that's called freedom of thought , but if you ever get to manage to distinguish between the iranian nationalities you see persians are a tiny minority who don't hate arabs at all ..

 

[vsdoc]

Apparently, they are opposing each other. However, politics knows no permanent enemies and no permanent friends. It only knows permanent interests. So that apparent opposition may change quicker than what we think. The war seems to have few more years to come, so changing sides might eventually happen.

What is the end game for these two relatively stable and powerful nation states.

Carve up and divide the spoils (territorially)?

 

[jammersat]

Mithraism predated Zorastrianism as a continuum of Persian theology.

well my presumption would be that mithraism was maybe even in sharp contrast with zoroastrianism , because after the achamenid empire it regained its popularity in iran with the mithraist parthians ...

Zarathushtra came from the north east of Persia. Close to your border with Afghanistan today.

there are more than several theories about zarathushtra , some say he didn't even exist at all , or that he was one with cyrus , but the story of the scythian foot soldier seems credible since the scythian kingdom was a brotherhood and zarathushtra must have been a foreign element for him to be slaughtered...

 

[Full Moon]

What is the end game for these two relatively stable and powerful nation states.

Carve up and divide the spoils (territorially)?

Don't really know, but dividing spoils of "loyalty" may be the final outcome they hope for. However, Turkey is doing it at better economic and political situation than Iran. The Iranian regime is facing major internal opposition about its messy internal economic management. That opposition can't be repressed for ever.

 

[vsdoc]

@jammersat

Please correct your quotes.

The only contrast was that Mithraism was dualist in its theology. Both good and evil worshipped as opposing divine forces.

Zoroastrianism continued the trend. Bu Ahriman is not worshipped.

The king under whose reign Zarathushtra spread the faith was Gushtasp (or Vishtasp). Not Cyrus.

 

[Madali]

Don't really know, but dividing spoils of "loyalty" may be the final outcome they hope for. However, Turkey is doing it at better economic and political situation than Iran. The Iranian regime is facing major internal opposition about its messy internal economic management. That opposition can't be repressed for ever.

Iran's enemies have waiting for post-revolution to collapse for 36 years.

 

[jammersat]

@jammersat

Please correct your quotes.

The only contrast was that Mithraism was dualist in its theology. Both good and evil worshipped as opposing divine forces.

Zoroastrianism continued the trend. Bu Ahriman is not worshipped.

The king under whose reign Zarathushtra spread the faith was Gushtasp (or Vishtasp). Not Cyrus.

i thought that quote hack was by you ! anyhow mithraism was not a religion at all it was the greater culture of the scythian people (marijuana , amazaon women , etc. ) which has fascinated some historians

zarathushtra on the other hand preached duality , and there was no divinity , if you ever meet the zoroastrians you see they're all about duality...

 

[vsdoc]

i thought that quote hack was by you ! anyhow mithraism was not a religion at all it was the greater culture of the scythian people (marijuana , amazaon women , etc. ) which has fascinated some historians

zarathushtra on the other hand preached duality , and there was no divinity , if you ever meet the zoroastrians you see they're all about duality...

Sigh .....

How old are you bro, if you don't mind me asking?

 

[jammersat]

Sigh .....

How old are you bro, if you don't mind me asking?

why did my post seem childish to you ? i'm in my 30's lol

 

[vsdoc]

why did my post seem childish to you ? i'm in my 30's lol

Not childish at all.

Merely ignorant and revisionist.

Institutionalized revisionism over centuries. Not just post the glorious revolution.

Cheers, Doc

 

[Full Moon]

Iran's enemies have waiting for post-revolution to collapse for 36 years.

All the so called revolutionary regimes fall eventually. No one expected Qaddafi to fall quickly, and no one expected the Syrians to see the death in their eyes and move forward at any cost. Saddam did everything possible to save himself and his regime, only to later face what he has been fearing (i.e. the fall of his regime and his execution). No one expected Mohammed Reza to be the most fearful man in Iran after he was the safest one for nearly 38 years. The moment comes so quickly and unpredictably as a flood.

 

[The Last of us]

He's Iranian. But a really brainwashed one.

He's not Iranian. He admitted not long ago he is an Afghan. Anyway regardless, you should have stopped taking him seriously when he made comment like there are 30 million turks in Iran and 10 million arabs and 10 million Persians.

By the way, is that you in your avatar? Are you a Parsi by any chance? You look like a typical Persian

 

[vsdoc]

He's not Iranian. He admitted not long ago he is an Afghan. Anyway regardless, you should have stopped taking him seriously when he made comment like there are 30 million turks in Iran and 10 million arabs and 10 million Persians.

By the way, is that you in your avatar? Are you a Parsi by any chance? You look like a typical Persian

Yes I'm an Athravan Parsi bro.

Nice to meet you.

 

[Serpentine]

All the so called revolutionary regimes fall eventually. No one expected Qaddafi to fall quickly, and no one expected the Syrians to see the death in their eyes and move forward at any cost. Saddam did everything possible to save himself and his regime, only to later face what he has been fearing (i.e. the fall of his regime and his execution). No one expected Mohammed Reza to be the most fearful man in Iran after he was the safest one for nearly 38 years. The moment comes so quickly and unpredictably as a flood.

Should we expect Al Saud to face the same fate too?