Israel Cannot be an Apartheid State

[salarsikander]

that Israel can't be a legitimate stat

What part of Torah suggests the building of fake entity by force ?

 

[Solomon2]

Lol what a pathetic response

I think in Pakistan the women are braver than the men, don't you? Because what you call "a pathetic response" is better than none at all.

 

[Hamza913]

Still state-mandated pablum. When the Emperor has no clothes, he should be called out for it:

"Dissent is the highest form of patriotism."
- Afiya S. Zia, May 1st, 2018
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Is that what you call a refutation?

If you're really convinced of Israel's righteousness, try and change my mind. If your narrative is correct, this should be easy.

 

[salarsikander]

I think in Pakistan the women are braver than the men, don't you? Because what you call "a pathetic response" is better than none at all.

I think that Israel is anything but Jewish

 

[Solomon2]

If you're really convinced of Israel's righteousness, try and change my mind. If your narrative is correct, this should be easy.

And what would you do if I did? Continue to pretend otherwise, given the immense social and authoritarian pressures in Pakistan demanding hatred of the Jewish State?

Indeed, maybe I already have changed your mind and you're doing that right now.

 

[Hamza913]

And what would you do if I did?

What the hell do you think I'll do? I'll obviously support you.

Stop over-analysing and give it a try, otherwise it becomes clear to everyone you cannot defend your point of view.

 

[Solomon2]

What the hell do you think I'll do? I'll obviously support you.
Stop over-analysing and give it a try, otherwise it becomes clear to everyone you cannot defend your point of view.

Then my next question to you is, why do you only consider the Jewish State legitimate if it is "righteous"? That's not a standard you'd apply to any other state, is it?

 

[OguzSenturk]

I don't see any difference between Israel, Iran, Saudi Arabia. All those countries should declare secularism and remove religious authority from their laws.

 

[Hamza913]

Then my next question to you is, why do you only consider the Jewish State legitimate if it is "righteous"? That's not a standard you'd apply to any other state, is it?

It's not just about being righteous, that's to do with whether or not I will support the state.

Legitimacy, for me, is determined by whether or not Israel has a valid reason for its formation.

 

[Solomon2]

I don't see any difference between Israel, Iran, Saudi Arabia. All those countries should declare secularism and remove religious authority from their laws.

Note that Israel doesn't have nearly the number of religious laws on its books as Muslim countries do, and even if they were removed Israel would remain the Jewish State. That's because one is a Jew based on descent or conversion-adoption, not the degree of religious practice. ("The Jews are a people and Judaism is their religion" is the correct formulation.)

 

[OguzSenturk]

Jewish State.

Simply fascism. A state cannot be defined with fake races or religions, or genders.

 

[Solomon2]

Legitimacy, for me, is determined by whether or not Israel has a valid reason for its formation.

And what, in your opinion, "a valid reason"?

 

[Hamza913]

And what, in your opinion, "a valid reason"?

Well, give me a reason other than the fact that Judaism claims the area belongs to the Jews.

We can start from there.

 

[Solomon2]

Simply fascism. A state cannot be defined with fake races or religions, or genders.

So for example Turkey isn't legitimate if somebody, somewhere, insists that Turks are a "fake race"?

 

[OguzSenturk]

So for example Turkey isn't legitimate if somebody, somewhere, insists that Turks are a "fake race"?

There is no Turk race wtf, we are all homo sapiens. Jewish race, arab race, french race, german race, they are all fake races that do not exist.

Turkish is a nationality, means if you are a citizen of Turkey, you are Turkish. It has nothing to do with blood, genetics, skull, bones. It's a citizenship. I don't understand the relation between "legitimacy" and fake races