Isn’t ‘Illegal Bangladeshi’ Racist Shorthand For Bengali Speaking Muslims In Assam

[mujhaidind]

retard, If wishes were wings even donkeys would have flied.

Most Bangladeshis have citizenship documents. So you are the retard in this case.

 

[INDIC]

Most Bangladeshis have citizenship documents. So you are the retard in this case.

oh you don't know what's going on these days.

 

[mujhaidind]

oh you don't know what's going on these days.

Some one promised to kick all illegals after 16 may. But according to reports migration has increased more since 2 months.

 

[INDIC]

Some one promised to kick all illegals after 16 may. But according to reports migration has increased more since 2 months.

ok, whatever gives you a good sleep.

 

[TopCat]

It means Ahoms assimilated in the local culture of Assam and there is Indo-Aryan and Tibeto-Burmese element in Assamese culture since ancient times as recorded in ancient history of Kamrupa/Pragjyotishpur. You mean Bihu dance is Bengali culture .

And what is that be?

And there is no ancient time for Ahom people. They came to Assam in middle ages. They came in contacts with the same language that Bengalis where using that time. It deviated little bit since then like every other dialect in Bengal. Chittagonian deviated more than Ahom itself. Sylheti had a complete different script than Bengali yet they are still called bengali. The reason is simple, they are the derivatives of Bengali and they are spoken by bengali ethnicity. Assamese language is also Bengali but due to ethnicity those Ahom people renamed it as Assamese. Siimple.

Bihu dance is not Bengali, that is what they brought with them. Why?

 

[Joe Shearer]

Yea once the enter territory of India they become Indian citizens. Are you a Muslim?

No, I am sarcastic.

And you are obviously a false flag.

 

[Joe Shearer]

Ahom people came to NE in 13 century long after Bengali developed to its current form. They never even encountered or had remotely known what Pakrit was. They learned Indo-Aryan group of language from, the LOCAL. And who are those locals? May be somebody related to @Joe Shearer ?
Now dont come back with the weird proposition like they learned from Khasis, Santal etc or a group of people who extinct . LOL

Ahom people want a separate language so that they can keep Assam off limit to Bengalis. So they renamed a Bengali dialect to something called Assamese language which is not their language to start with.

Now you're getting to be a bore, pretending ignorance of fundamental facts of history.

Since you seem to need to be instructed in the basics, the Brahmaputra plains have been inhabited - not by some wild, naked tribals, as your very supercilious post seems to indicate, but by the people who formed the kingdom of Kamarupa. This kingdom finds references in the epics, but was very prominent again around the turn of the 7th century, when Bhaskaravarman, the Maharaja of Kamarupa, was allied to Emperor Harshavardhana of the Pushyabhuti line against Sasanka, the Maharaja of Gauda.

At its height, the kingdom of Pragjyotishpur, the people's own name for their kingdom, in preference to Kamarupa, extended over the entire Brahmaputra valley, parts of Varendra and of Bhutan, and parts of Harikela.

Again, I repeat, the origins of the Assamese language can be traced in great detail from the Kamarupa Inscriptions. Try and read them up.

"Who are these locals?" I believe.

And what is that be?

And there is no ancient time for Ahom people. They came to Assam in middle ages. They came in contacts with the same language that Bengalis where using that time. It deviated little bit since then like every other dialect in Bengal. Chittagonian deviated more than Ahom itself. Sylheti had a complete different script than Bengali yet they are still called bengali. The reason is simple, they are the derivatives of Bengali and they are spoken by bengali ethnicity. Assamese language is also Bengali but due to ethnicity those Ahom people renamed it as Assamese. Siimple.

Bihu dance is not Bengali, that is what they brought with them. Why?

Here we read the essential ignorance of a certain segment that believes history started with Bakhtiyar Khilji and the Pir Babas in the 13th century.

There was a flourishing culture for many centuries before the Ahom.

Incidentally, since this does not seem to have occurred to you, Ahom does not equal all Assamese, but is a specific ethnicity within Assam, derived from the Shan; there are older ethnicities as well, many centuries old, which are not tribal nor Shan.

 

[INDIC]

And what is that be?

And there is no ancient time for Ahom people. They came to Assam in middle ages. They came in contacts with the same language that Bengalis where using that time. It deviated little bit since then like every other dialect in Bengal. Chittagonian deviated more than Ahom itself. Sylheti had a complete different script than Bengali yet they are still called bengali. The reason is simple, they are the derivatives of Bengali and they are spoken by bengali ethnicity. Assamese language is also Bengali but due to ethnicity those Ahom people renamed it as Assamese. Siimple.

Assam was called Kamrupa/Pragjyotishpur in ancient times. Your country's name and 'Bangladeshi' identity is just 40 years old. so I can't understand your crappy logic. Ahoms were just assimilated in earlier culture of Assam.

Bihu dance is not Bengali, that is what they brought with them. Why?

It proves that Assamese identity is different.

Now you're getting to be a bore, pretending ignorance of fundamental facts of history.

But all Bangladeshi agrees without a dispute that Rohingyas are not Bengalis.

 

[extra terrestrial]

@Joe Shearer

Thanks for your respect but I'm not a scholar and never claimed to be one.

First, when did I bluff? When did I deny that I made a comment on the script? However, the comment was to Zootinali to highlight the similarities between Bengali and Assamese which Zootinali denied arguing the Tibeto-Burman influences on Assamese. The question on script was not something to emphasize on but you nitpicked it and continued to bring some irrelevant historical pieces.

Second, Assamese being a dialect of Bengali is my own opinion and remains so and you can check each and every post of mine in this thread, I always said Assamese "was" considered a dialect of Bengali. Now Joe, can you deny this thing? I did provide some facts to back my opinion and they were all true facts. Till the demands of the Assamese people and the research made by the Baptist Missionaries, Assamese was indeed considered a dialect of Bengali.

Lastly, at one part of the argument, I did ask you some questions: what's the part of Magadhi Prakrit that you claim to be the immediate predecessor of modern Assamese? How did Assamese gained the linguistic autonomy in 7th century as you claimed in one of your posts? But you have ignored the questions. The Kamarup inscriptions are also considered examples of ancient Bengali, not only Assamese.

 

[TopCat]

Now you're getting to be a bore, pretending ignorance of fundamental facts of history.

Since you seem to need to be instructed in the basics, the Brahmaputra plains have been inhabited - not by some wild, naked tribals, as your very supercilious post seems to indicate, but by the people who formed the kingdom of Kamarupa. This kingdom finds references in the epics, but was very prominent again around the turn of the 7th century, when Bhaskaravarman, the Maharaja of Kamarupa, was allied to Emperor Harshavardhana of the Pushyabhuti line against Sasanka, the Maharaja of Gauda.

At its height, the kingdom of Pragjyotishpur, the people's own name for their kingdom, in preference to Kamarupa, extended over the entire Brahmaputra valley, parts of Varendra and of Bhutan, and parts of Harikela.

Again, I repeat, the origins of the Assamese language can be traced in great detail from the Kamarupa Inscriptions. Try and read them up.

"Who are these locals?" I believe.

That is the conclusion that I wanted you to come to. The rest of the post has no relevance to the language as that is completely political history of that region. I have no objection to that.

Besides Kamarupa Inscriptions cant be the origin of Assamese language as it is just a script and the language is mostly sanskrit. Sylhetis has a script (Nagri script) does not mean sylheti is not bengali.

Taking all your point, why should we call this language Assamese after all? In historical perspective it should be called Kamarupa language right? But we cant, because there is nothing called Kamarupa languge to begin with. You got my point?

Here we read the essential ignorance of a certain segment that believes history started with Bakhtiyar Khilji and the Pir Babas in the 13th century.

When we talk about 13th century and you all of a sudden brought Khilji???

There was a flourishing culture for many centuries before the Ahom.

Incidentally, since this does not seem to have occurred to you, Ahom does not equal all Assamese, but is a specific ethnicity within Assam, derived from the Shan; there are older ethnicities as well, many centuries old, which are not tribal nor Shan.

Thats the whole point. What took you so long?

But all Bangladeshi agrees without a dispute that Rohingyas are not Bengalis.

Thats the same politics that we do like Assamese

 

[Saiful Islam]

This idiot who claims that we know "jack squat", Sylheti and Assamese are mutually intelligible for the most part. Just because it was a purely Bengali passage means nothing.

 

[LionChamar]

This idiot who claims that we know "jack squat", Sylheti and Assamese are mutually intelligible for the most part. Just because it was a purely Bengali passage means nothing.

Okay, but the culture is completely different.

 

[INDIC]

This idiot who claims that we know "jack squat", Sylheti and Assamese are mutually intelligible for the most part. Just because it was a purely Bengali passage means nothing.

Sylhet was in Assam, not Bengal. The difference of Sylhet and East Bengal is still visible.

 

[Joe Shearer]

@Joe Shearer

Thanks for your respect but I'm not a scholar and never claimed to be one.

You should not intervene in a dispute over scholastic matters, in that case.

First, when did I bluff? When did I deny that I made a comment on the script? However, the comment was to Zootinali to highlight the similarities between Bengali and Assamese which Zootinali denied arguing the Tibeto-Burman influences on Assamese. The question on script was not something to emphasize on but you nitpicked it and continued to bring some irrelevant historical pieces.

You change your story every now and then. I copied and pasted the entire sequence of arguments to show that you did mention script, then, when contradicted, you were sceptical and demanded to know the connection, and finally, now, you feel that picking up on a casual matter was not something to emphasise. Why didn't you say right at the outset that your reference to script was irrelevant?

Second, Assamese being a dialect of Bengali is my own opinion and remains so and you can check each and every post of mine in this thread, I always said Assamese "was" considered a dialect of Bengali. Now Joe, can you deny this thing? I did provide some facts to back my opinion and they were all true facts. Till the demands of the Assamese people and the research made by the Baptist Missionaries, Assamese was indeed considered a dialect of Bengali.

Please make up your mind. Is this still your own opinion, or is it now the miracle of St. Elizabeth, and your opinion is now miraculously supported by the research of the Baptist missionaries?

There is nothing that you have cited, other than your own opinion, that Assamese was considered a dialect of Bengali.

There are enough instances cited that Assamese was considered one language among several in the valley, and was made the official language, first, to comply with the provisions of the constitution, second, to identify Assamese as the one among the many that should enjoy official sanction.

Lastly, at one part of the argument, I did ask you some questions: what's the part of Magadhi Prakrit that you claim to be the immediate predecessor of modern Assamese? How did Assamese gained the linguistic autonomy in 7th century as you claimed in one of your posts? But you have ignored the questions. The Kamarup inscriptions are also considered examples of ancient Bengali, not only Assamese.

You mentioned the Chorjapod, which the Kamarupa Inscriptions are not.

However, even otherwise, if we go far enough back, all the languages in the list of descendants of Magadhi Prakrit will begin to look like each other. That is what descending from a root language and gradually getting differentiated implies, in case you were under the impression that from the outset, all the descendant languages were fully formed in their distinction from the others.

Since you still haven't take the trouble to look up these incriptions, they extend over centuries, from the 7th down to recent times, and they are in multiple forms, not just in one. They show clearly the increasing differentiation of the Assamese language from the original Sanskrit Inscriptions, and they show the use of script distinct to Assamese. It was this clear descent and the transparency of the evolution that was referred to in saying that the linguistic autonomy started in the 7th century. If you notice, there was no outside influence and reversions in the inscriptions; there was a process of evolution that was clearly independent.

 

[Saiful Islam]

Sylhet was in Assam, not Bengal. The difference of Sylhet and East Bengal is still visible.

Not really, it's like any other area in BD.