Islamabad Warily Weighs Establishing Ties With Israel

[KhanBaba2]

Its called fortress of Islam for no reason.

That is accurate.

 

[That Guy]

Zero chance its gonna happen, at least not with Imran Khan in power. It would be political suicide for him to do so.

The article is written by an Indian, and it's on a trash media outlet, WSJ.

 

[Cliftonite]

Shirk? Lost your marbles?

Pakistan without Islam doesn't exist, we are the 2nd state ever build in the name of Islam after the first one in Madina. In present geopolitical landscape, Islam will suffer more if Pakistan suffer more. Build Pakistan, Islam will rise again, by default. Its called fortress of Islam for no reason.

The rest of the Muslim world laughs at your delusions.

Narcissist much?

The Muslim world looks towards Saudi and Turkey. Not Pakistan. Pakistan doesn't even feature anywhere close in that list of Ummah leaders.

Can't even pay our loans but think we're the warriors of Islam. We're a keep of the IMF.

Get out of your delusions and focus on Pakistan.

I'm all for recognizing Israel but I'm concerned about the death and destruction that will be caused in Pakistan by certain sections of our society. They will cause hell on earth. Make no mistake about that.

The mullahs will soften down in a year when they get the go ahead signal from Saudi.

 

[Marker]

I want to ask a question friendly and frankly
People living in Pakistan should think about whether the Islamic religion is more important or the national interest is more important, or which one can better represent the interests of the local people
I feel that this is a problem both in the West and Islam
Protestant Christianity, if you don’t believe in Protestant Christianity then even if you are a good person you can’t enter heaven
In this mode of thinking, no other human beings can be regarded as humans. Even if they believe in their religion, they are discriminated against. This is the root of Western arrogance.

Islam is not only a religion, it is a complete code of life.

It is a religion of peace, justice and fair play. Islam never plead injustice and tyranny.

If you study Islamic justice, economic and social systems in detail, you will come to know that these are the best and most modern systems available for the mankind. Even the non-Islamic countries which are adopting the partial of these systems are leading in those fields.

Furthermore, Islam never preach forceful conversion, neither hate other human beings of other religions or beliefs and do not differentiate people due to their cast and creed. Whatever, you see or observe or hear negative about Islamic teachings are not correct. As in your social system their people who do wrong, we have also such people. They disguise as Islamic scholars, but spread hatred within the society against Muslims having differences in belief, against Jews, Christians and non-believers. Some of them carry out social crimes. But believe me, they are not the true representative of Islam, Islamic teachings and Islamic systems.

May Allah subhanahu wataala bless you and your nation the true path. Ameen.

The essence of creation of Pakistan was based on Islam. It was created to provide an independent land for Muslims to practice their religion. Unfortunately, most of us, people of Pakistan, are following the wrong path by forgetting the true essence of Pakistan.

Israel was established by illegally ejecting the people of Palestine.

People of Pakistan will never accept Israel as legitimate state unless people of Palestine are settled as independent nation.

 

[Xone]

Pakistan has to think about Israel objectively,
Israel is a country which exist on occupied land that is not legitimately theirs, so recognising it is against Islamic norms and judicial values of humanity. Giving legitimacy to illegitimate child!.
Pakistan has no program to harm Israel so recognition or no recognition brings no significant difference to it.
Israel is becoming a source of problem for Pakistan when it is openly helping India with arms and tech. So this action bring more hate towards Israel in Pakistan minds why should we favour friend of our enemy? Will Israel stop to support India if we recognize it? The answer is obviously no. Nowadays countries only protect its interests. And Pakistan can not make Israel to change its support for India at all.
Pakistan is based on Islam, these two are complementary to each other. doing favour to one will be a favour to the both. Recognition of Israel harmful to the both.
Why the Israel is so worried about Pakistan is because of this inherent connection of the both.
They feel their present success and happiness is only short-lived in the presence of an Islamic country which has power to defeat them. With whom they have no direct influence to exploit. This further enhance their sense of insecurity to a haunting level.
Why Arabs recognize Israel, they feel threatened because of their own weakness and Israel military power. Pakistan case is exactly opposite. We have been all the time in a state of war against a bigger enemy India. So there is no such need to recognize a state who is an ally of our enemy.
We are no more weak to walk over by anyone . Our recognition of Israel is against Islam and Pakistani nation.
Weak has the right to do quite opposite which is normally forbidden in Islam in exceptional conditions. Does Pakistan faces this exceptional situation? The answer is No. then Why we need to go against Islam and Pakistan?
One more point, does recognition of Israel help the oppressed people of Palestine?
If muslims are recognizing Israel due to its power, they will have no influence to get a change in Israel's policy of suppression and injustice, Following such path by Pakistan too, will not bring any betterment to the Palestinians.
So what to do Pakistan should take every possible measures to bring Israel to its knees to accept the Palestinians right to live. There is a long list of these measures which we have failed to do in the past.
Pakistan is there to live strong, to support weak and oppressed,

 

[Awan68]

This just exposes your narrow village mentality. Is Islam about brown people? According to your rendition Bosnian, Turks, some Syrian, Tunisians are bad because they are 'gora' but kala Indian's are halal? Tell me where in your Islam is being gora a crime? Is Islam for and by brown people?

I am not going to renounce nobody because I have never bowed my head to anybody. Finally Islam is not Arab, Turkish etc or Pakistani. It is a global religion that is as applicable in a Black household in New York, a White household in Sarayevo, Bosnia and a yellow household in Malaysia. Islam is global. Please don't try to own Islam to a third world, corrupt, bankrupt country in South Asia.
lol

Lol, i coereced u into exposing urself beautifully here, u are the most racist individual about brown and black people on this forum yet when i applied reverse racism to ur white gora masters, it triggered u into preaching against racism lol, hence proved that u despite bieng a brown asian would go to any lenghts to defend ur gora masters. In addition u are found everywhere spewing ur anti Ummah and anti Islam narrative on this forum yet now u quickly become a defender of global Islam just to undermine the Islamic identity of Pakistan, have u not even a shred of shame?
PS. Turkic and central asian races are not counted as goras, goras are anglo saxons, overwhelming majority of whom are the most anti Islam people in the world. Atleast learn a little about races, before jumping on the bandwagon.

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

Pakistan has laid out it's terms loud and clear. Resolve the Palestinian issue. If this prerequisite isn't met, then Pakistan CAN NOT and WILL NOT recognise Israel. Simple! There is absolutely no reason why Pakistan should recognise a rogue and apartheid state. Only shameless "Islamic" countries would do such a thing.

How stupid are we Pakistanis?........... ..........Pakistanis care about the Palestinians and want to resolve their issues yet they show their gratitude by embracing those who call for the death and destruction of Pakistan and the Pakistani people.........:

Pakistan has to think about Israel objectively,
Israel is a country which exist on occupied land that is not legitimately theirs, so recognising it is against Islamic norms and judicial values of humanity. Giving legitimacy to illegitimate child!.
Pakistan has no program to harm Israel so recognition or no recognition brings no significant difference to it.
Israel is becoming a source of problem for Pakistan when it is openly helping India with arms and tech. So this action bring more hate towards Israel in Pakistan minds why should we favour friend of our enemy? Will Israel stop to support India if we recognize it? The answer is obviously no. Nowadays countries only protect its interests. And Pakistan can not make Israel to change its support for India at all.
Pakistan is based on Islam, these two are complementary to each other. doing favour to one will be a favour to the both. Recognition of Israel harmful to the both.
Why the Israel is so worried about Pakistan is because of this inherent connection of the both.
They feel their present success and happiness is only short-lived in the presence of an Islamic country which has power to defeat them. With whom they have no direct influence to exploit. This further enhance their sense of insecurity to a haunting level.
Why Arabs recognize Israel, they feel threatened because of their own weakness and Israel military power. Pakistan case is exactly opposite. We have been all the time in a state of war against a bigger enemy India. So there is no such need to recognize a state who is an ally of our enemy.
We are no more weak to walk over by anyone . Our recognition of Israel is against Islam and Pakistani nation.
Weak has the right to do quite opposite which is normally forbidden in Islam in exceptional conditions. Does Pakistan faces this exceptional situation? The answer is No. then Why we need to go against Islam and Pakistan?
One more point, does recognition of Israel help the oppressed people of Palestine?
If muslims are recognizing Israel due to its power, they will have no influence to get a change in Israel's policy of suppression and injustice, Following such path by Pakistan too, will not bring any betterment to the Palestinians.
So what to do Pakistan should take every possible measures to bring Israel to its knees to accept the Palestinians right to live. There is a long list of these measures which we have failed to do in the past.
Pakistan is there to live strong, to support weak and oppressed,

Does Islam allow the Palestinians to embrace those who call for the death and destruction of the Pakistani people and nation?:

Screw the Palestinians.

 

[313ghazi]

Founder of Pakistan refused to recognise Israel without a viable Palestinian state.

Current PM has repeatedly stated he will maintain this position. Current FM has repeatedly stated we will maintain this position. The vast majority of Pakistani population want us to maintain this position.

Pakistani libtard: "recognition of Israel is must. We vill get technology, money, f-solah aur cricket World Cup".

My humble opinion - jo yahodiya se zyada gand marwana ki shonk rakta hai, wo Dubai chala je. Aj kal waha sab chalta hai.

 

[Jungibaaz]

Founder of Pakistan refused to recognise Israel without a viable Palestinian state.

Current PM has repeatedly stated he will maintain this position. Current FM has repeatedly stated we will maintain this position. The vast majority of Pakistani population want us to maintain this position.

Pakistani libtard: "recognition of Israel is must. We vill get technology, money, f-solah aur cricket World Cup".

I have mixed feelings on establishing ties with Israel. It's a question of whether we think establishing ties will damage Kashmir cause or not, and to what extent will establishing ties improve relations with GCC and the US. As for tech, IMO it's not an entirely valid argument. If today getting hands on Israeli tech (officially) is hard because of a lack of recognition, whose to say we wont have another France like situation, where India being a bigger market and a higher bidder, bids our presence out of existence in that market too? On the other hand, who is to say that not accepting Israel will do a damn thing for the Kashmir cause, Arabs are already looking to abandon us on that entirely, I don't see any material difference either way.

It was no problem not recognizing them when the whole muslim world didn't. But when all of its neighbors, Arabs themselves, and even your allies in Saudi and Turkey have established ties. It will be tough to maintain a lack of recognition for a country whom we have no direct hostility with.

It's such a tough question that I'm happy to be neutral for now and then support whatever our establishment decides is best, make a decision and then try and stick with it.

 

[313ghazi]

I have mixed feelings on establishing ties with Israel. It's a question of whether we think establishing ties will damage Kashmir cause or not, and to what extent will establishing ties improve relations with GCC and the US. As for tech, IMO it's not an entirely valid argument. If today getting hands on Israeli tech (officially) is hard because of a lack of recognition, whose to say we wont have another France like situation, where India being a bigger market and a higher bidder, bids our presence out of existence in that market too? On the other hand, who is to say that not accepting Israel will do a damn thing for the Kashmir cause, Arabs are already looking to abandon us on that entirely, I don't see any material difference either way.

It was no problem not recognizing them when the whole muslim world didn't. But when all of its neighbors, Arabs themselves, and even your allies in Saudi and Turkey have established ties. It will be tough to maintain a lack of recognition for a country whom we have no direct hostility with.

It's such a tough question that I'm happy to support whatever our establishment decides is best, make a decision and then try and stick with it.

You know I don't really care about the Palestinian conflict or the political position we take. What really grates me is the inferiority complex of our nation - the reasons being given by the cheerleaders of Israel.

The access to tech, the access to debt relief. We do this with everyone. People treat China like a solution to our problems, people want better relations with Muslim nations for access to funds, energy, tech etc.

I hate this attitude. What do we bring to the table? Why can't we work hard and generate our own wealth and our own tech? We need to focus on fixing up ourselves. Massive untapped potential reigned back by a slave like mentality. Where is the self respect?

Look at our attitude to CPEC - "game changer", "taller than mountains, sweeter than honey" - ffs we're building up a bunch of loans like a w**** does her sugar daddy. Our nation is looking for another coloniser not an investor.

We blame all our failures on external influences and we now stupidly expect all our solutions to be external too.

This is what really bothers me. The rest is all politics, it could change tomorrow.

 

[Green disc]

I just want to see the looks on the fanboys' faces when Pakistan accepts Israel.

And I have a feeling it will be done within 2 years.

It won’t and cannot happen until the Kashmir issued is resolved

 

[Cliftonite]

It won’t and cannot happen until the Kashmir issued is resolved

Well I have a bridge to sell you if you think the Kashmir issue is going to be solved.

Both countries use the issue as a unifying factor for their internal issues.

 

[crankthatskunk]

Why this fake news keep circling!!
It has been clarified over and over by PM IK and Pakistani State, why keep insisting.

The agents provokator are exposed, they were the one trying to establish relationship as back as 1990s.
Sent delegations.

 

[Cliftonite]

Look at our attitude to CPEC - "game changer", "taller than mountains, sweeter than honey" - ffs we're building up a bunch of loans like a whore does her sugar daddy. Our nation is looking for another coloniser not an investor.

Truer words were never said.

 

[Green disc]

Well I have a bridge to sell you if you think the Kashmir issue is going to be solved.

Both countries use the issue as a unifying factor for their internal issues.

It will be hipoc

Well I have a bridge to sell you if you think the Kashmir issue is going to be solved.

Both countries use the issue as a unifying factor for their internal issues.

It would be hypocritical to do so, Kashmiri and Palestinian issue is the same, both under occupation