Islamabad Warily Weighs Establishing Ties With Israel

[Indus Pakistan]

Yes Islam comes first

Islam comes, first, Islam comes second, Islam comes third and placing Pakistan even last in the same category is shirk.

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

Please don't commit shirk. Correct you sentence -

" focus on building Musims, stay united with tunnel vision approach towards building Islam as a major player in the world."

We did. But the non-Pakistani Muslims told us to "F**K OFF, we're not interested".

Question to these pseudo intellects who are hell bend on building ties with Israel, purely in terms of benefits to Pakistan, what are you expecting out if this?

Let me remind you all, Pakistan has done FAR FAR FAR bigger things for America in history and in return got stuffed very badly. From making America the sole super power in the world to fighting American war on terror with massive price to pay. Got nothing but internal chaos, economic strangulation, corrupt to the core American sponsored so called leaders, worst American deep state working in collaboration with India to spread terrorism within Pakistan.


So stop wasting time on this non sense over an entity which you struggle to find on the map, focus on building Pakistan, stay united with tunnel vision approach towards building Pakistan as a major player in the world.

That is the ONLY rational reason why we shouldn't accept Israel. It should however NOT be based on solidarity with non-Pakistani Muslims who feel NOTHING for us.

 

[Indus Pakistan]

It's not a question of religion but unfortunately there is a significant minority of the Pakistani population who are willing to burn down Pakistan and Pakistanis if we accept Israel. They will never do anything good or righteous for Pakistan but for whatever reason are willing to kill and be killed for non-Pakistani Muslims...........

10/10. This sentiment is even stronger in children of Pakistani migrants in UK etc. Bizzarely they are subjects of a crown that birthed Israel and are okay with that but jump up and down on the matter of Pakistan recognizing Israel.

 

[mingle]

I just want to see the looks on the fanboys' faces when Pakistan accepts Israel.

And I have a feeling it will be done within 2 years.

Since isreal already reach UAE not far from Us sooner or later we have to accept them at some level

 

[Pakistan Space Agency]

Traitors already tried it 2005. Those same traitors are creeping back in power with Cartoon-e-Azam PM Imran Khan's blessings.

 

[El Sidd]

we are not in Hell.
and inshallah never will be. stay together stay strong united and prosperous.

as for israel. why should Pakistan be interested when Israel on repeated occasions has planned to destroy our nuclear installations. one such plan was so ruthless that it included blowing up a PIA passenger jet flying over Arabian sea to Karachi and use its signature to mask a task force of Israeli jets deep inside Pakistan undetected and strike Kahuta.
I urge people who would demand more information or "link" to move their fingers themselves and dig up the information from the web or archives on this forum themselves.

in short. NO
for all we care KSA and Iran may recognize Israel but we dont need to.

It maybe reminded that Pakistan's state policy on Israel has foundations in fundamental politics not religious in argument.

Founder of the country, Jinnah referred to the creation of the nation state of Israel as illegitimate western child in Asia. Pakistan's opinion of Israel Palestinian issue is that it's all Egyptian land.

Pakistan and Israel would do each other good by not establishing relations even though that means the larger of the two nations sacrificing some bad rapporteur for it superficially.

Traitors already tried it 2005. Those same traitors are creeping back in power with Cartoon-e-Azam PM Imran Khan's blessings.

Enlightened moderation may fool Muslims but Pakistanis will resist any such notion.

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

10/10. This sentiment is even stronger in children of Pakistani migrants in UK etc. Bizzarely they are subjects of a crown that birthed Israel and are okay with that but jump up and down on the matter of Pakistan recognizing Israel.

Their hypocrisy is amazingly retarded. However, I'm starting to see small changes in the younger generation of the Pakistani diaspora who are not like this.

 

[Indus Pakistan]

Pakistan WILL recognize Israel. It is not question of if but WHEN.The problem is for 70 years the ruling elite have pressure pumped generations of Pakistani's with hatred for Israel. No sermon by a mullah can be complete without the mandatory rant against Israel and Jews.

So now how the hell does the ruling elite make a U-turn? Any attempt and they will get lynched by the mobs. However expect work to begin in rolling back this 70 years of hatred after pappa Saudia Arabia reognizes Israel.

• then under Saudi pressure all the Pak elite, political [PTI,PML,PPP etc], the mullahs, the military, the media will all be aligned on platform to recognize Israel.
• then this combined platform will begin slowly but surely in rolling back the rampant hatred of Israel. First they will stop giving speaches against Israel, then slowly start being apologetic and understanding Israel.
• then when the fruit [the public] is ripe they will recognize Israel.

With countdown begining from the day Saudia recognizes Israel, call it Zero day I expect it would take minimum of ten to at about twenty years for Pakistan to recognize Israel. That is the time it would take to ripen the public. So pencil in 2030 to 2040 before Islamabad opens a embassy in Jurusalam and Star of David flutters over Islamabad.

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

Traitors already tried it 2005. Those same traitors are creeping back in power with Cartoon-e-Azam PM Imran Khan's blessings.

What's wrong with that? Israel has killed 0 Pakistanis yet we refuse to recognize them. india and indians are responsible for the deaths of many thousands of Pakistanis yet we do recognize them..............

The above picture is beautiful especially if you consider:

 

[Taimoor Khan]

Please don't commit shirk. Correct you sentence -

" focus on building Musims, stay united with tunnel vision approach towards building Islam as a major player in the world."

Shirk? Lost your marbles?

Pakistan without Islam doesn't exist, we are the 2nd state ever build in the name of Islam after the first one in Madina. In present geopolitical landscape, Islam will suffer more if Pakistan suffer more. Build Pakistan, Islam will rise again, by default. Its called fortress of Islam for no reason.

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

Pakistan WILL recognize Israel. It is not question of if but WHEN.The problem is for 70 years the ruling elite have pressure pumped generations of Pakistani's with hatred for Israel. No sermon by a mullah can be complete without the mandatory rant against Israel and Jews.

So now how the hell does the ruling elite make a U-turn? Any attempt and they will get lynched by the mobs. However expect work to begin in rolling back this 70 years of hatred after pappa Saudia Arabia reognizes Israel.

• then under Saudi pressure all the Pak elite, political [PTI,PML,PPP etc], the mullahs, the military, the media will all be aligned on platform to recognize Israel.
• then this combined platform will begin slowly but surely in rolling back the rampant hatred of Israel. First they will stop giving speaches against Israel, then slowly start being apologetic and understanding Israel.
• then when the fruit [the public] is ripe they will recognize Israel.

With countdown begining from the day Saudia recognizes Israel, call it Zero day I expect it would take minimum of ten to at about twenty years for Pakistan to recognize Israel. That is the time it would take to ripen the public. So pencil in 2030 to 2040 before Islamabad opens a embassy in Jurusalam and Star of David flutters over Islamabad.

I'm all for recognizing Israel but I'm concerned about the death and destruction that will be caused in Pakistan by certain sections of our society. They will cause hell on earth. Make no mistake about that.

 

[El Sidd]

I'm all for recognizing Israel but I'm concerned about the death and destruction that will be caused in Pakistan by certain sections of our society. They will cause hell on earth. Make no mistake about that.

Cain will kill righteous Abel for it.

 

[AgnosticIndian]

I have done research on the topic and have come to a conclusion. It is my learned opinion that Nationalism is shirk and against the principles of Islam. Indus Pakistan is absolutely right. So, every nationalist here worshipping his nation even to the levels above Allah (SWT), even if he may not realize it, will go to hell (according to Islam). You can confirm it with your local (or international, depending on your taste) Maulvi.

Two sources on this:

Ruling on Arab nationalism and undermining the position of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) - Islam Question & Answer

islamqa.info

Part Seven: Islam and Nationalism

Islam and nationalism as two opposite poles

www.al-islam.org

Another video source by Dr. Israr Ahmed:

Indeed, he explains that saluting the flag is Shirk.

Note: this is just a perspective, I'm not here to do a religious argument, as it is banned on the forum. If you think this post here is already over the limit mods are free to warn me to remove it. Sorry for any inconvenience caused.

 

[Mohsin A]

Pakistan has laid out it's terms loud and clear. Resolve the Palestinian issue. If this prerequisite isn't met, then Pakistan CAN NOT and WILL NOT recognise Israel. Simple! There is absolutely no reason why Pakistan should recognise a rogue and apartheid state. Only shameless "Islamic" countries would do such a thing.

 

[Thorough Pro]

Only authentic idiots would keep bringing up the topic after hearing a clear "NO" from the sitting PM of Pakistan. These idiotic articles are only written by idiotic Indians.

Will Pakistan become the next Muslim-majority nation to recognize Israel? Likely no, but if Pakistanis looked at the issue dispassionately, they would see that exchanging ambassadors with Jerusalem makes perfect sense.

Decisions by the United Arab Emirates, Bahrain, Sudan and Morocco to normalize ties with Israel have fueled speculation that Pakistan is preparing to follow suit. In a television interview in November, Prime Minister Imran Khan spoke of being under “pressure” from the U.S. and unnamed nations “with which we have good relations” to recognize Israel. Many commentators assumed that he meant Saudi Arabia and the U.A.E.

That same month, prominent Pakistani journalists also raised the question of normalization. Given the sensitivity of the topic, and the reluctance of most journalists to risk the military’s displeasure, this indicated that Pakistan’s powerful generals had probably instructed their mouthpieces to float a trial balloon.

But Islamabad is unlikely to move forward. In his November interview, Mr. Khan said Pakistan recognizing Israel would depend on a “just settlement” for the Palestinians. In December, Foreign Minister Shah Mahmood Qureshi said he had told the Emirati foreign minister that Pakistan “will not and cannot establish a relationship with Israel.




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