Islam from the eyes of another

[Dubious]

I agree with most of what you have said, but please don't be emotional like that - when we get emotional, we become punching bags for Islamophobes.

I didnt find that emotional I need to recheck my definition of that word

They drink openly but have the nerve to call other people Kafir and those mullahs actually have a following.

Yea the blind sheep! Wish they would just beat up these Mullah and take up proper Quran and Arabic classes...

People who want to bad-mouth Islam will always use the worst of people as an example - there is no surprise about that. But because of all that, we are stuck on the defensive, trying to defend Islam.

Islam doesnt need to be defended...I just feel offended when I am equated with rubbish!

When we say Islam is good they say ''then why are so many Muslims bad?''. When we tell them that those who are bad are going against Islam they'll say stuff like ''you're doing Takiya'' and ''no true Scotsman fallacy'' and whatnot. It's just a perpetual shitfest.

I am not even sure how much stand Takiya has ....

That's why my philosophy is to not go on the offense - just calmly defend Islam while working on improving my own knowledge and the conditions of Muslims.

I think I just have a very bad way of explaining...I am very much relaxed in fact I try to answer questions coz it forces me to fight myself to go search for a satisfying answer than rely on what one wants to feed me...

It's a very effective method, but most Muslims tend to get emotional instead. That's bad because like I said, we become punching bags when we're emotional.

Err...I know I may sound weird what exactly do you define being emotional as? You mean telling truth and showcasing their hypocrisy?

 

[TankMan]

I didnt find that emotional I need to recheck my definition of that word

Yea the blind sheep! Wish they would just beat up these Mullah and take up proper Quran and Arabic classes...



Islam doesnt need to be defended...I just feel offended when I am equated with rubbish!


I am not even sure how much stand Takiya has ....


I think I just have a very bad way of explaining...I am very much relaxed in fact I try to answer questions coz it forces me to fight myself to go search for a satisfying answer than rely on what one wants to feed me...


Err...I know I may sound weird what exactly do you define being emotional as? You mean telling truth and showcasing their hypocrisy?

What I meant by emotional - might not be the best word to describe it - is swearing, capitals etc on the internet and burning American flags and tires in real life. (I'm not saying you do that but many people do)

If you think your way of explaining is bad you could try bookmarking some articles like I do and just post a link or paste some parts of it, saves a lot of time.
A good site is Refuting lies about Islam - their little archive on the right has very good articles for almost every anti-Islam argument.

 

[Dubious]

What I meant by emotional - might not be the best word to describe it - is swearing, capitals etc on the internet and burning American flags and tires in real life. (I'm not saying you do that but many people do)

If you think your way of explaining is bad you could try bookmarking some articles like I do and just post a link or paste some parts of it, saves a lot of time.
A good site is Refuting lies about Islam - their little archive on the right has very good articles for almost every anti-Islam argument.

Yaar my laptop died along with all my resources saved in ms word (for ease of copy pasting)

Need to rebuild my database!

 

[TankMan]

Yaar my laptop died along with all my resources saved in ms word (for ease of copy pasting)

Need to rebuild my database!

Yea, happens a lot. I keep my stuff in a USB, learned my lesson after two PCs and a laptop died in my arms

 

[Desert Fox]

Actually 99% who arent supporting ISIS and leading a normal human life are! Its just that since 99% happen to look like the every day man and not going bonkers to attract attention, hence they are marginalized...

While news agencies are doing a very terrible job (experts say I will post the link at the end of this post) in showing only 1 side of the picture!

What ISIS Really Wants - The Atlantic

Well if that's the case that 99% of Muslims are following the example of our Prophet (PBUH) then why are Muslim countries some of the most corrupt and dysfunctional in the world??

Answer: Because most Muslims are not living by the example of Prophet Muhammad (PBUH).

 

[Dubious]

why are Muslim countries some of the most corrupt and dysfunctional in the world??

Answer: Because most Muslims are not living by the example of Prophet Muhammad (PBUH).

I didnt say 99% are following 100% the example of our prophet...But they are away from blowing themselves and the version media wants to pin on us!
The thread is dedicated to a certain version of Islam the media wants to pin on us....and if you want to bring in corruption then why are atheist who have no religion also found in the corrupted arena?

Why is Hindu India also having corruption problems? What about Christian Italy?

Islam came to teach every chapter in our lives from dressing, eating to governing to educating and manners.....Beither is being followed I agree....

However, when 1% is only doing their version of whatever (cant even call it Islam) then charging 99% of the Muslims to the same version is wrong and has to be addressed as wrong!

If we dont open our mouths we are counted as the guilt silent ones...when we do we are counted as fanatics or even obsessive? However, shit flowing out of Anjem Ch. who doesnt have any formal training in Islam nor is a scholar is always in the forefront, but when others give an idea that doesnt sell,people bring everything else in the argument except the topic at hand?

 

[Atheria]

When people talk about Christians they dont pick up Hitler nor Mussolini nor Stalin each was also practicing their religion while at war...No one picks up Queen Victoria or the Templar knights and her famous greed for land.....Then why are our WORST picken up? Not even the bad ones but WORST?! Why are we judged based on the lowest shit available?

I agree with rest of the post but not this part, I think the reason voilent christians like you mentioned aren't called Christian terrorists is because they don't give justifications from the bible, on the other hand ISIS or al-qaeda will quote Quran and hadith like it's nothing
btw stalin was an atheist

 

[Desert Fox]

I didnt say 99% are following 100% the example of our prophet...But they are away from blowing themselves and the version media wants to pin on us!
The thread is dedicated to a certain version of Islam the media wants to pin on us....and if you want to bring in corruption then why are atheist who have no religion also found in the corrupted arena?

Why is Hindu India also having corruption problems? What about Christian Italy?

Islam came to teach every chapter in our lives from dressing, eating to governing to educating and manners.....Beither is being followed I agree....

However, when 1% is only doing their version of whatever (cant even call it Islam) then charging 99% of the Muslims to the same version is wrong and has to be addressed as wrong!

If we dont open our mouths we are counted as the guilt silent ones...when we do we are counted as fanatics or even obsessive? However, shit flowing out of Anjem Ch. who doesnt have any formal training in Islam nor is a scholar is always in the forefront, but when others give an idea that doesnt sell,people bring everything else in the argument except the topic at hand?

Just because they are away from blowing themselves up doesn't mean they are all following example of Prophet Muhammad (PBUH).

In the West, If Muslims aren't blowing themselves up, they are raping/pimping White girls.

If they aren't raping/pimping White/non-Muslim girls, they are involved in selling drugs and robberies.

If they aren't selling drugs then they are involved in financial fraud & chor bazaari.



Hindus & Atheists are not Muslims. I'm talking about Muslims here.


Sure, the media plays a big role in portraying a negative image of Muslims, BUT the average Westerner will look at the behavior of the average Muslim as his closest source to pass judgement on Islam & confirm the negative bias of the media.Therefore the duty lies on the average Muslim to do his/her part in portraying Islam in the best image possible.

 

[Dubious]

I agree with rest of the post but not this part, I think the reason voilent christians like you mentioned aren't called Christian terrorists is because they don't give justifications from the bible, on the other hand ISIS or al-qaeda will quote Quran and hadith like it's nothing
btw stalin was an atheist

Templar knights got orders directly from the pope and bishops ....but no one picks them in a fight!

 

[India defense]

Religious thread is against the rule of PDF ....

 

[Dubious]

Just because they are away from blowing themselves up doesn't mean they are all following example of Prophet Muhammad (PBUH).

The conversation was on a particular topic...I didnt think when you talked about following as out of the particular topic...

In the West, If Muslims aren't blowing themselves up, they are raping/pimping White girls.

Are all of them? Is it a Majority? Why did the police ignore it when it first came to their knowledge? I believe I posted 3 articles in a thread regarding this!

If they aren't raping/pimping White/non-Muslim girls, they are involved in selling drugs and robberies.

What about the Christian cross wearing and church going S.American? Why arent we using them as examples of Christians?

If they aren't selling drugs then they are involved in financial fraud & chor bazaari.

Happens in Hindu India....

None of the above is restricted to religion, then why single out Islam?

Sure, the media plays a big role in portraying a negative image of Muslims, BUT the average Westerner will look at the behavior of the average Muslim as his closest source to pass judgement on Islam & confirm the negative bias of the media.

Like I asked again, is it the majority who are involved in these crimes and are they all ONLY Muslims?

Religious thread is against the rule of PDF ....

Yet in every thread Islam is bashed and when you show the normal side of an everyday Muslim it is questioned repeatedly and the thread is called as against the rules!! Well bashing Islam should also be against the rules, dont you think?

 

[India defense]

The conversation was on a particular topic...I didnt think when you talked about following as out of the particular topic...


Are all of them? Is it a Majority? Why did the police ignore it when it first came to their knowledge? I believe I posted 3 articles in a thread regarding this!


What about the Christian cross wearing and church going S.American? Why arent we using them as examples of Christians?


Happens in Hindu India....

None of the above is restricted to religion, then why single out Islam?


Like I asked again, is it the majority who are involved in these crimes and are they all ONLY Muslims?


Yet in every thread Islam is bashed and when you show the normal side of an everyday Muslim it is questioned repeatedly and the thread is called as against the rules!! Well bashing Islam should also be against the rules, dont you think?

Yes I agree. Bashing any religion should be against the rules. Religion is a everybody's personal matter. Including your statement in bold

 

[Dubious]

Yes I agree. Bashing any religion should be against the rules. Religion is a everybody's personal matter. Including your statement in bold

Is India not Hindu majority? It and Nepal are literally the only countries which are Hindu majority so how is that bashing?

How is that a bashing? I also equally gave Christian example!

 

[India defense]

Is India not Hindu majority? It and Nepal are literally the only countries which are Hindu majority so how is that bashing?

How is that a bashing? I also equally gave Christian example!

India is a secular country not Hindu country and Indian don't like to hear.....Hindu India.....Please call .....India

No need to answer me since it is off topic

 

[Black Mamba1]

Just a random thread to show case people's different emotions/ feelings/ words that go in when they are introduced to Islam in a different manner...

NO TROLLING PLEASE!


No trolls please!

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I have travelled at least 20 countries for my job nature including Muslim and Arab countries. Interacted with people of different races, religions. I found normal people who do not have any reason to think adversely about Islam think like so due to following popular perceptions/beliefs ( Not true always)

1. Islam is not limit itself to personal belief. It controls the social life of its believers. That is why Muslims find it difficult to mix with other ethnic people
2. As per religious directive Muslims consider non Muslims as a Kuffir. They don't respect others, just tolerate them due to law and some other reasons
3. Many believe considering the Prophet as last , stops further developments reinterpretation of religion with time. Muslims are living in a mindset which was progressive 1400 years back but now a backward system.
4. Muslims give importance to external process of the religion than core content which helps improving human qualities.
5. Muslims are trying to bring back a society which existed 1400 years back within then " backward" Arabs
6. All Muslim related problems are Saudi funded or have Pakistan origin.
7. Muslims plan to capture their country through over reproduction
8. migrated Muslims take all benefits of a free nations when they are there but in their own countries they leave no stone unturned to restrict rights and freedom of other people through draconian laws like law of Blasphemy etc
9. Islam advocates for a completely male dominated society and do not consider women complete human beings
10. Most Muslim believes that there can be no knowledge which is not there in the holy book. This makes them adverse to science and technology.
11. Muslims are extremely worried with after life than the current life. They think it is only a small tough time only which they have to bear. They do not bother to improve this life.
12.

Many of the above are not true. But these are popular perception. People who believe these are not typical antimuslims. Many liberals of those countries think in this way.

Muslims should prepare a sincere strategy to reverse these perceptions. I must say " We do not care" attitude is not a very good strategy in this case .