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ISI Chief should resign,says ANP Bushra Gohar

Since our military Pandits are allergic to civilians, I think Pasha should tender his resignation to the OBL widows.
You know, no body is safe in Pakistan. even OBL got killed in target killing.

Childish rants... Pasha should resign because haqqani sent memos to USA ? haqqani and zardari are civilians right?and there is proof tht they sent the memo? what proof do you have tht Pasha wants to oust them?


The irony is tht your name is sikander... the name of an invader who was dealt with by a rajput/punjabi king frm jehlum while the son of soil Porus remains unkown...yet his own people are naming their sons after an invading bandit frm macedonia..lol

And your post is thanked by an indian troll... :rofl:
 
On whom should we put our trust on then? The corrupt civilian government which hasn't done an iota thing for general public since last 3-4 years?
Let the politicians do their role, The nation has already seen enough achievements of military dictators. Military has no right to judge the performance of civilians, when their own reputation has always kissed the toes.
Enough is enough
 
On whom should we put our trust on then?

People's representatives(The government and Opposition), and Judiciary. You can't just loot a country to it's demise. Don't you learn anything from current affairs? Didn't the opposition drag The Government to SC on every issue they felt necessary? Should the Government decide to ignore SC's orders, SC can call Army to help implement the verdict. So there's no such thing as ''They'll destroy the country. No sir, they won't.
 
Childish rants... Pasha should resign because haqqani sent memos to USA ? haqqani and zardari are civilians right?and there is proof tht they sent the memo? what proof do you have tht Pasha wants to oust them?


The irony is tht your name is sikander... the name of an invader who was dealt with by a rajput/punjabi king frm jehlum while the son of soil Porus remains unkown...yet his own people are naming their sons after an invading bandit frm macedonia..lol

And your post is thanked by an indian troll... :rofl:

Man, seriously? What do you think the SC is waiting for if it's already proved that the Government is involved in it? The very same Mansoor Aijaz who's blaming Haqqani said Gen Pasha visited Arab countries to seek approval of some senior Arab leaders to sack the Civilian Government. He may disagree with this now, but isn't that all he does? Amend his statements whenever he wants. and why get personal? Stay on issue.
 
Childish rants... Pasha should resign because haqqani sent memos to USA ? haqqani and zardari are civilians right?and there is proof tht they sent the memo? what proof do you have tht Pasha wants to oust them?
It isn't Haqqani,This So called memo has been written by an anti pakistan Qayadani Ijaz Masoor to another American Mike Mullen. And not a sigle point of this memo has been implemented, so whats the problem.

- Kayani is there on his seat
- Pasha is there
- Nuclear program is safe and sound (even expanding after OBL episode) two more missiles testes by Pakistan (Nasr and multitube babur) after 2 may.
- No one has been removed from ISI in connection with OBL harbouring.

In short, not a single point of this so called memo has been implemented.

Pasha has staged this whole drama to gain yet another extension.
The irony is tht your name is sikander... the name of an invader who was dealt with by a rajput/punjabi king frm jehlum while the son of soil Porus remains unkown...yet his own people are naming their sons after an invading bandit frm macedonia..lol
Not interested the story you just wrote. I am a Pakistani and i love my country and i Don't need certificates from any one.
Unlike you and our military establishment, i consider all pakistani equally patriotic.

And your post is thanked by an indian troll... :rofl:
Noting wrong if an indian thanked me, many pakistanis have also thanked me. Any how i dont care for these meaningless thanks.
 
Man, seriously? What do you think the SC is waiting for if it's already proved that the Government is involved in it? The very same Mansoor Aijaz who's blaming Haqqani said Gen Pasha was visited Arab countries to seek approval of some senior Arab leaders to sack the Civilian Government. He may disagree with this now, but isn't that all he does? Amend his statements whenever he wants. and why get personal? Stay on issue.

The accusation against zardari and haqqani are based on solid proof plus american govts statement on the issue... while nothing abt Gen Pasha is out there.... In the last few years PA has never stepped against the govt... while the PPP led govt has done everything against the nation which benefits them...
 
It isn't Haqqani,This So called memo has been written by an anti pakistan Qayadani Ijaz Masoor to another American Mike Mullen. And not a sigle point of this memo has been implemented, so whats the problem.

- Kayani is there on his seat
- Pasha is there
- Nuclear program is safe and sound (even expanding after OBL episode) two more missiles testes by Pakistan (Nasr and multitube babur) after 2 may.
- No one has been removed from ISI in connection with OBL harbouring.

In short, not a single point of this so called memo has been implemented.

Pasha has staged this whole drama to gain yet another extension.

Not interested the story you just wrote. I am a Pakistani and i love my country and i Don't need certificates from any one.
Unlike you and our military establishment, i consider all pakistani equally patriotic.


Noting wrong if an indian thanked me, many pakistanis have also thanked me. Any how i dont care for these meaningless thanks.

Not interested to argue with a PPP jiyala...


PPP is nothing more than a pathetic political party...
 
The accusation against zardari and haqqani are based on solid proof plus american govts statement on the issue... while nothing abt Gen Pasha is out there.... In the last few years PA has never stepped against the govt... while the PPP led govt has done everything against the nation which benefits them...

Solid proof like a piece of paper with fantasies typed? Do you really believe Civilian Government is capable of delivering the promises made in that memorandum? And the American Govt. statements I know of are by Gen. James Jones, which do I need to remind you says what? And Gen. Mullen who clearly says He didn't even bother taking that piece of paper seriously.

If that's your solid proof, then God bless you.
 
The men uniform are doing stupidities for the last 64 years. They have always let down the people of Pakistan and reduced the size of our mother land every time they came to power.

- General Ayub handed over Akasai Chin to China.
- General Yahya handed over sizeable portion of Baluchistan full to oil reserves to Iran.
- Genral Yahya successfully completed the Bangladesh project. (reduced Pakistan to half).
- General Zia let india take control of Siachin.
- During musharaf regime Pakistan completely lost its control over FATA (all 8 agencies) which is almost twice the area of Azad Kashmir and Handed over bases to USA.


As for the achievement of ISI.

Their only specialty is political manipulation and patronizing of militant groups. (Lashkr-e- Taiba, Jaish Muhammad, Taliban, harkatul Mujahideen etc etc. )

Don't forget sizable part of Pakistans Budget goes to military plus zero chance of any body to compete with military in business fields if they have a plant you cant get a license.
 
The men uniform are doing stupidities for the last 64 years. They have always let down the people of Pakistan and reduced the size of our mother land every time they came to power.

- General Ayub handed over Akasai Chin to China.
- General Yahya handed over sizeable portion of Baluchistan full to oil reserves to Iran.
- Genral Yahya successfully completed the Bangladesh project. (reduced Pakistan to half).
- General Zia let india take control of Siachin.
- During musharaf regime Pakistan completely lost its control over FATA (all 8 agencies) which is almost twice the area of Azad Kashmir and Handed over bases to USA.


^^^^^^^^^^^above is really questionable but first we should investigate what really happened in memo scandal.
 
The men uniform are doing stupidities for the last 64 years. They have always let down the people of Pakistan and reduced the size of our mother land every time they came to power.

- General Ayub handed over Akasai Chin to China.
- General Yahya handed over sizeable portion of Baluchistan full to oil reserves to Iran.
- Genral Yahya successfully completed the Bangladesh project. (reduced Pakistan to half).
- General Zia let india take control of Siachin.
- During musharaf regime Pakistan completely lost its control over FATA (all 8 agencies) which is almost twice the area of Azad Kashmir and Handed over bases to USA.


As for the achievement of ISI.

Their only specialty is political manipulation and patronizing of militant groups. (Lashkr-e- Taiba, Jaish Muhammad, Taliban, harkatul Mujahideen etc etc. )

Aksai Chin has been traditionally part of Sinkiang province of China. In 1865 Johnson proposed a boundary line which showed most of Aksai Chin as Part of State of Jammu & Kashmir. This was however severely criticised and in 1890 British proposed the Macartney-MacMohan line where nearly 18000 KM of Aksai Chin was accepted as part of Sinkiang province with border at the Karakorum Pass. Later, when it was feared that Russian might claim the Sinkiang province British reverted back to the Johnson line. Border was however never demarcated.

On October 3, 1962 Pakistan signed an agreement with China accepting border at Macartney-MacMohan line which is the border today. China in the meantime moved ahead and current line of control between Indian and China is on Macartney-MacMohan line which India strongly disputes.

Pray tell me, on what basis you make the claim that Ayub Khan gave away part of Pakistan to China? Suppose it would have made you very happy that Pakistan had fought a war with China over this as we did with India over Kashmir?

Iran Baluchistan border - I have never before come across this crap except by some United Baluchistan Front people. My Hon. Fellow member, Baluchistan as well as Afghanistan have been traditionally part of Iran. With the formation of independent Afghanistan under Ahmad Shah Abdali, in 1714 Khan of Kalaat accepted subjugation of Afghanistan and became part of the Durrani Empire. Border with Iran was never defined and remained so another 150 years. Kalaat was conquered by the British in 1854 during the first Afghan war. Border with Iran was finally demarcated in 1896.

Pakistan and Iran signed an agreement on Feb 6,1958 and the line based on agreements of 1871 & 1895 as demarcated in 1896 was accept as international boundary. Kindly advise how you came to conclusion that Yahya Khan gave away Pakistani land to Iran? No fuel reservoir as yet discovered on that border. Iranian reserves are on the Iran -Iraq border lands and todate nearly all gas and oil reserves in Baluch areas are in the Eastern region.

Siachin - I personally am aware of the mountain expeditions to Saltoro Range going from Pakistan. I even have a Pakistani stamp showing it. Prior to 1984 neither Pakistan nor India had any permanent posts in the Siachin region. Even the Simla Accord of Feb 2, 1972 between ZA Bhutto and Indra Gandhi left it as it was.

India pre-empted and on 13th April 1984 secured the passes Sia La and Bilafond la, thus cutting off about 1000 sq. kilometres of territorty. A conflict developed and has been going on since. Why do you blame Zia, why didn’t Bhutto order establishment of posts there after 1972?

FATA has been lost to us thru spread of Islamic terrorism. The same thing happened in Swat and also in Lal Masjid. I still hear Musharraf blamed for ‘Shaheeds’ of Lal Masjid (they were in fact thugs and terrorirsts). No one cares to mention that Lal Masjid thugs did not have to fight PA with guns. They were given ample opportunity to lay down their arms. But then Pakistani society has little love for Pakistan when it comes to Islam.

TTP thugs aligned with Al-Qaida have occupied FATA. Musharraf did not let them have it. Musharraf ordered military action but was strongly criticised by everyone. Even the Taliban loving main stream politician Imran Khan to this days maintains that this is not Pakistan’s war. Why do you blame Musharraf, blame all the Islamic fundamentalists and Taliban sympathizers including TV pundit Hamid Mir for the loss of FATA to Taliban.

It is deeply disappointing to see learned people making historically incorrect statements.
 
Aksai Chin has been traditionally part of Sinkiang province of China. In 1865 Johnson proposed a boundary line which showed most of Aksai Chin as Part of State of Jammu & Kashmir. This was however severely criticised and in 1890 British proposed the Macartney-MacMohan line where nearly 18000 KM of Aksai Chin was accepted as part of Sinkiang province with border at the Karakorum Pass. Later, when it was feared that Russian might claim the Sinkiang province British reverted back to the Johnson line. Border was however never demarcated.

On October 3, 1962 Pakistan signed an agreement with China accepting border at Macartney-MacMohan line which is the border today. China in the meantime moved ahead and current line of control between Indian and China is on Macartney-MacMohan line which India strongly disputes.

Pray tell me, on what basis you make the claim that Ayub Khan gave away part of Pakistan to China? Suppose it would have made you very happy that Pakistan had fought a war with China over this as we did with India over Kashmir?

Iran Baluchistan border - I have never before come across this crap except by some United Baluchistan Front people. My Hon. Fellow member, Baluchistan as well as Afghanistan have been traditionally part of Iran. With the formation of independent Afghanistan under Ahmad Shah Abdali, in 1714 Khan of Kalaat accepted subjugation of Afghanistan and became part of the Durrani Empire. Border with Iran was never defined and remained so another 150 years. Kalaat was conquered by the British in 1854 during the first Afghan war. Border with Iran was finally demarcated in 1896.

Pakistan and Iran signed an agreement on Feb 6,1958 and the line based on agreements of 1871 & 1895 as demarcated in 1896 was accept as international boundary. Kindly advise how you came to conclusion that Yahya Khan gave away Pakistani land to Iran?

Siachin - I personally am aware of the mountain expeditions to Saltoro Range going from Pakistan. I even have a Pakistani stamp showing it. Prior to 1984 neither Pakistan nor India had any permanent posts in the Siachin region. Even the Simla Accord of Feb 2, 1972 between ZA Bhutto and Indra Gandhi left it as it was.

India pre-empted and on 13th April 1984 secured the passes Sia La and Bilafond la, thus cutting off about 1000 sq. kilometres of territorty. A conflict developed and has been going on since. Why do you blame Zia, why didn’t Bhutto order establishment of posts there after 1972?

FATA has been lost to us thru spread of Islamic terrorism. The same thing happened in Swat and also in Lal Masjid. I still hear Musharraf blamed for ‘Shaheeds’ of Lal Masjid (they were in fact thugs and terrorirsts). No one care to mention that Lal Masjid thugs did not have to fight PA with guns. They were given ample opportunity to lay down their arms. But then Pakistani society has little love for Pakistan when it comes to Islam.

TTP thugs aligned with Al-Qaida have occupied FATA. Musharraf did not let them have it. Musharraf ordered military action but was strongly criticised by everyone. Even the Taliban loving main stream politician Imran Khan to this days maintains that this is not Pakistan’s war. Why do you blame Musharraf, blame all the Islamic fundamentalists and Taliban sympathizers including TV pundit Hamid Mir for the loss of FATA to Taliban.

It is deeply disappointing to see learned people making historically incorrect statements.

You cant just give away land because of british signed agreements can you? if so.... than NWFP should also be given to afghanistan... and the whole of afghanistan and baluchistan should be part of iran?
 
Aksai Chin has been traditionally part of Sinkiang province of China. In 1865 Johnson proposed a boundary line which showed most of Aksai Chin as Part of State of Jammu & Kashmir. This was however severely criticised and in 1890 British proposed the Macartney-MacMohan line where nearly 18000 KM of Aksai Chin was accepted as part of Sinkiang province with border at the Karakorum Pass. Later, when it was feared that Russian might claim the Sinkiang province British reverted back to the Johnson line. Border was however never demarcated.

On October 3, 1962 Pakistan signed an agreement with China accepting border at Macartney-MacMohan line which is the border today. China in the meantime moved ahead and current line of control between Indian and China is on Macartney-MacMohan line which India strongly disputes.

Pray tell me, on what basis you make the claim that Ayub Khan gave away part of Pakistan to China? Suppose it would have made you very happy that Pakistan had fought a war with China over this as we did with India over Kashmir?

Iran Baluchistan border - I have never before come across this crap except by some United Baluchistan Front people. My Hon. Fellow member, Baluchistan as well as Afghanistan have been traditionally part of Iran. With the formation of independent Afghanistan under Ahmad Shah Abdali, in 1714 Khan of Kalaat accepted subjugation of Afghanistan and became part of the Durrani Empire. Border with Iran was never defined and remained so another 150 years. Kalaat was conquered by the British in 1854 during the first Afghan war. Border with Iran was finally demarcated in 1896.

Pakistan and Iran signed an agreement on Feb 6,1958 and the line based on agreements of 1871 & 1895 as demarcated in 1896 was accept as international boundary. Kindly advise how you came to conclusion that Yahya Khan gave away Pakistani land to Iran? No fuel reservoir as yet discovered on that border. Iranian reserves are on the Iran -Iraq border lands and todate nearly all gas and oil reserves in Baluch areas are in the Eastern region.

Siachin - I personally am aware of the mountain expeditions to Saltoro Range going from Pakistan. I even have a Pakistani stamp showing it. Prior to 1984 neither Pakistan nor India had any permanent posts in the Siachin region. Even the Simla Accord of Feb 2, 1972 between ZA Bhutto and Indra Gandhi left it as it was.

India pre-empted and on 13th April 1984 secured the passes Sia La and Bilafond la, thus cutting off about 1000 sq. kilometres of territorty. A conflict developed and has been going on since. Why do you blame Zia, why didn’t Bhutto order establishment of posts there after 1972?

FATA has been lost to us thru spread of Islamic terrorism. The same thing happened in Swat and also in Lal Masjid. I still hear Musharraf blamed for ‘Shaheeds’ of Lal Masjid (they were in fact thugs and terrorirsts). No one cares to mention that Lal Masjid thugs did not have to fight PA with guns. They were given ample opportunity to lay down their arms. But then Pakistani society has little love for Pakistan when it comes to Islam.

TTP thugs aligned with Al-Qaida have occupied FATA. Musharraf did not let them have it. Musharraf ordered military action but was strongly criticised by everyone. Even the Taliban loving main stream politician Imran Khan to this days maintains that this is not Pakistan’s war. Why do you blame Musharraf, blame all the Islamic fundamentalists and Taliban sympathizers including TV pundit Hamid Mir for the loss of FATA to Taliban.

It is deeply disappointing to see learned people making historically incorrect statements.
your analysis cum hypothesis is of no vain because here we are discussing the failures of pakistan armed forces and intelligence agencies here is my list of failures which i think should be addressed and my suggestion is budget of armed forces and particularly ISI should be made public

in 1965 army went for kashmir through giblartar and failed
in 1971 army went to defend east pakistan and failed
in 1988 army failed to pre-empt indian bid to occupy siachen
in 1998 army again went for kashmir and failed in kargill
and from 2001 from 2011 army has failed agianst terrorism
 
=niaz; Siachin - I personally am aware of the mountain expeditions to Saltoro Range going from Pakistan. I even have a Pakistani stamp showing it. Prior to 1984 neither Pakistan nor India had any permanent posts in the Siachin region. Even the Simla Accord of Feb 2, 1972 between ZA Bhutto and Indra Gandhi left it as it was.

India pre-empted and on 13th April 1984 secured the passes Sia La and Bilafond la, thus cutting off about 1000 sq. kilometres of territorty. A conflict developed and has been going on since. Why do you blame Zia, why didn’t Bhutto order establishment of posts there after 1972?

Wasn't Zia a general in-charge of Country and its defenses during the Indian adventure till today i dont understand why didn't the military retaliate with full force why they didn't do there job.but its always easier to blame the dead guy as it was his job at the time to be protecting Pakistan from his grave not the General who put himself In_charge of the country by force.

FATA has been lost to us thru spread of Islamic terrorism. The same thing happened in Swat and also in Lal Masjid. I still hear Musharraf blamed for ‘Shaheeds’ of Lal Masjid (they were in fact thugs and terrorirsts). No one cares to mention that Lal Masjid thugs did not have to fight PA with guns. They were given ample opportunity to lay down their arms. But then Pakistani society has little love for Pakistan when it comes to Islam.

Last i checked ISI was aware of and helping it grow so the same agency who job is to protect Pakistan was actually sporting the cancer with in and now all of sudden we are to blame some one else sorry.

TTP thugs aligned with Al-Qaida have occupied FATA. Musharraf did not let them have it. Musharraf ordered military action but was strongly criticized by everyone. Even the Taliban loving main stream politician Imran Khan to this days maintains that this is not Pakistan’s war. Why do you blame Musharraf, blame all the Islamic fundamentalists and Taliban sympathizers including TV pundit Hamid Mir for the loss of FATA to Taliban.

Again we run into same here A General in-charge here didn't come to power cause people voted for him and had no problem dissolving and elected government all off sudden cares what people think .
May i remind you sir Military Job is to protect the country at all cost not run it like a politician who is more interested in saving his votes.
And when you think of Islamic extremist in FATA Hamid Gul again an ex general comes to mind or we are not suppose to remember that it wont be that easy for the Military to keep screwing up and keep changing the history.

It is deeply disappointing to see learned people making historically incorrect statements
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Pakistani history is full of men in uniform thinking they now best and here we are now cause of there policies and interference in day to day running of the country we have lost our land to Indians cause the Military was to busy doing any thing but there job most of our crown corporations are bankrupt as most were being run by retired military personals we are highly in debt as we have to barrow heavy to please the military and the problem is FATA is still there as again they cant clean the mess they created please feel free to correct me.
 
No ISI Chief has ever resigned because an MNA desired so. IF Pak media is to be believed many MNAs are on ISI's pay. Her demand has just gone up, I believe!!
 

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