Is There Still Genuine Hope From Imran Khan?

[Tameem]

Its been less than 1 year for a PM who has never been in such an office before. Lower your expectations and then things will start falling into place. Every single thing is relative. Is the economy better or worse? Well in certain things its better, in others its challenged.

Pakistan requires sustainable, long term policies. Not the policies of those trying to win votes. I was never a PTI or IK supporter. I used to be one of those who questioned his policies even regarding the Taliban etc. But like everyone else, experiences and age changes one. IK is no different. He is learning and if certified corruption kings like Zardari and Sharifs can be given multiple changes (through direct or proxy rule), this chap, IK, deserves a full 5 years to rule Pakistan and even after that, another 5. His person is not corrupt and to end endemic culture of corruption in Pakistan, that in itself is a massive, massive change.

I am also a firm believer that Pakistan's economy is on the mend. It will take time and that is unfortunately something that our people aren't too patient about. But what's been broken over 6 decades will take more than 5 years to get better.

The outlook has to be positive, the sentiment has to be optimistic. Just these two things have changed the destinies of nations. Give him a chance. That is the least that we owe a decent, honest human specially given we have taken shit for far, far too long from far more corrupt and dishonest politicians in the past.

You are quite right; IK should be give Full 5 years and as a matter of fact the main opposition party PMLN as well as other parties like PPP, ANP etc quite content of giving Khan full 5 years, that is why you see desperate statement from Mr. Fazl-ur-Rehman these days...don't you? There is absolutely no movement in planning to dislodge IK/PTI govt anytime soon....marks it.

Only "Selectors" are desperate....no one else.

 

[xyxmt]

Pakistan's hope is as much as a tree where every leaf is rotten and every branch is eaten by a moth only one branch is alive

 

[Adam_Khan]

Never been a fan of IK but it's still not a good idea to finish his government.You have to given democracy chance..A limping democracy is still better than a military dictatorship.

 

[Aumkar Thakur]

Imran Khan really want good for Pakistan but the problem is previous government has made Pakistan's economy so crippled that it will take 15 good year of Imran Khan rule to make everything stable again. Also if civilian bureaucracy and military don't interfere in government matters that would be great.

 

[imadul]

For carity, majority knows level of problems and wants to give IK and PTI time, 5 years. Question is:
1. Is there capacity: Experts, ministers, advisors?
2. Is there capability: Are above skillful, resourceful, intelligent to solve enormous problems?
3. Right person picked for right job?
4. Direction.

There is too much advice and instructions from Security Establishment, so who is the Chief Chef?

All want IK to be successful especially educated class, middleclass, upper middleclass.

 

[blain2]

Can you tell me about failures of Asad umar as a finance minister ? PTI was telling opposition that it take some time for economic indicator or policies to be visible after opposition left economy in mess yet they concluded in 9 months that Asada Umar is not performing in finance ministry and they replaced him with someone who served in previous corrupt government whom economic policies they were criticising .. Asad umar was only trying to implement the economic policy of prime minister because IK did not wanted to go to IMF and wanted to avoid it. If asad umar was failure then we can say that Imran has no capacity to appoint right candidate for right job

I am not saying the Assad Umar was at fault. He got in the job with things already really bad. The issue is one of perception. He was seen as not effectively communicating and dithering on multiple fronts. IK and his government have been taking a lot of heat on this.

The new chap, Hafeez, is not a bad option either and also take note that he himself is not personally corrupt. He served the Musharraf government well and Pakistan's economy did alright through the stabilization efforts he drove. It was this work which got him into the job during PPP's tenure and now in the PTI government. He is not a Jiyala, and he is not beholden to any party. In other words, to me he is a bit of a technocrat with good credentials and experience in running a fiscal policy owed to 3 decades of experience in this arena.

It remains to be seen how we get out of the current impasse on the economy. Sometimes change is needed. Perhaps Assad Umar, who I personally respect, was not seen as being proactive enough and took the hit.

IK needs to drive change and be ruthless about it. With the change, although unfortunate that Assad Umar had to go, I am optimistic that it has come into capable/experienced hands, albeit don't expect a magic wand.

 

[FOOLS_NIGHTMARE]

People commenting on this forum are all patriotic which so ever party they support. I dont support Imran for X amount of reasons but do wish him to complete his tenure which seems very unlikely at the moment.If he does the following he might succeed.
1)Open dialogue with all the parties and agree on a Financial pact/contract.
2)Stop this constant chor chor mantra and let the courts decide the outcomes. Business is very scared and the growth is shrinking. If he persists probably we will reach a melting point sooner than expected.
3)Seek collective wisdom rather than self projection.
4)Ensure new laws and legislation are seeked for socio economic benefits.
5)Dont let the Deep State dictate you a lot.
6)Select a good team of experts other than favourites.
7)Talk less and do more.
8) Unite all shades of the nation rather than creating further rifts.
There are a few more ideas but if Imran is serious he should at least start from the above.

 

[Dubious]

1)Open dialogue with all the parties and agree on a Financial pact/contract.

He more or less did this when he allowed a man on corruption charges to be head of PAC

2)Stop this constant chor chor mantra and let the courts decide the outcomes. Business is very scared and the growth is shrinking. If he persists probably we will reach a melting point sooner than expected.

Courts are letting free the chor. ..just watch LHC and IHC and their cases....

Its been less than 1 year for a PM who has never been in such an office before. Lower your expectations and then things will start falling into place. Every single thing is relative. Is the economy better or worse? Well in certain things its better, in others its challenged.

Pakistan requires sustainable, long term policies. Not the policies of those trying to win votes. I was never a PTI or IK supporter. I used to be one of those who questioned his policies even regarding the Taliban etc. But like everyone else, experiences and age changes one. IK is no different. He is learning and if certified corruption kings like Zardari and Sharifs can be given multiple changes (through direct or proxy rule), this chap, IK, deserves a full 5 years to rule Pakistan and even after that, another 5. His person is not corrupt and to end endemic culture of corruption in Pakistan, that in itself is a massive, massive change.

I am also a firm believer that Pakistan's economy is on the mend. It will take time and that is unfortunately something that our people aren't too patient about. But what's been broken over 6 decades will take more than 5 years to get better.

The outlook has to be positive, the sentiment has to be optimistic. Just these two things have changed the destinies of nations. Give him a chance. That is the least that we owe a decent, honest human specially given we have taken shit for far, far too long from far more corrupt and dishonest politicians in the past.


No, Asad Umar served at the discretion of the PM who in turn was given 5 years by this nation! Asad Umar can advise the government and IK in a personal capacity but he has taken the hit for the economy not turning around quickly enough. If he is a PTI and IK stalwart, he will need to serve in a different capacity.

We seem to be a crazy nation..
Who will re-vote for looters saying there isn't anything better even though the same looters claimed to change name if they can't deliver and didn't deliver but maintained that name (Shahbaz )..

But another man (IK) in the same position isn't even given 5 yrs to test his abilities before judgemental crowd is dismantling his abilities!

Weird nation will re-vote for 3 decades and not see human Dev and see roads and be happy but a man who is fighting for basic rights and working on human who are citizens of Pakistan and this guy is being judged and challenged by same people who were silent when looted?

 

[Pakistan Space Agency]

I wish that the same question would have been asked when the thugs ruled this country for 10 years.. Irony is that when some one loyal and honest comes to power, all of sudden the whole nation wakes up and wants the leader to wash away all the wrongs with in a day... On contrary no body is ready to change himself from poor to rich we all are the same.. If we expect that IK is going to change the things with out changing ourselves then we are living in fools paradise

This so called "loyal and honest" promised miracles from day one but so far this so called "loyal and honest" has proven to be inexperienced, incapable and a waste of time.

Pakistanis can't wait around for five-years of economic suffering while this so called "loyal and honest" tries out different experiments at the expense of Pakistani economy to see what works.

 

[FOOLS_NIGHTMARE]

He more or less did this when he allowed a man on corruption charges to be head of PAC


Courts are letting free the chor. ..just watch LHC and IHC and their cases....


We seem to be a crazy nation..
Who will re-vote for looters saying there isn't anything better even though the same looters claimed to change name if they can't deliver and didn't deliver but maintained that name (Shahbaz )..

But another man (IK) in the same position isn't even given 5 yrs to test his abilities before judgemental crowd is dismantling his abilities!

Weird nation will re-vote for 3 decades and not see human Dev and see roads and be happy but a man who is fighting for basic rights and working on human who are citizens of Pakistan and this guy is being judged and challenged by same people who were silent when looted?

Do you really believe in this chor chor mantra(apart from zardari) then we have a problem. Though i am not here to advocate the Shareefs but knowing there family for 5 decades in Pakistan and Uk i find this rhetoric absurd and childish. As our Deep state who influences everything from courts to the media have only chor chor and ghaddaar mantras for every Pm since our inception.I am sure a big file on Imran is also on its last phase. Any thing from party funds,zakat collections,dharna fundings on anything as silly as sex tapes can be enough to indict Imran if they desire. Lets see how the summer unfolds good luck.

 

[Dubious]

Do you really believe in this chor chor mantra(apart from zardari) then we have a problem. Though i am not here to advocate the Shareefs but knowing there family for 5 decades in Pakistan and Uk i find this rhetoric absurd and childish. As our Deep state who influences everything from courts to the media have only chor chor and ghaddaar mantras for every Pm since our inception.I am sure a big file on Imran is also on its last phase. Any thing from party funds,zakat collections,dharna fundings on anything as silly as sex tapes can be enough to indict Imran if they desire. Lets see how the summer unfolds good luck.

The problem with most Pakistanis is they blame one sector....when in reality there are multiple factors independent of each other because everyone is selfish and working for themselves

And yes I do believe there are chores in every department

 

[FOOLS_NIGHTMARE]

The problem with most Pakistanis is they blame one sector....when in reality there are multiple factors independent of each other because everyone is selfish and working for themselves

And yes I do believe there are chores in every department

Can you enlighten me of what type of chori, when was it conducted and where was it done(shareefs). Other wise i can only see a leader misguiding his followers in wrongly accusing others and making them a fodder for hell fire.
Honestly i have been in politics for 35 years but never seen a cult so gullible and naive that follows blindly to a leader that cannot corroborate the very next day what he uttered.

 

[Dubious]

Can you enlighten me of what type of chori, when was it conducted and where was it done(shareefs). Other wise i can only see a leader misguiding his followers in wrongly accusing others and making them a fodder for hell fire.
Honestly i have been in politics for 35 years but never seen a cult so gullible and naive that follows blindly to a leader that cannot corroborate the very next day what he uttered.

Firstly I never singled out NS you making it solely about shariff shows more about you than anything.

Secondly how do you multiply wealth when in office? Why hide wealth? Why can't you prove your purchases? Why did you need to make up fake Qatari prince and why shariff daughter get trapped in calibre forgery? Why were forged stuff needed if everyhing is legit ?Why did Panama name him? Why his son made slip of tongue so often?

If shariff is so innocent he didn't have to do any of the above but reality is he ticked all the boxes ...

As for 35 yrs in politics...why so many cases against shariff in so many projects? Why was project cost always increased froom estimates? If shariff have 30 yrs of experience and show so much incompetency what is their experience in?

How could they forget drainage in metro? Why was no one fired or fined but instead more money spent to fix blunders?

Why in so many regions of Punjab where shariff won did the roads need to be "repaired" only to be torn within weeks forgetting pipes and made again then torn forgetting sewage lines and then made and torn forgetting electric cables and stuff? Why so much incompetency....I am talking about many such incidents all over Punjab. ..even the road in front of my grandma's place was torn more than 5c in past 30 yrs and is still in a terrible stage coz it is 30 yrs now time to change some pipes or lines and torn again...cycle continues...tell me what shitty experience?

 

[Counter-Errorist]

Honestly i have been in politics for 35 years but never seen a cult so gullible and naive that follows blindly to a leader that cannot corroborate the very next day what he uttered.

Really?! Then you've never really been in politics!

Trump and Modi are prime examples of active cult-driven leaders. And these are just current and active. Politics is fueled by cults. PTI is no-where the level of cult-like personality you allege.

 

[FOOLS_NIGHTMARE]

Really?! Then you've never really been in politics!

Trump and Modi are prime examples of active cult-driven leaders. And these are just current and active. Politics is fueled by cults. PTI is no-where the level of cult-like personality you allege.

I was referring to Pakistan. Yes i agree the social media fake news revolution has duped the whole globe. Imagine recently Ukraine electing a comedian as their President.