Is the Chinese Military Weaker Than We Think?

[kaku1]

Indian military got massacred by the PLA.
End of story.


PLA victory over the Indian military proved China, Chinese people and Chinese civilisation is vastly superior to India, Indian people and Indian civilisation.

That humiliating and spirit-crushing defeat inflicted mental scars on the entire Indian population because India realised it is an inferior country and people to its historical neighbour China.

Are you idiot or what? In the same analogy, Japnese and Germans are inferior to west?

Bloody idiotic racist.

 

[Agent Smith]

The Pakistanis like to enjoy the success stories of other people,1st the Americans & now the Chines since they cannot do jack Sh*t on their own

the chinese victory was a mistake, more resulting from the blunders of then Indian govt than of the bravery of chinese military, no need to mention poorly equipped Indian military. but chinese should come out of their hangover and face reality. we would love to settle the old scores with them.

 

[Echo_419]

the chinese victory was a mistake, more resulting from the blunders of then Indian govt than of the bravery of chinese military, no need to mention poorly equipped Indian military. but chinese should come out of their hangover and face reality. we would love to settle the old scores with them.

The whole thing was the responsibility of that idiot nehru

 

[rcrmj]

1962 war between china and India.
Indian military strength in war 10,000 vs chinese 80,000.
Indian casualty - 1400 killed, 1700 missing, 4000 POW, 1000 wounded. SURRENDERED - none.
Indians were outnumbered 1 : 8 and 8 out of 10 Indian soldiers were casualty.
Indian Army did not raise white flag nor surrendered before a superior enemy.
Indians have no shame in accepting the military defeat and all loss of territory in 1962. Victory and defeat is part of any game or war. What makes us proud is that our soldiers fought till their last breathe knowing that there is no back up, no supplies and enemy is well equipped, well prepared and more in numbers .... Hats off to them. Jai Hind.

this is whats called a brainwashed simpleton in delusion,

your western equipped incompetent indians got humiliated by few poorly geared border units, most of you lot were surrendered without a fight``besides the theatre was in much favor to the India army``

and the 1:8 is a clear evidence to demonstrate that you have zero clue of how battle is fought```you deluded Indian

 

[Jf Thunder]

yup very weak, SUPA DUPA POWA INDIA SHOULD JUST INVADE, and try a first hand experience, k?

 

[Razia Sultana]

this is whats called a brainwashed simpleton in delusion,

your western equipped incompetent indians got humiliated by few poorly geared border units, most of you lot were surrendered without a fight``besides the theatre was in much favor to the India army``

and the 1:8 is a clear evidence to demonstrate that you have zero clue of how battle is fought```you deluded Indian

Have I claimed that Indian army won the battle? Even I can use much better adjectives but I restrict myself to only facts.
For your ego bruised elsewhere I say that Indian Army could not save Aksai Chin fromfalling to enemies in 1962 and the battle was decisively won by PLA. But Indian Army fought till the end. They were killed, wounded, captured, lost territories but ensured their countrymen were proud of them.

 

[Shotgunner51]

I checked the original article:
China’s Incomplete Military Transformation - Assessing the Weaknesses of the People’s Liberation Army (PLA)
Michael S. Chase, Jeffrey Engstrom, Tai Ming Cheung, Kristen A. Gunness, Scott Warren Harold, Susan Puska, Samuel K. Berkowitz
http://origin.www.uscc.gov/sites/de...ncomplete Military Transformation_2.11.15.pdf

Does take some time to read, it's 201 pages! Its a nice read though, very useful and inspiring article.

When some media has been focusing on China's advancements and modernizing, it would be useful to see media paying attention to what it needs to work on. Articles, reports, & speeches in China from its leadership, government-affiliated think tanks, and military publications have all said the same thing, and this RAND report even mentions that fact.

It's a work in progress and it will take years to get everything up to speed. China roll out 2 or 3 models, see if it works, then 2 or 3 more models, and if see fit then production. No hurry, test and test, improve and improve. As long as China don't fall into the arms race trap it can maintain and modernize at it's own pace. Got to be patient, there isn't going to be any direct confrontation between China and the US anytime soon, despite what some China haters would want & some China ultra-nationalists are hankering for, cooler heads will prevail. It's going to a long game of chess moves, with most of the countries in buffer zone as the chess pieces but ones with their own individual agendas that can manipulate the US and China. We are going to be living in interesting times.

 

[Srinivas]

Chinese army fled from Arunachal and other areas once it realized that Indian counter attack is coming. Chinese call this running from battle field as "lesson taught to India".

Fact is they came when India is least expecting and ill prepared and ran when fierce counter attack is going to come.

In 1967 India showed Chinese what India is all about, this time too they ran away, check out chola incident.

In 1962 Indians fought bravely to the last bullet !

This is what bravery is all about, no good clothing for the freezing cold and snow, no bullets, no enough supplies yet they confronted chinese
One of the finest example of bravery in battles

Rezang La - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The memorial reads :

How can a Man die Better than facing Fearful Odds,
For the Ashes of His Fathers and the Temples of His Gods,
To the sacred memory of the Heroes of Rezang La,
114 Martyrs of 13 Kumaon who fought to the Last Man,
Last Round, Against Hordes of Chinese on 18 November 1962.
Built by All Ranks 13th Battalion, The Kumaon Regiment

 

[Razia Sultana]

Indian military got massacred by the PLA.
End of story.

This was a military confrontation to see who is the superior country, superior military and above all, who is the superior civilisation.
PLA victory over the Indian military proved China, Chinese people and Chinese civilisation is vastly superior to India, Indian people and Indian civilisation.

That humiliating and spirit-crushing defeat inflicted mental scars on the entire Indian population because India realised it is an inferior country and people to its historical neighbour China.

From 1962, China always looked down on India and Indians as defeated people. That's why China don't even care for India. China proved its superiority once in for all in 1962.

China has now moved on and become a truly independent country with an independent foreign policy, while India is still stuck in the past being a mere pawn to the West.

China views India as a defeated country ever since 1962.

Your write up reflects an inferiority complex.
Have you forgotten 1967 sikkim? Within 5 years India came out of the complex and passed it on to you. Can an inferior country continue to occupy a so called chinese territory? What excuse do you give to your people that Arunachal is still in Indian possession after your decisive victory in 1962? The last battle PLA fought was with Vietnam in 1979 where they sufferred defeat at the hands of vietnamese. After that a whole generation of soldiers have passed without any experience of a battle.
India has an independent foreign policy.Which other nation has excellent bilateral relations with US and Russia, Iran and Saudi Arabia, Israel and OIC and does 100 billion dollar buiness with a nation who claim each others' large territories as their own?

 

[dray]

1962 war between china and India.
Indian military strength in war 10,000 vs chinese 80,000.
Indian casualty - 1400 killed, 1700 missing, 4000 POW, 1000 wounded. SURRENDERED - none.
Indians were outnumbered 1 : 8 and 8 out of 10 Indian soldiers were casualty.
Indian Army did not raise white flag nor surrendered before a superior enemy.
Indians have no shame in accepting the military defeat and all loss of territory in 1962. Victory and defeat is part of any game or war. What makes us proud is that our soldiers fought till their last breathe knowing that there is no back up, no supplies and enemy is well equipped, well prepared and more in numbers .... Hats off to them. Jai Hind.

Right, in fact our forward posts were outnumbered by 25:1, and our army was fighting with WW2 era Enfield rifles against MMGs, but our army never surrendered, and Chinese had to withdraw to escape our counter attack.

that 4000 POW is actually know as surrendering with ammunition and all the fighting equipment with logistics and proper backing of special forces

They were captured after they ran out of ammo. We never used to maintain any significant forces on China border before 1962 war.

Just five years later in 1967 Indian army gave it back to PLA in Chola incident, Sikkim became an Indian state, and in 1971 we forced the biggest surrender after WW2 on Pakistani army, further proving the might of the Indian army.

According to India's own internal military report, the Henderson-Brooks report, India attacked us:

It wasn't China, but Nehru who declared 1962 war - The Times of India

India attacked us, while we were in the middle of the worst famine in our entire history (Great leap forward), and we were on the verge of collapse from starvation.

That was your best ever opportunity.

You think we were more prepared in 1962 when we were in the middle of a famine, and at the weakest point in our history, than we are today in 2015?

I hope you guys really believe that.

This is the 2357th time you have posted the same lie. The report was a fake report produced by a paid Aussie jurno, Indian govt. never published any such report. And even then the fake report blamed Nehru for trusting Chinese and not preparing for a war.

it was everything the Indian military had vs 10% of the PLA.
And the PLA still massacred the entire Indian military.

What BS. In fact in 1967 it was everything the Chinese army had vs 5% of the IA.
And the IA still massacred the entire Chinese military.

 

[Beast]

Right, in fact our forward posts were outnumbered by 25:1, and our army was fighting with WW2 era Enfield rifles against MMGs, but our army never surrendered, and Chinese had to withdraw to escape our counter attack.



They were captured after they ran out of ammo. We never used to maintain any significant forces on China border before 1962 war.

Just five years later in 1967 Indian army gave it back to PLA in Chola incident, Sikkim became an Indian state, and in 1971 we forced the biggest surrender after WW2 on Pakistani army, further proving the might of the Indian army.



This is the 2357th time you have posted the same lie. The report was a fake report produced by a paid Aussie jurno, Indian govt. never published any such report. And even then the fake report blamed Nehru for trusting Chinese and not preparing for a war.



What BS. In fact in 1967 it was everything the Chinese army had vs 5% of the IA.
And the IA still massacred the entire Chinese military.

I remember the indian soldiers were so happily surrendering to Chinese troops in 1962. Want me to show you the real footage?

It's so bad the Indians are still living in the Ah Q mentality. They even need to come out with delusion statistic like outnumber 25:1 to ease their humiliation.

 

[dray]

I remember the indian soldiers were so happily surrendering to Chinese troops in 1962. Want me to show you the real footage?

It's so bad the Indians are still living in the Ah Q mentality. They even need to come out with delusion statistic like outnumber 25:1 to ease their humiliation.

Nobody surrendered, they got captured after they ran out of ammo and 25 Chinese army pounced on each of them. It seems PLA is yet to get over the humilition and loss of Sikkim in 1967.

 

[rcrmj]

Have I claimed that Indian army won the battle? Even I can use much better adjectives but I restrict myself to only facts.
For your ego bruised elsewhere I say that Indian Army could not save Aksai Chin fromfalling to enemies in 1962 and the battle was decisively won by PLA. But Indian Army fought till the end. They were killed, wounded, captured, lost territories but ensured their countrymen were proud of them.

there were zero facts you stated, only bollywood propaganda and delusion``the cowardness and incompetence was the only impression your funny army displaced in 1962````there was no excuse for your utter defeat

 

[Beast]

there were zero facts you stated, only bollywood propaganda and delusion``the cowardness and incompetence was the only impression your funny army displaced in 1962````there was no excuse for your utter defeat

Precisely, the usual human wave and no tatics explanation. If that is the case, we shall have human wave over the British during the opium war?

Can't beat you fair and square so resort to retard explanation will make them looks nicer.

 

[Razia Sultana]

there were zero facts you stated, only bollywood propaganda and delusion``the cowardness and incompetence was the only impression your funny army displaced in 1962````there was no excuse for your utter defeat

Did I offer any excuse?
What excuse do chinese have that India continues to occupy Arunachal or South Tibet?
What excuse do Pakistanis have that India continues to hold Siachin?
Trolling has a limit.