Is Pakistan the only odd one remaining in the region when it comes to system of governance?

[313ghazi]

In nutshell:

On east: we got a Hindu extremist/terrorists regime controlling India firmly.

South west: A mullah regime of Iran, extreme right wing. Been there for decades.

North west: A western sponsored liberal/corrupt government just got toppled by Taliban, a extreme right wing outfit.

North: China, a country run by it own indigenous system of governance.


Pakistan, on the other hand is still run by liberal western inspired system, people both in civil and military taking inspiration from western ideas and ideologies. Still running western inspired liberal western democracy, where country masses by en large are inclined towards right wing.

Pakistani system it seems is not inline with realities of today's world, in particular with the region it is situated. Right wing politics is surrounding Pakistan, yet it is still beating the dead horse of liberal left wing, western inspired system of governance. Pakistan indeed is looking odd one in the region.

Models of governance only work if the focus of them is on governance and not as an opportunity to become Kings of a Castle. In our country it seems everyone elected to office considers themselves a King. We could put TLP in charge and it'd still be a sh1tshow of governance. We could put the Liberal whores of the west in charge and have the exact same outcome. The metrics on governance and quality of life would not improve. All these people are focused on ego and ego alone.

Have you seen the movie Moneyball? We need a data driven approach to governance, one that is results focused, not focused on ideologies and personalities.

 

[Taimoor Khan]

I presume, forces loyal to Pakistan will implement the right system in Afghanistan and then roll it over here.

All the kachra of politicians and this system is getting exposed and they have 2 years of time. Who knows by that time the afg system is matured upto such a level that ppl here implicitly demand the same.

Interesting observation. However, the status quo, deeply entrenched liberal lot in Pakistan are not stupid and they are already weary of Taliban take over next door. Hence you see the dithering of Pakistan in dealing with the new ground reality in Afghanistan. The biggest spanner in the works in what you are saying will come from within Pakistan from status quo forces, which happen to be liberal.

 

[Meengla]

Pakistan have its own system tbh. In this system democracy is as its face while the real control is behind the scenes. This is good to evade sanctions from west.
BTW you forgot the Russian inspired Bangladesh system where one party is ruling forever by fake democracy and elections. But it is delivering tremendous results for Bangladesh as a country which is soon to become south Korea of South Asia.

Correct on both counts: Pakistan being a quasi-democracy while BD also same kind except BD has enjoyed a much friendlier neighborhood than Pakistan. Otherwise, until 1979, despite even the mistakes of ZAB's 'socialism', Pakistan was ahead in the region.

And if you look to Pakistan's north and west, then Pakistan, with the possible exception of Turkey and Israel and maybe a few north-west African countries (on the Medit. Sea ) , has more stability and more freedom of speech / democracy than tens of those countries. Countries like Iran, and the 'Stans, as well as just about all Middle Eastern and most African countries lack Pakistan's relatively liberal environment, stability, and freedoms. In short, don't fix it if it ain't broken! Continue on this path, ensure peace in Afghanistan, educate the population, make CPEC a success--then only sky is the limit!

 

[Taimoor Khan]

Models of governance only work if the focus of them is on governance and not as an opportunity to become Kings of a Castle. In our country it seems everyone elected to office considers themselves a King. We could put TLP in charge and it'd still be a sh1tshow of governance. We could put the Liberal whores of the west in charge and have the exact same outcome. The metrics on governance and quality of life would not improve. All these people are focused on ego and ego alone.

Have you seen the movie Moneyball? We need a data driven approach to governance, one that is results focused, not focused on ideologies and personalities.

Thats why I mentioned that those within Pakistan with "darh gaz lambi zuban" talking about democracy, never actually studied what democracy is within western nations. its not free of all. its always comprise of "selected" individuals presented before to be "elected" by the citizens. Highly educated individuals with thorough careers behind them. British parliament is full of Eton and Russel uni graduates. You will never see a chav and gypsy in cabinet let alone become member of parliament. Nobody ask this question "are these people children of lesser gods and not citizens of this country, so why there is no chav/gypse minster and prime minster?" Now compare that to Pakistan and what goes in here in the name of democracy!

Democracy is never free for all, its always selection before election.

 

[VCheng]

Pakistan, on the other hand is still run by liberal western inspired system, people both in civil and military taking inspiration from western ideas and ideologies. Still running western inspired liberal western democracy, where country masses by en large are inclined towards right wing.

Pakistani system it seems is not inline with realities of today's world, in particular with the region it is situated. Right wing politics is surrounding Pakistan, yet it is still beating the dead horse of liberal left wing, western inspired system of governance. Pakistan indeed is looking odd one in the region.

The real question to ask here is whether changing Pakistan's system of governance will really change anything substantive in dealing with its issues. Rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic was not much help either.

 

[Falconless]

Japan is centrist

Japan is far right

 

[Taimoor Khan]

Rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic was not much help either

Wrong analogy. Pakistan isnt titanic neither it is sinking. It is however shackled by a long running system, controlled by liberal elite which it needs to break free from. Why not give country to right wingers, after all, we are surrounded by right wing nations. See how they fair. Current system is not delivering, lets give them a chance.

India and Pakistan have same system. Iran has presidential system like USA and Afghanistan is failed state

India, Iran and Afghanistan, all are right wing nations now. We are odd one out.

 

[VCheng]

Why not give country to right wingers, after all, we are surrounded by right wing nations.

"Give"? Who has the authority to "give" the country to the right wingers (or anyone else) except the people themselves? I have advocated many times that if the majority of the people want the right wingers to take control, then follow due process to give them what they want.

 

[bananarepublic]

Your rants aside, how do you feel being surrounded by right wing nations all around you when you are the only one left under the clutches of liberal lot. I, from outside, can see it clearly, not sure why Pakistanis within are oblivious to this. Liberal politics is dead, all around Pakistan. Wake up and smell the coffee.

Ahahahahaha
How can you even look from the outside when you don't even live here.
Let me tell you a secret, somethings don't get said on the internet especially on "defence.pk". The on ground situation is even worse than you can imagine.
"Pakistani" are struggling to feed themselves twice a day and don't have the time to think about bullshit politics happening right now. You expect the millions who are worried on how to feed their families about sasta politics?

 

[rishav]

I think pakistan is a far left country . I wouldn't be surprised if they decide to call themselves simply "Pakistan" instead of "Islamic republic of Pakistan" within a decade or so .

 

[Taimoor Khan]

"Give"? Who has the authority to "give" the country to the right wingers (or anyone else) except the people themselves? I have advocated many times that if the majority of the people want the right wingers to take control, then follow due process to give them what they want.

Please refer to my earlier comments. Democracy is always about "selection" before "election".

 

[VCheng]

Please refer to my earlier comments. Democracy is always about "selection" before "election".

I read that already. What you call "selection" is actually elections in local bodies and within political parties, a.k.a. due process.

 

[Taimoor Khan]

Ahahahahaha
How can you even look from the outside when you don't even live here.
Let me tell you a secret, somethings don't get said on the internet especially on "defence.pk". The on ground situation is even worse than you can imagine.
"Pakistani" are struggling to feed themselves twice a day and don't have the time to think about bullshit politics happening right now. You expect the millions who are worried on how to feed their families about sasta politics?

That bold part, rather dumb thing to say.

I may be wrong, but I haven't seen anyone taking note of changed realities around Pakistan neighbour.

 

[Falconless]

India and Pakistan have same system

Actually no, their government is more centralised our provinces are basically countries within a country.

 

[Taimoor Khan]

I read that already. What you call "selection" is actually elections in local bodies and within political parties, a.k.a. due process.

Then why I dont see redneck, gypses , chavs in the power corridors of western democracy. Why no priest, clergymen given tickets and be elected in the parliament? aka "due process" is what I refer to as "selection before election".