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IS PAKISTAN MISSING OUT ON A VITAL & RARE OPPORTUNITY IN AFGHANISTAN?

As you know, since the Taliban has come to power there has been a lot of international debate about their morality and treatment of women and ethnic minorities which the media has been focusing on.

Within Afghanistan itself, as present by the talks of the diaspora, there is a lot of ethnic strife and their unity is eroded.

Many Tajiks and Hazaras are campaigning for their rights, with many protests and viral hashtags - and many have given up on the idea of Afghanistan as a viable country!

Pakistan should leverage this political instability and the weight of western media propaganda to it's advantage by a covert online propaganda campaign to break the morale of the Afghan people and their belief in their nation as a whole.

Using talking points of Afghanistan:

-Being a failed nation that has only known war, destruction and civil war

-Ethnic violence and tension

-Human rights abuses and genocide against ethnic minorities

-No hope left for it's redemption or salvation!

-The Taliban should be highlighted as an ethnic Pashtun hegemony in Afghanistan seeking to subdue all other ethnic groups + women in general.


Many propaganda videos can be made and shared of this violence, you can hire Tajiks to make speech videos of these demands and talking about the abuses of their ethnicity and the above talking points. They could otherwise propagate the idea of independence if the below demands are not met.

The goal here for Pakistan is to get rid of Afghanistan's strategic leverage over Pakistan using the ethnic basis of Pashtuns!

The balkanisation of Afghanistan may not be in our interest but we should try to force the Afghans into accepting at least two demands:

- Re-naming Afghanistan to Khorosan to fairly represent all groups rather than a single ethnicity.

-Push for federalism where Tajik and Hazara lands have more autonomy themselves. Similar to Pakistan's provincial structure.

This will weaken the narrative Afghanistan has used in the past and may use in the future to pressure Pakistan as they have done with claiming KPK/Balochistan using the "Afghan" card.

1. Due to federalism in Afg, we will have the power to retaliate if they choose to interfere in our internal affairs the same way they do in ours.

2. By using the name 'Khorosan' - they can no longer use the ethnic argument of 'every Pashtun is Afghan so that land belongs to Afghanistan' - they will simply both be multi-ethnic states.


With greater federalism and Tajik/Hazara representation we can more easily pressure them to not engage in anti-Pakistan activity.

As other ethnicities won't have the appetite to continuously engage Pakistan in conflict like last time

Even if this goal is not achieved, the political instability will increase and their morale will be broken - which is still a win for us as this can be used as a bargaining chip against the Taliban covertly - clamp down on the TTP or we will use other ways to retaliate and make life difficult for you! A two-way street.

@PanzerKiel @Signalian @blain2 @R Wing @villageidiot @Menace2Society
 
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IS PAKISTAN MISSING OUT ON A VITAL & RARE OPPORTUNITY IN AFGHANISTAN?

As you know, since the Taliban has come to power there has been a lot of international debate about their morality and treatment of women and ethnic minorities which the media has been focusing on.

Within Afghanistan itself, as present by the talks of the diaspora, there is a lot of ethnic strife and their unity is eroded.

Many Tajiks and Hazaras are campaigning for their rights, with many protests and viral hashtags - and many have given up on the idea of Afghanistan as a viable country!

Pakistan should leverage this political instability and the weight of western media propaganda to it's advantage by a covert online propaganda campaign to break the morale of the Afghan people and their belief in their nation as a whole.

Using talking points of Afghanistan:

-Being a failed nation that has only known war, destruction and civil war

-Ethnic violence and tension

-Human rights abuses and genocide against ethnic minorities

-No hope left for it's redemption or salvation!

-The Taliban should be highlighted as an ethnic Pashtun hegemony in Afghanistan seeking to subdue all other ethnic groups + women in general.


Many propaganda videos can be made and shared of this violence, you can hire Tajiks to make speech videos of these demands and talking about the abuses of their ethnicity and the above talking points. They could otherwise propagate the idea of independence if the below demands are not met.

The goal here for Pakistan is to get rid of Afghanistan's strategic leverage over Pakistan using the ethnic basis of Pashtuns!

The balkanisation of Afghanistan may not be in our interest but we should try to force the Afghans into accepting at least two demands:

- Re-naming Afghanistan to Khorosan to fairly represent all groups rather than a single ethnicity.

-Push for federalism where Tajik and Hazara lands have more autonomy themselves. Similar to Pakistan's provincial structure.

This will weaken the narrative Afghanistan has used in the past and may use in the future to pressure Pakistan as they have done with claiming KPK/Balochistan using the "Afghan" card.

1. Due to federalism in Afg, we will have the power to retaliate if they choose to interfere in our internal affairs the same way they do in ours.

2. By using the name 'Khorosan' - they can no longer use the ethnic argument of 'every Pashtun is Afghan so that land belongs to Afghanistan' - they will simply both be multi-ethnic states.


With greater federalism and Tajik/Hazara representation we can more easily pressure them to not engage in anti-Pakistan activity.

As other ethnicities won't have the appetite to continuously engage Pakistan in conflict like last time

Even if this goal is not achieved, the political instability will increase and their morale will be broken - which is still a win for us as this can be used as a bargaining chip against the Taliban covertly - clamp down on the TTP or we will use other ways to retaliate and make life difficult for you! A two-way street.

@PanzerKiel @Signalian @blain2 @R Wing @villageidiot @Menace2Society
What if they get a hold of the propaganda and turn it around. Those Afghans can be crafty, you know. For example, I took 30 seconds to create this:
Using talking points of Pakistan:

-Being a failed nation that has only known war, destruction and civil war

-Ethnic violence and tension

-Human rights abuses and genocide against ethnic minorities

-No hope left for it's redemption or salvation!

-The military should be highlighted as an ethnic Punjabi hegemony in Pakistan seeking to subdue all other ethnic groups + women in general.

 
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What if they get a hold of the propaganda and turn it around. Those Afghans can be crafty, you know. For example, I took 30 seconds to create this:
Using talking points of Pakistan:

-Being a failed nation that has only known war, destruction and civil war

-Ethnic violence and tension

-Human rights abuses and genocide against ethnic minorities

-No hope left for it's redemption or salvation!

-The military should be highlighted as an ethnic Punjabi hegemony in Pakistan seeking to subdue all other ethnic groups + women in general.
Makes no difference because:

This is already being propagated by them since decades on a national and individual scale, of course I thought of this beforehand.

EVERY Afghan parrots what you've written already to every Pashtun they meet 🤣

Their refugees literally hold rallies explicitly saying these points and talking about the genocide and rape of Panjabis.
 
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I want a complete cultural separation between Pakistan and Afghanistan. Change the textbooks taught in school.
 
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I doubt Pakistan would do that after decades of harboring, training and helping haqqani network and other groups. Tajik, uzbeks and hazaras also hate Pakistan.
 
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I doubt Pakistan would do that after decades of harboring, training and helping haqqani network and other groups. Tajik, uzbeks and hazaras also hate Pakistan.
Tajiks and the lot can easily put their hatred aside, most of it is just state brainwashing that doesn't even apply to them.

Many of them actually openly say that Pakistan is not an enemy but it was Afghan leaders who made it one.

Changing Afghanistan's name to Khorosan and creating federalism will create peace in this region for good. It will create an environment for development and less conflict. Everyone can be happy.

Also what I'm suggesting doesn't really matter if the whole of Afghanistan hates us or not - it's a covert campaign focused only between them.
 
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To achieve those two demands cannot simply be done by an online campaign... although i definitely see the benefit in what you're trying to achieve with the name change and federalism provinces. it would help us a lot yes.

The Taliban will simply hunt down and murder anyone who tried to disrupt their status-quo which they as see as supreme.y benefical (The name as Afghanistan and no federalism)

If Pakistan wants to seriously pursue these goals which I do see benefit in, it would help a lot actually - it would have to do a bit more.

First it should covertly get information from people on the ground across the country to know the actual sentiments of majority people of the tajik and hazara ethnicities, if they actually would be susceptible and agree to the narrative you're propagating. (which does have some truth) then move to propagate the ideas if theres a decent basis to exploit

Secondly the Taliban as I said earlier will almost certainly not budge on the demands and just kill anyone asking for such, so you would probably need to initiate an insurgency in those areas that you would want declare as provinical territory.

It can be done but will require more effort than just online campaign.

What if they get a hold of the propaganda and turn it around. Those Afghans can be crafty, you know. For example, I took 30 seconds to create this:
Using talking points of Pakistan:

-Being a failed nation that has only known war, destruction and civil war

-Ethnic violence and tension

-Human rights abuses and genocide against ethnic minorities

-No hope left for it's redemption or salvation!

-The military should be highlighted as an ethnic Punjabi hegemony in Pakistan seeking to subdue all other ethnic groups + women in general.
You been sleeping all these decades?

Afghans and their governments have been saying this forever, just come to pakistan and their refugees will walk around saying it to pashtuns on the streets and stuff.

go online and listen to interviews of afghan military men or refugees in pakistan. they already do it.
 
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This man is an obsessed Indian whom the mods have allowed to wear the Pakistani flag..

All he does is defend India or try to offset Pakistan to different paths that it is unwilling to go..

He is not that bright either.. Also the amount of vitriol venom he comes with against Afghans is not based on the Pakistani world view reality.. To much excessive and overexaggerated which doesn't reflect Pakistan..

He is intimtidated by a Pakistan with stragetic depth and getting access to these warrior like nation as an ally against his sissy rss..

This troll has reached the realization that a Pakistan with a stragetic depth is an unbeatable entity and overmatch for his beloved India.. Hence why we keep hearing all this afghans this or that nonsense from him they make him doubt his confidence
 
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This man is an obsessed Indian whom the mods have allowed to wear the Pakistani flag..

All he does is defend India or try to offset Pakistan to different paths that it is unwilling to go..

He is not that bright either.. Also the amount of vitriol venom he comes with against Afghans is not based on the Pakistani world view reality.. To much excessive and overexaggerated which doesn't reflect Pakistan..

He is intimtidated by a Pakistan with stragetic depth and getting access to these warrior like nation as an ally against his sissy rss..

This troll has reached the realization that a Pakistan with a stragetic depth is an unbeatable entity and overmatch for his beloved India.. Hence why we keep hearing all this afghans this or that nonsense from him they make him doubt his confidence
Taliban supporter mad

Pakistan's immediate threats are not conventional and neither are you going to war with India.

The entire military doctrine is based around India just in case but it's not happening either way.
 
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Tajiks and the lot can easily put their hatred aside, most of it is just state brainwashing that doesn't even apply to them.

Many of them actually openly say that Pakistan is not an enemy but it was Afghan leaders who made it one.

Changing Afghanistan's name to Khorosan and creating federalism will create peace in this region for good. It will create an environment for development and less conflict. Everyone can be happy.

Also what I'm suggesting doesn't really matter if the whole of Afghanistan hates us or not - it's a covert campaign focused only between them.

Actually Pakistan establishment have invested heavily in groups like haqqani instead of creating ppl to ppl contacts and relations with different communities. India have been successful in this, we just did what was asked by US and created proxies and militant groups and motivated them by using religion and made medrassas in Pakistan as their base.
Our policy have been flawed since the beginning and now i think changing it would take time but most importantly the establishment need to chanve the way they think and that is not changing anytime soon. They r still western puppets and will do as asked.
 
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Who is going to finance this online and offline campaign. Pakistan cannot pay for its own expenses and IMF is asking to take out military pension out of civilian budget.
 
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IS PAKISTAN MISSING OUT ON A VITAL & RARE OPPORTUNITY IN AFGHANISTAN?
Pakistan’s Afghanistan policy is in the hands of the Army which has repeatedly shown a tremendous lack of strategic acumen and long term planning that does not involve protecting its own immediate economic interests and influence domestically.

Just look at the Army’s latest debacle of conspiring to overthrow the most popular political party in Pakistan, and the resulting repercussions that Pakistani Army Generals are still ignoring like ostriches with their heads stuffed in a hole full of shite.
 
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afghansitan can go to hell

we have our economy sinking and you guys worry of this hell hole country
Sir, hum to kanbal ko chorte hn lekin kambal (afghanistan) hmen nhi chorta.

Wo story suni hui he na?

For those unfamiliar with this story:

Two friends were strolling by a river at night. It was dark and one of them saw floating in the water. He told his friend. He thinking it's a kambal/blanket, gets greedy and kumps into the water to go get it. Turns out, it's not a kambal, but a crocodile who promptly grabs the dude and he start struggling to get out.

The other friend, not being able to see clearly in the dark, wonders what's taking so long, asks his friend to leave the kambal and come back out of the water. The friend grappling with the croc replies "I am trying to leave the blanket but the blanket isn't letting me leave"

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This strategic depth blanket is now going to take us into the depth and devour us. We can't just up and leave it even if we want to.
 
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Who is going to finance this online and offline campaign. Pakistan cannot pay for its own expenses and IMF is asking to take out military pension out of civilian budget.
ایسے کاموں کے لیے پتا نہیں انکے پاس پیسے کہاں سے آ جاتے ہیں سر جی ۔ 1995 میں فارن ریزرو 500 ملن ڈالر تھے انہوں نے ڈیڑھ ارب ڈالر کی 3 سب میرین خرید لیں فرانس سے
 
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