Is Pakistan a soft state?

[El Sidd]

To be frank Maulana isn't doing march for Pakistan either.He is corrupt to core.

He is.

That is why it is a mirror image of every other 'mob' that has camped in Islamabad.

The constitution allows for peaceful protests as it is more progressive than power hungry governments

 

[Lincoln]

Unfortunately we didn't . Had we done that , I am pretty sure Bangladesh would have been East Pakistan right now. Mujib would have been eliminated after Agartala incident 1962.

People are the power, not the leaders. History speaks that.

 

[pakpride00090]

You have seen his interview and are just adopting his voice thinking it makes you look like a smartass or something.

He believes that morality and ethics should take a backseat. So, you are ready to kill, murder, ruin lives, do whatever you can because you perceive it would've been good for National interest.

Now if you're still a Muslim, ask yourself what the Prophet phuh would've thought of this opinion of yours, if you're not a Muslim then you don't need to imagine this scenario.

You should rot in a jail cell, and so should Asad Durrani and everyone of the elite in Pakistan who knew what he and ISI were upto but intentionally supported him.

Yes I am a big fan of Asad Durrani and Hamid Gul types. I have read their books , articles and saw their interviews.

The basic premise of being nice to others is that others will be nice to you. Neither of your neighbours are nice to you. Your Arab and persian brothers have shown you their asses. Chinese are not going to fight your wars.

If Pakistanis still believe in morality and doing ethical thing then Good luck. In such a hostile neighborhood , one needs to adopt Machiavellian approach or else you are finished and this where we are headed.

People are the power, not the leaders. History speaks that.

And people can be manipulated and their opinions can be formed. History only sides with the winner( no matter how unethically and immorally it was achieved), not with loser. Had we won, I am pretty sure we would have written the history.

 

[Indus Pakistan]

Excuse my backwardness regarding subject in hand,i can't see a major political sit in,in entire history of Pakistan before 2014,which attacked state institutes.

So what forced Ayub to leave office? Flowers and scent? What was the backdrop to the coup by Gen. Zia in 1978?

Did Pakistan become nuclear power in 2018 after Moses parted the seas in GE2018?

The sitting PM blames State of Pakistan for Genocide in East Pakistan.

The village idiot is out again !

 

[Lincoln]

Yes I am a big fan of Asad Durrani and Hamid Gul types. I have read their books , articles and saw their interviews.

The basic premise of being nice to others is that others will be nice to you. Neither of your neighbours are nice to you. Your Arab and persian brothers have shown you their asses. Chinese are not going to fight your wars.

If Pakistanis still believe in morality and doing ethical thing then Good luck. In such a hostile neighborhood , one needs to adopt Machiavellian approach or else you are finished and this where we are headed.



And people can be manipulated and their opinions can be formed. History only sides with the winner( no matter how unethically and immorally it was achieved), not with loser. Had we won, I am pretty sure we would have written the history.

You base a lot around ethics and morality being irrelevant.

So, I will ask again. How condemnable is what you're suggesting in Islam? Or are you simply not a Muslim.

 

[Chhatrapati]

You think mobs could do threaten Modi in New Delhi

Having a mandate to rule alone pretty much insulates Modi from any large scale protests.
Imran is not ruling alone, he is in a big coalition. Coalition creates trouble for democracies, they will fight to grab more power, every other decision making should go through these minions. This will make the government look weak, any wrong decision made will anger the public and blame the governments inaction, other small groups will emerge from ashes promising lala land, get some seats in election and creates more trouble. Expanding PTI's reach is the only way to counter it.

 

[Sine Nomine]

So what forced Ayub to leave office? Flowers and scent? What was the backdrop to the coup by Gen. Zia in 1978?

Only Protest and rallies,no siegeing of capital.

 

[Indus Pakistan]

Having a mandate to rule alone pretty much insulates Modi from any large scale protests.
Imran is not ruling alone, he is in a big coalition. Coalition creates trouble for democracies, they will fight to grab more power, every other decision making should go through these minions. This will make the government look weak, any wrong decision made will anger the public and blame the governments inaction, other small groups will emerge from ashes promising lala land, get some seats in election and creates more trouble. Expanding PTI's reach is the only way to counter it.

True. But what your saying is specific to this government [PTI] whereas this thread is more about the broader question of Pakistan being a soft state. Yes, you are correct that Modi enjoys huge mandate but not all governments in the past in India enjoyed such mandates. Indeed often they were weak coalitions but did you guys get hordes marching on New Delhi? Or use of street power to bring elected governments instead of waiting for their terms to end and beating them at the next polls?

This is about something deeper then the present and this government but goes to the core of the Pakistani polity. It's fcukin fragile despite having nukes pushing through our nostrils.

 

[Sine Nomine]

He is.

That is why it is a mirror image of every other 'mob' that has camped in Islamabad.

The constitution allows for peaceful protests as it is more progressive than power hungry governments

He is doing this for himself like PTI did.

 

[El Sidd]

He is doing this for himself like PTI did.

He was given a successful method by PTI and his neighbour Imran Khan

 

[Indus Pakistan]

Only Protest and rallies,no siegeing of capital.

True. But your splitting hairs here.

1. is this about sieging the capital for some game show or sport
2. or about removing a government by street power

If it is No.2 then you will agree it falls into decades old history of flexing street power in pursuit of removing governments. This is about motives, not about tactics. Mullsh Diesels intent is to remove a sitting government from office with street power. That he does it in Islamabad or Karachi or Lahore is besides the point.

 

[pakpride00090]

You base a lot around ethics and morality being irrelevant.

So, I will ask again. How condemnable is what you're suggesting in Islam? Or are you simply not a Muslim.

Yes I am muslim but you gotta do what you gotta do.

 

[Sine Nomine]

Unfortunately we didn't . Had we done that , I am pretty sure Bangladesh would have been East Pakistan right now. Mujib would have been eliminated after Agartala incident 1962.

Agartala Conspiracy Case surfaced in 1967 and death of one of conspirators led to a public uprising in 1969,which made Govt to bury this case and let all of them walk away free.
This case was used by AL for mass publicity and this case later led to events of 1971.

True. But your splitting hairs here.

1. is this about sieging the capital for some game show or sport
2. or about removing a government by street power

If it is No.2 then you will agree it falls into decades old history of flexing street power in pursuit of removing governments. This is about motives, not about tactics. Mullsh Diesels intent is to remove a sitting government from office with street power. That he does it in Islamabad or Karachi or Lahore is besides the point.

If PTI did that and you didn't raised a question than let Mullah do that also.
(Mullah is as jerk as PTI,PMLN,PPP,ANP and MQM are,two sides of same coin)

He was given a successful method by PTI and his neighbour Imran Khan

They are curse on Pakistan.

 

[El Sidd]

They are curse on Pakistan.

they are the elitist club of Pakistan masquerading on hopes of the poor and middle class.

they deserve this

 

[Yankee-stani]

Not a soft state or banana republic but a country with nuclear weapons a top 20 Armed Forces with decent intelligence gathering that sadly behaves in a weak position that's all I can say if anyone with balls would send in tanks to crush them like our "Iron Bros" up north or our 2nd Iron bro by mass arrests of officials and pretend coup attempt to centralize power