Is He An Extremist?

[MOHSENAM]

Offtopic but increase your iman:

Number of verses from the first verse of Surat al-Qamar to the end of the Qur’an = 1390
Date of the lunar landings (Islamic calendar) = 1390


Number of times the word "Moon" appears in the Qur’an = 27
Time it takes the Moon to travel round the Earth (in days) = 27


Number of times the word “land” appears in the Qur’an = 13
Number of times the word “sea” appears in the Qur’an = 32
Proportion of dry land to sea covering the Earth = 13/45 = 29%
Proportion of sea to dry land on Earth = 32/45 = 71%


The words “man” and “woman” both appear 23 times in the Qur’an.
The 23rd chromosome is the main element that determines an individual’s gender.


Verse 19:57 of the Qur’an speaks of “raising to a high place.”
"Sputnik 1," the first unmanned satellite, was launched in 1957.


Surat an-Nahl, meaning “Bee,” is the 16th Surah.
The bee has 16 chromosomes.


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الله اکبر

 

[he-man]

Who is "we", and I am part of what exactly? Care to elaborate?

We = muslims specifically.

I make no bones about it and no one should.
This is the most important form of terrorism globally(well apart from USA of course) and people are just not willing to confront it.

If u think there is no problem then,well the debate is over

 

[utraash]

on Western Accounts , yes he is Extremist ...
on Some Secular peoples , yes he is Extremist ...
and last but not the least ...
in the eye's of Allah , he is an Extremely Successful men ...

by the way who is " he " ? ?
i am sure he is not @Kaan

After having all above what if he does not poses simple humanely traits .... Will he remain successful in,Allah's eye....?

 

[Mosamania]

We = muslims specifically.

I make no bones about it and no one should.
This is the most important form of terrorism globally(well apart from USA of course) and people are just not willing to confront it.

If u think there is no problem then,well the debate is over

And you assume I am a Muslim why? Is it because as I said before the nature of my flag?

 

[he-man]

If the things mentioned in the list go to someones head, and make him/her believe that he/she is the man-of-God and others are inferior, then for sure he is an extremist.

And I tell you what, a majority of practicing Muslims does indeed think like that. I have seen this tamasha particularly among those who live in abroad, and do manage to follow all good deeds, yet consider others (that very much include fellow Muslims) inferior humans. I remember a friend of mine in States, whom I used to know from my days in Aga Khan University (where I used to teach). He invited us for a lunch, which we gladly accepted. He picked us up from our place, and chatted with both me and my wife (who does not cover her head), during 30 min drive. Upon reaching his home, we learned that his wife wont come in front of me. My wife took lunch with his in the kitchen whereas we had it in the living room. We later invited them several times but he refused to accept our invitation suspecting that we were not cooking halal (zabeeha) in our kitchen.

I am talking exactly about these kind of people.
They can make a switch to violence way more easily than other non practicing fellows

And you assume I am a Muslim why? Is it because as I said before the nature of my flag?

Yes based on ur flag i think u are a muslim,,,
Also ur comments make it fairly obvious

 

[KalaGhoda]

To the contrary, an idea is a lot more malicious than an action ever was, the propagation of said idea from one person to another is the very basis of how extremism spreads, wither it is a shiekh in a Madrasa that says all Muslim must do Jihad and those who don't will go to hell, to the one saying all Muslims are terrorist and in effect they all should die. They are all the same exact thing.

Which is why fighting a person's action will always lead negative results in the fight against extremism, where the main enemy is in fact the though or idea which needs to be squashed.

So now, YOU are saying that LOGICALLY, every muslim is a terrorist ? since the action and the thought are the exact same thing ?

that was easy....i wonder you know what you are implying !

 

[Mosamania]

I am talking exactly about these kind of people.
They can make a switch to violence way more easily than other non practicing fellows



Yes based on ur flag i think u are a muslim,,,
Also ur comments make it fairly obvious

Care to elaborate further please in what parts of my comments gave you that impression? I am interested to know, as I said I may have used a language too high for the sitting and the person spoken to, maybe I can clarify it for you.

 

[utraash]

Common Concept of God in Hinduism:
Hinduism is commonly perceived as a polytheistic religion. Indeed, most Hindus would attest to this, by professing belief in multiple Gods. While some Hindus believe in the existence of three gods, some believe in thousands of gods, and some others in thirty three crore i.e. 330 million Gods. However, learned Hindus, who are well versed in their scriptures, insist that a Hindu should believe in and worship only one God.

The major difference between the Hindu and the Muslim perception of God is the common Hindus’ belief in the philosophy of Pantheism. Pantheism considers everything, living and non-living, to be Divine and Sacred. The common Hindu, therefore, considers everything as God. He considers the trees as God, the sun as God, the moon as God, the monkey as God, the snake as God and even human beings as manifestations of God!

Islam, on the contrary, exhorts man to consider himself and his surroundings as examples of Divine Creation rather than as divinity itself. Muslims therefore believe that everything is God’s i.e. the word ‘God’ with an apostrophe ‘s’. In other words the Muslims believe that everything belongs to God.

The trees belong to God, the sun belongs to God, the moon belongs to God, the monkey belongs to God, the snake belongs to God, the human beings belong to God and everything in this universe belongs to God.

Thus the major difference between the Hindu and the Muslim beliefs is the difference of the apostrophe ‘s’. The Hindu says everything is God. The Muslim says everything is God’s.

2. Concept of God according to Hindu Scriptures:

We can gain a better understanding of the concept of God in Hinduism by analysing Hindu scriptures.

BHAGAVAD GITA:

The most popular amongst all the Hindu scriptures is the Bhagavad Gita.

Consider the following verse from the Gita:

"Those whose intelligence has been stolen by material desires surrender unto demigods and follow the particular rules and regulations of worship according to their own natures."
[Bhagavad Gita 7:20]

The Gita states that people who are materialistic worship demigods i.e. ‘gods’ besides the True God.
UPANISHADS:

The Upanishads are considered sacred scriptures by the Hindus.

The following verses from the Upanishads refer to the Concept of God:

1. "Ekam evadvitiyam"
"He is One only without a second."
[Chandogya Upanishad 6:2:1]

2. "Na casya kascij janita na cadhipah."
"Of Him there are neither parents nor lord."
[Svetasvatara Upanishad 6:9]

3. "Na tasya pratima asti"
"There is no likeness of Him."
[Svetasvatara Upanishad 4:19]

4. The following verses from the Upanishad allude to the inability of man to imagine God in a particular form:

"Na samdrse tisthati rupam asya, na caksusa pasyati kas canainam."

"His form is not to be seen; no one sees Him with the eye."
[Svetasvatara Upanishad 4:20]

THE VEDAS
Vedas are considered the most sacred of all the Hindu scriptures. There are four principal Vedas: Rigveda, Yajurveda, Samveda and Atharvaveda.

1. Yajurveda
The following verses from the Yajurveda echo a similar concept of God:

1. "na tasya pratima asti"
"There is no image of Him."
[Yajurveda 32:3]

2. "shudhama poapvidham"
"He is bodyless and pure."
[Yajurveda 40:8]

3. "Andhatama pravishanti ye asambhuti mupaste"
"They enter darkness, those who worship the natural elements" (Air, Water, Fire, etc.). "They sink
deeper in darkness, those who worship sambhuti."
[Yajurveda 40:9]

4. Sambhuti means created things, for example table, chair, idol, etc.

The Yajurveda contains the following prayer:
"Lead us to the good path and remove the sin that makes us stray and wander."
[Yajurveda 40:16]

2. Atharvaveda

The Atharvaveda praises God in Book 20, hymn 58 and verse 3:
1. "Dev maha osi"
"God is verily great"
[Atharvaveda 20:58:3]

3. Rigveda
1. The oldest of all the vedas is Rigveda. It is also the one considered most sacred by the Hindus.
The Rigveda states in Book 1, hymn 164 and verse 46: "Sages (learned Priests) call one God by many
names."
[Rigveda 1:164:46]

2. The Rigveda gives several different attributes to Almighty God. Many of these are mentioned in
Rigveda Book 2 hymn 1.

Among the various attributes of God, one of the beautiful attributes mentioned in the Rigveda Book II hymn 1 verse 3, is Brahma. Brahma means ‘The Creator’. Translated into Arabic it means Khaaliq. Muslims can have no objection if Almighty God is referred to as Khaaliq or ‘Creator’ or Brahma. However if it is said that Brahma is Almighty God who has four heads with each head having a crown, Muslims take strong exception to it.

Describing Almighty God in anthropomorphic terms also goes against the following verse of Yajurveda:

"Na tasya Pratima asti"
"There is no image of Him."
[Yajurveda 32:3]

Another beautiful attribute of God mentioned in the Rigveda Book II hymn 1 verse 3 is Vishnu. Vishnu means ‘The Sustainer’. Translated into Arabic it means Rabb. Again, Muslims can have no objection if Almighty God is referred to as Rabb or 'Sustainer' or Vishnu. But the popular image of Vishnu among Hindus, is that of a God who has four arms, with one of the right arms holding the Chakra, i.e. a discus and one of the left arms holding a ‘conch shell’, or riding a bird or reclining on a snake couch. Muslims can never accept any image of God. As mentioned earlier this also goes against Svetasvatara Upanishad Chapter 4 verse 19.

"Na tasya pratima asti"
"There is no likeness of Him"

The following verse from the Rigveda Book 8, hymn 1, verse 1 refer to the Unity and Glory of the Supreme Being:

3. "Ma cid anyad vi sansata sakhayo ma rishanyata"
"O friends, do not worship anybody but Him, the Divine One. Praise Him alone."
[Rigveda 8:1:1]

4. "Devasya samituk parishtutih"
"Verily, great is the glory of the Divine Creator."
[Rigveda 5:1:81]

Brahma Sutra of Hinduism:

The Brahma Sutra of Hinduism is:

"Ekam Brahm, dvitiya naste neh na naste kinchan"

"There is only one God, not the second; not at all, not at all, not in the least bit."

Dada i think you stole it from zakir naik...

 

[Mosamania]

So now, YOU are saying that LOGICALLY, every muslim is a terrorist ? since the action and the thought are the exact same thing ?

that was easy....i wonder you know what you are implying !

How did I say that? when in fact it seems that you are the one equating Islam with terrorism so heavily.

 

[rockstar08]

After having all above what if he does not poses simple humanely traits .... Will he remain successful in,Allah's eye....?

if he do above all , that means he is a nice muslim .. and in order to be a nice muslim you have to be a nice human being ....

 

[syedali73]

Offtopic but increase your iman:

Number of verses from the first verse of Surat al-Qamar to the end of the Qur’an = 1390
Date of the lunar landings (Islamic calendar) = 1390


Number of times the word "Moon" appears in the Qur’an = 27
Time it takes the Moon to travel round the Earth (in days) = 27


Number of times the word “land” appears in the Qur’an = 13
Number of times the word “sea” appears in the Qur’an = 32
Proportion of dry land to sea covering the Earth = 13/45 = 29%
Proportion of sea to dry land on Earth = 32/45 = 71%


The words “man” and “woman” both appear 23 times in the Qur’an.
The 23rd chromosome is the main element that determines an individual’s gender.


Verse 19:57 of the Qur’an speaks of “raising to a high place.”
"Sputnik 1," the first unmanned satellite, was launched in 1957.


Surat an-Nahl, meaning “Bee,” is the 16th Surah.
The bee has 16 chromosomes.


Miracles of the Qur'an - Modern Science Reveals New Miracles of the Qur'an


الله اکبر

Actually it is not a good practice to present coincidences as miracles. Those who believe in Quran would continue to do so without such 'association' and those who don't accept Islam or Quran cant be convinced with these for they are no facts but coincidences at best.

 

[KingMamba]

If the things mentioned in the list go to someones head, and make him/her believe that he/she is the man-of-God and others are inferior, then for sure he is an extremist.

And I tell you what, a majority of practicing Muslims does indeed think like that. I have seen this tamasha particularly among those who live in abroad, and do manage to follow all good deeds, yet consider others (that very much include fellow Muslims) inferior humans. I remember a friend of mine in States, whom I used to know from my days in Aga Khan University (where I used to teach). He invited us for a lunch, which we gladly accepted. He picked us up from our place, and chatted with both me and my wife (who does not cover her head), during 30 min drive. Upon reaching his home, we learned that his wife wont come in front of me. My wife took lunch with his in the kitchen whereas we had it in the living room. We later invited them several times but he refused to accept our invitation suspecting that we were not cooking halal (zabeeha) in our kitchen.

Well were you?

 

[Mosamania]

Offtopic but increase your iman:

Number of verses from the first verse of Surat al-Qamar to the end of the Qur’an = 1390
Date of the lunar landings (Islamic calendar) = 1390


Number of times the word "Moon" appears in the Qur’an = 27
Time it takes the Moon to travel round the Earth (in days) = 27


Number of times the word “land” appears in the Qur’an = 13
Number of times the word “sea” appears in the Qur’an = 32
Proportion of dry land to sea covering the Earth = 13/45 = 29%
Proportion of sea to dry land on Earth = 32/45 = 71%


The words “man” and “woman” both appear 23 times in the Qur’an.
The 23rd chromosome is the main element that determines an individual’s gender.


Verse 19:57 of the Qur’an speaks of “raising to a high place.”
"Sputnik 1," the first unmanned satellite, was launched in 1957.


Surat an-Nahl, meaning “Bee,” is the 16th Surah.
The bee has 16 chromosomes.


Miracles of the Qur'an - Modern Science Reveals New Miracles of the Qur'an


الله اکبر

See this is the kind of stuff that I hate whole heartedly. To even bring science to religion is the dumbest thing you can do.

 

[KingMamba]

Offtopic but increase your iman:

Number of verses from the first verse of Surat al-Qamar to the end of the Qur’an = 1390
Date of the lunar landings (Islamic calendar) = 1390


Number of times the word "Moon" appears in the Qur’an = 27
Time it takes the Moon to travel round the Earth (in days) = 27


Number of times the word “land” appears in the Qur’an = 13
Number of times the word “sea” appears in the Qur’an = 32
Proportion of dry land to sea covering the Earth = 13/45 = 29%
Proportion of sea to dry land on Earth = 32/45 = 71%


The words “man” and “woman” both appear 23 times in the Qur’an.
The 23rd chromosome is the main element that determines an individual’s gender.


Verse 19:57 of the Qur’an speaks of “raising to a high place.”
"Sputnik 1," the first unmanned satellite, was launched in 1957.


Surat an-Nahl, meaning “Bee,” is the 16th Surah.
The bee has 16 chromosomes.


Miracles of the Qur'an - Modern Science Reveals New Miracles of the Qur'an


الله اکبر

Never seen Sunnis bring up these number thingys, I believe it is just a bunch of coincidences.

 

[MOHSENAM]

Actually it is not a good practice to present coincidences as miracles. Those who believe in Quran would continue to do so without such 'association' and those who don't accept Islam or Quran cant be convinced with these for they are no facts but coincidences at best.

Actually u know nothing and even do not think.

Number of times the word “land” appears in the Qur’an = 13
Number of times the word “sea” appears in the Qur’an = 32
Proportion of dry land to sea covering the Earth = 13/45 = 29%
Proportion of sea to dry land on Earth = 32/45 = 71%

Not possible that those facts that I posted be coincidence. That's all.