Is conversion necessary for social work, asks Rajnath

[The_Showstopper]

Prove it that any of the conversions were forced.

There are two types of forces: Inducing and aggressive.

My point is, most of the NGO money goes into a mix of both of these methods: former method in case of south India and latter in case of our often-neglected northeast India.

OK... This is an excerpt from news articles....

"We were asked to come dressed and the men were asked to wear their skull caps. Once we got there, they tied sacred threads on the men's wrists and started putting vermilion on our foreheads. They cajoled us to participate in a yajna. We thought that it was just a ceremony that we have to be a part of. Later, when we refused to follow their directions any further, they threatened us and forced us to participate," said Sharifa Begum.

Source: FIR against leaders behind Agra conversion : India, News - India Today

"Nand Kishore, accused of forcibly converting over a 100 people into Hinduism in an Agra village, surrendered before police on Tuesday."

Source: Agra conversion accused surrenders - IBNLive

pakistan sponsors pro secular , pro separatists, etc

Any credible source to prove that?

others sponsors ngo's
it's a known fact man

And what do they get out of it by sponsoring?

 

[About.to.be.banned]

Kashmiri Separatism is not based on Islam and Kashmiris themselves are aware that they future lies with Indian Union. If you see in term of religion then you will see by yourselves that majority of Indian Muslims are loyal to India. Kashmiri Muslims comes under Indian Muslims, so why to keep on calling them Kashmiri Muslims ?

Kashmiri Sepratism is based of Islam, so is Naga sepratism which is based on Christianity. Anyone denying it is a liar and/or an #Adarsh Liberal.


#Adarsh Liberals are incapable of logic, intelligence, and reasoning and hence cannot comprehend this easy fact that the greatest unifying factor of India is/was Hinduism.In India where ever Hindus were/are in minority,that part of India has tried to secede.

When western scholars and politicians predicted demise of India in short time (like Yugoslavia) on basis of its diversity, they were not wrong. Countries as diverse as India had not stay united and common religion has never been a unifying factor. They were correct according to their Eurocentric models. The problem was that their model were based on warmongering Semitic religions. Christianity and Islam had failed to become unifying factor because they are "war religion of Hebrew god". They actively seek conflict. First it would be infidel vs pious, then it would be pious vs less pious, then it be ultra pious vs pious. War religions of Hebrew god (Christianity and Islam) never stop in their quest for piousness. Hinduism and Judaism on other hand has proved themselves to be harbringer of national unity.

One does not even need to be religious Hindu to understand this obvious fact.

Muslim outside Kashmir had not tried to secede because they are in minority everywhere to such an extent that any attempt to secede would result in instant annhilation of Muslims and Islam in India.


Anyone taking dibs that Kerala would be next state from where a seperatist movement would arise! @Tshering22 @MokshaVimukthi @wolfschanzze @SarthakGanguly @hinduguy @nair @SrNair @itachiii @Chronos @levina

 

[Screambowl]

Any credible source to prove that?


And what do they get out of it by sponsoring?

Ask the GOI, they did not ban those NGO's for nothing.

They get what, well they impose such an ideology which favours them and not the national interest.

 

[ManavKalia]

Kashmiri Sepratism is based of Islam, so is Naga sepratism which is based on Christianity. Anyone denying it is a liar and/or an #Adarsh Liberal.


#Adarsh Liberals are incapable of logic, intelligence, and reasoning and hence cannot comprehend this easy fact that the greatest unifying factor of India is/was Hinduism.In India where ever Hindus were/are in minority,that part of India has tried to secede.

When western scholars and politicians predicted demise of India in short time (like Yugoslavia) on basis of its diversity, they were not wrong on basis of their theories and models. Countries as diverse as India had not stay united and common religion has never been a unifying factor. They were correct according to their models. The problem was that their model were based on warmongering semitic religions. Christianity and Islam had failed to become unifying factor because they are "war religion of Hebrew god". They actively seek conflict. First it would be infidel vs pious, then it would be pious vs less pious, then it be ultra pious vs pious. War religions of Hebrew god (Christianity and Islam) never stop in their quest for piousness. Hinduism and Judaism on other hand has proved themselves to be harbringer of national unity.

One does not even need to be religious Hindu to understand this obvious fact.

Muslim outside Kashmir had not tried to secede because they are in minority everywhere to such an extent that any attempt to secede would result in instant annhilation of Muslims and Islam in India.


Anyone taking dibs that Kerala would be next state from where a seperatist movement would arise! @Tshering22 @MokshaVimukthi @wolfschanzze @SarthakGanguly @hinduguy @nair @SrNair @itachiii @Chronos @levina

India is much bigger and diverse country than Yugoslavia. In fact it is the most diverse country on this earth. If you see the number of languages, cultures and sub-cultures in India, no other country has that kind of diversity. Different races, which are linguistically, culturally, and physiologically completely distinct from each other. I'm staying in Delhi, if I move even 50 km from my home, towards the south (Haryana) or towards the east (UP), I find totally different people, in terms of physiology, language, culture, values, garments, cuisine etc.

And I have travelled to many parts of India, many times I have found, culture and language changing within 20 km. I have travelled to different countries also, and the one thing that separates India from all the other countries is this diversity.

How is it possible that such a diverse country hasn't broken up by now, nearly 70 years after it was formed, as many people predicted. There have been so many separatist movements, over the years. Still we are together.

I can only think that in spite of our many differences and problems, there must be a deep nationalistic sentiment inside our psyche, that no matter how much we fight with each other, but when faced with a foreign threat we close ranks, and fight alongside each other to thwart a common enemy.

 

[Hindustani78]

Kashmiri Sepratism is based of Islam, so is Naga sepratism which is based on Christianity. Anyone denying it is a liar and/or an #Adarsh Liberal.

You can have your opinion but i disagree with it because i can give many reasons and in no way i want to start into Islam Vs any religion or India Vs Pakistan.

Elections have held in Jammu and Kashmir and even Ex Separatists like Sajjad Lone have stand in elections and won and become head of Department of Animal Husbandry. So does Sajjad Lone not follower of Islam ?

When western scholars and politicians predicted demise of India in short time (like Yugoslavia) on basis of its diversity, they were not wrong on basis of their theories and models. Countries as diverse as India had not stay united and common religion has never been a unifying factor. They were correct according to their models. The problem was that their model were based on warmongering semitic religions. Christianity and Islam had failed to become unifying factor because they are "war religion of Hebrew god". They actively seek conflict. First it would be infidel vs pious, then it would be pious vs less pious, then it be ultra pious vs pious. War religions of Hebrew god (Christianity and Islam) never stop in their quest for piousness. Hinduism and Judaism on other hand has proved themselves to be harbringer of national unity.

I dont know about which Western scholars and politicians you are talking in here. Republic of India did Pokhran 1 on 18 May 1974 and Indian military was capable of defending its borders. PM P V Narishma Rao have handle the situation during that time.

One does not even need to be religious Hindu to understand this obvious fact.

One does need to be just an Indian to understand the obvious fact.

Muslim outside Kashmir had not tried to secede because they are in minority everywhere to such an extent that any attempt to secede would result in instant annhilation of Muslims and Islam in India.

Indians are living in Indians and were never interested to leaving their ancestors land on the basis of religion. If Indian Muslims are being annhilated within thier ancestors lands on the basis of religion, then it would be annhilation of Indians be they belong to any religion.

 

[jamahir]

Do you think our ancestors where unaware of mining, use of rum, an advancement towards technology? No, they simply did not want a complicated world like today. Hence that was literacy and education. This education what we are taking is Maya/illusion.

india is really the most unnecessarily complicated and materialistic of societies in history.

besides, can you name one machine designed in "ancient india"... or will you say "ancient indians" really wanted to do lot of "hard work", even if that gave them a horrendous life or a life of exploiting others??

 

[Screambowl]

india is really the most unnecessarily complicated and materialistic of societies in history.

and you are part of it c****** ..

 

[jamahir]

and you are part of it c****** ..

college boy, stick to your crude college mates and idiotic college books and wage-slave jobs ( until they last )... real world and its necessity for polite and logical behaviour seems out of your capabilities.

and i really want to see your "pakistani fiancee" see your pdf postings... unless she is a hippie, i don't suppose she would be giggling at your opinions.

 

[Screambowl]

college boy, stick to your crude college mates and idiotic college books and wage-slave jobs ( until they last )... real world and its necessity for polite and logical behaviour seems out of your capabilities.

and i really want to see your "pakistani fiancee" see your pdf postings... unless she is a hippie, i don't suppose she would be giggling at your opinions.

she is perfectly fine, and happy with me. she is not a hippie or huppy, she is lahori and half kashmiri .. and she loves me more than anything. teri post dikhayi meiny.. she is telling me .. becharo ke muh mat lago ..

 

[wolfschanzze]

OK... This is an excerpt from news articles....

"We were asked to come dressed and the men were asked to wear their skull caps. Once we got there, they tied sacred threads on the men's wrists and started putting vermilion on our foreheads. They cajoled us to participate in a yajna. We thought that it was just a ceremony that we have to be a part of. Later, when we refused to follow their directions any further, they threatened us and forced us to participate," said Sharifa Begum.

Source: FIR against leaders behind Agra conversion : India, News - India Today

"Nand Kishore, accused of forcibly converting over a 100 people into Hinduism in an Agra village, surrendered before police on Tuesday."

Source: Agra conversion accused surrenders - IBNLive


Any credible source to prove that?


And what do they get out of it by sponsoring?

Don't you think we cannot make FIR's against Missionary activities and your Islamic Conversions?
Forcibly Converting? Who asked them victims to Participate in the first place? You guys
Showed us how to Convert Native Pagans/Non Muslims to Islam at the cost of Pain(You learnt it from the Christians,Inquistions,Witch Hunt,We learn because of you Ring a bell)?Don't you remember the Sacrifices of Sikh Gurus and Hindus? We are giving it back! Don't like Your History, then do something to alleviate that Karma you carry! It must be Neutralized by somebody.IF You don't do it, Hell yeah! We surely will do it!

Kashmiri Sepratism is based of Islam, so is Naga sepratism which is based on Christianity. Anyone denying it is a liar and/or an #Adarsh Liberal.


#Adarsh Liberals are incapable of logic, intelligence, and reasoning and hence cannot comprehend this easy fact that the greatest unifying factor of India is/was Hinduism.In India where ever Hindus were/are in minority,that part of India has tried to secede.

When western scholars and politicians predicted demise of India in short time (like Yugoslavia) on basis of its diversity, they were not wrong. Countries as diverse as India had not stay united and common religion has never been a unifying factor. They were correct according to their Eurocentric models. The problem was that their model were based on warmongering Semitic religions. Christianity and Islam had failed to become unifying factor because they are "war religion of Hebrew god". They actively seek conflict. First it would be infidel vs pious, then it would be pious vs less pious, then it be ultra pious vs pious. War religions of Hebrew god (Christianity and Islam) never stop in their quest for piousness. Hinduism and Judaism on other hand has proved themselves to be harbringer of national unity.

One does not even need to be religious Hindu to understand this obvious fact.

Muslim outside Kashmir had not tried to secede because they are in minority everywhere to such an extent that any attempt to secede would result in instant annhilation of Muslims and Islam in India.


Anyone taking dibs that Kerala would be next state from where a seperatist movement would arise! @Tshering22 @MokshaVimukthi @wolfschanzze @SarthakGanguly @hinduguy @nair @SrNair @itachiii @Chronos @levina

Don't want to go in brief, but i Know how Pakistanis,Christians,Jamatis,Evangelicals behave in Europe and Outside I was not born Yesterday!

 

[MokshaVimukthi]

Hope you have not forget that we had wars with China and Pakistan and by the way military is there to protect borders, so where you want the military to be stationed not on the borders but inside cities ?

Do you know the difference between BSF and CRPF ? or the Indian army ? Military belongs to the Barracks during peace time. Kashmir is not the only border state in India. Punjab, Rajasthan, Gujarat area all border states with pakistan.

Kashmiris are even Indian Muslims.

Yes they are.But not all indian muslims are Kashmiris.

We know the reasons behind it and it was done by Maharaja of Kashmir.

LOL. What did the Maharaja of Kashmir do that was not done by the maharaja of the other 200 kindoms in India ? ........ except for the religion of his people, what else was different ? Utter nonsense.

Anyone taking dibs that Kerala would be next state from where a seperatist movement would arise! @Tshering22 @MokshaVimukthi @wolfschanzze @SarthakGanguly @hinduguy @nair @SrNair @itachiii @Chronos @levina

Kerala is far too lazy, comfortable and educated to inspire seperatism. Most will choose to emigrate out and settle in other countries like the Punjabis.

 

[SrNair]

Kashmiri Sepratism is based of Islam, so is Naga sepratism which is based on Christianity. Anyone denying it is a liar and/or an #Adarsh Liberal.


#Adarsh Liberals are incapable of logic, intelligence, and reasoning and hence cannot comprehend this easy fact that the greatest unifying factor of India is/was Hinduism.In India where ever Hindus were/are in minority,that part of India has tried to secede.

When western scholars and politicians predicted demise of India in short time (like Yugoslavia) on basis of its diversity, they were not wrong. Countries as diverse as India had not stay united and common religion has never been a unifying factor. They were correct according to their Eurocentric models. The problem was that their model were based on warmongering Semitic religions. Christianity and Islam had failed to become unifying factor because they are "war religion of Hebrew god". They actively seek conflict. First it would be infidel vs pious, then it would be pious vs less pious, then it be ultra pious vs pious. War religions of Hebrew god (Christianity and Islam) never stop in their quest for piousness. Hinduism and Judaism on other hand has proved themselves to be harbringer of national unity.

One does not even need to be religious Hindu to understand this obvious fact.

Muslim outside Kashmir had not tried to secede because they are in minority everywhere to such an extent that any attempt to secede would result in instant annhilation of Muslims and Islam in India.


Anyone taking dibs that Kerala would be next state from where a seperatist movement would arise! @Tshering22 @MokshaVimukthi @wolfschanzze @SarthakGanguly @hinduguy @nair @SrNair @itachiii @Chronos @levina

There is a hell of difference between Kerala and other states in India.Lack of education was the problem in Malabar in earlier decades.Now that is not a problem.Except Malappuram all other districts has Hindu majority.

 

[Tshering22]

Kashmiri Separatism is not based on Islam and Kashmiris themselves are aware that they future lies with Indian Union. If you see in term of religion then you will see by yourselves that majority of Indian Muslims are loyal to India. Kashmiri Muslims comes under Indian Muslims, so why to keep on calling them Kashmiri Muslims ?

I don't think you understood terrorism in thAT state in any sense.

It is religious in all the manners and intention possible. The Muslims of Kashmir are mostly cross border people infiltrated into the state throughout the years from the other side, bred with the local people and created a demographic warfare against the local Hindus, Buddhists and Sikhs. You clearly forgot the boards that were put 'Kashmir mein rehna hoga toh lailahaillallah kehna hoga'. Even now, vermin like Geela-ni and Malik openly say this.

Demographic warfare is a long used weapon against indigenous people by organized religions.

If you are in denial of that, you are simply denying global history.

OK... This is an excerpt from news articles....

"We were asked to come dressed and the men were asked to wear their skull caps. Once we got there, they tied sacred threads on the men's wrists and started putting vermilion on our foreheads. They cajoled us to participate in a yajna. We thought that it was just a ceremony that we have to be a part of. Later, when we refused to follow their directions any further, they threatened us and forced us to participate," said Sharifa Begum.

Source: FIR against leaders behind Agra conversion : India, News - India Today

"Nand Kishore, accused of forcibly converting over a 100 people into Hinduism in an Agra village, surrendered before police on Tuesday."

Source: Agra conversion accused surrenders - IBNLive


Any credible source to prove that?


And what do they get out of it by sponsoring?

How is this even a proof. MSM?

This same MSM ignores actual problems when we or the other communities point out about conversions used by church or clerics or even rioting mobs of muslims.

Sorry, man.

Sources that post only one side or even a lie don't count.

Taali do haathon se bajti hai.

 

[magudi]

@SrNair @Tshering22 @MokshaVimukthi Uncle Sam may be indirectly funding religious conversion in India

Nothing that we don't know already but still a good read

 

[SarthakGanguly]

It has nothing to do with Islam because even number of Kashmiri Muslim police and security personals have been martyrs defending the soveriginity and intergity of India.

Jammu & Kashmir Police - In the service of the Nation since 1873

A disproportionate number of them are actually Shia, and ahmedia... that is non Muslim. Outside srinagar the ratio is more natural...