Is conversion necessary for social work, asks Rajnath

[Screambowl]

Are you telling me that Christianity has brought terrorism in North East? If so can you elaborate how?

Any external hand if involved in changing the demographic distribution of a region, is a part of proxy war. And external threat. This shows the weakness in our internal security.

 

[Jayanta]

The answer is yes it is....I asked the same question once to our Principal Father G K Prakash. My father was transferred from Nowgaon, Assam to Guwahati...I was studying in Christ Jyoti School, Nowgaon...and with father's recommendation I could have got admission into Guwahati Don Bosco the best missionary school in Guwahati...he said if I convert I will get that letter. (although I was the 3rd in the class) else I won't. I asked him do I have to be a Christian to follow Jesus's preachings....his answer was until I Baptise and accept Jesus as the saviour...following the 10 commandments and Jesus means nothing ...(well the 10 commandments were laid by Moses).

Are you telling me that Christianity has brought terrorism in North East? If so can you elaborate how?

Well that will be a false statement. Christianity has not brought terrorism in NE....it is more to do with the neglect north-east policy of the centre.

 

[The_Showstopper]

Any external hand if involved in changing the demographic distribution of a region, is a part of proxy war. And external threat. This shows the weakness in our internal security.

Why are you getting paranoid mate? So which country is going to benefit once the Indian populace converts to Christianity? US, UK or Italy? Missionaries are involved all over the world to obviously convert people but not because some country has sinister plans for you...

 

[Screambowl]

Why are you getting paranoid mate? So which country is going to benefit once the Indian populace converts to Christianity? US, UK or Italy? Missionaries are involved all over the world to obviously convert people but not because some country has sinister plans for you...

all the above you mentioned. Why? because when you are christian( western ideology) you are allowed to eat pork, beef, consume rum, wear like western, and promote western products. This becomes a major business achievement for all those industries.

Just imagine if you are selling rum, and you cannot tap the Muslims due to religion, or hindus, well that's a big loss. Take it this ways

 

[The_Showstopper]

The answer is yes it is....I asked the same question once to our Principal Father G K Prakash. My father was transferred from Nowgaon, Assam to Guwahati...I was studying in Christ Jyoti School, Nowgaon...and with father's recommendation I could have got admission into Guwahati Don Bosco the best missionary school in Guwahati...he said if I convert I will get that letter. (although I was the 3rd in the class) else I won't. I asked him do I have to be a Christian to follow Jesus's preachings....his answer was until I Baptise and accept Jesus as the saviour...following the 10 commandments and Jesus means nothing ...(well the 10 commandments were laid by Moses).

If what you said is true, then it was obviously wrong. But every organisation has its own objectives, some may be monetary profits and others may have different objectives, So at the end of the day, not many organisations are out there to do charity...

all the above you mentioned. Why? because when you are christian( western ideology) you are allowed to eat pork, beef, consume rum, wear like western, and promote western products. This becomes a major business achievement for all those industries.

Just imagine if you are selling rum, and you cannot tap the Muslims due to religion, or hindus, well that's a big loss. Take it this ways

And you think Hindus are not eating beef, pork or consuming alcohol. We already use a lot of western products even without becoming a christian our self. You staying in there(West) while being a staunch Hindu(my guess) use the very products you consider western. So what I ask is, Is conversion important to make people buy their products as we are already doing that without converting...

 

[Screambowl]

And you think Hindus are not eating beef, pork or consuming alcohol. We already use a lot of western products even without becoming a christian our self. You staying in there(West) while being a staunch Hindu(my guess) use the very products you consider western. So what I ask is, Is conversion important to make people buy their products as we are already doing that without converting...

only few and rarely.

The point is simple, if you are a christian, you will boycott a lot of swadeshi goods , than now.

 

[The_Showstopper]

only few and rarely.

The point is simple, if you are a christian, you will boycott a lot of swadeshi goods , than now.

Then I must say you are unaware of the happenings in India, We already know that many hindus also eat beef, many have started eating pork and consumption of alcoholism has always been prevalent.... And how did you come to a conclusion that christians boycott swadeshi goods? Any credible source to support your claims?

 

[Screambowl]

Then I must say you are unaware of the happenings in India, We already know that many hindus also eat beef, many have started eating pork and consumption of alcoholism has always been prevalent.... And how did you come to a conclusion that christians boycott swadeshi goods? Any credible source to support your claims?

yeah influence of western culture, some are becoming communist. My Hindu friend was wearing cross just because it looks cool.. idiots all around. Intellectual subversion is happening

 

[The_Showstopper]

yeah influence of western culture, some are becoming communist. My Hindu friend was wearing cross just because it looks cool.. idiots all around. Intellectual subversion is happening

Now you can call it idiotic or whatever but the point is West/Christian/European culture already has a lot of influence on our daily lives and this has happened while you and me still stick to our religious identity...

 

[Screambowl]

Now you can call it idiotic or whatever but the point is West/Christian/European culture already has a lot of influence on our daily lives and this has happened while you and me still stick to our religious identity...

Sticking to religion without identity is what I fear. You are not understanding what I want to say. This is what has happened to Muslims in middle east.

 

[The_Showstopper]

Sticking to religion without identity is what I fear. You are not understanding what I want to say. This is what has happened to Muslims in middle east.

Can you elaborate?

 

[Screambowl]

Can you elaborate?

the confusion among people in Middle east , what exactly to follow , the western lucrative culture or their tradition (irrespective of religion) is what caused the trouble.

In current scenario, when you say Christianity , it means liberation, fraternity, modernisation , literacy, etc etc. All these are western terms which only serve western agenda.

Liberation from parents, rules, morals is today's actual affect of Liberation/freedom

Modernisation in consuming alcohol, smoking, one night stand, being cool, wearing Reebok Nike, zara is what actual modernisation is.

literacy mean to value the western product, western literature , western ideology.. is what literacy is.


Do you think our ancestors where unaware of mining, use of rum, an advancement towards technology? No, they simply did not want a complicated world like today. Hence that was literacy and education. This education what we are taking is Maya/illusion.

 

[MokshaVimukthi]

Well that will be a false statement. Christianity has not brought terrorism in NE....it is more to do with the neglect north-east policy of the centre.

Not really.

Terrorist will always find a "Reason" to justify their terrorism. Christian Terrorism and separatism in the N.E is a reality. For the longest time the centre has neglected pretty much every state in India including Gujarat. Do you find them supporting Seperatism ?

Here is the first e.g. out of many

The National Liberation Front of Tripura (NLFT), is a terrorist group that seeks the secession of Tripura, North-East India. Group activities have been described as Christian terrorists engaging in terrorist violence motivated by their Christian beliefs.

The NLFT includes in its aims the forced conversion of all tribespeople in Tripura to Christianity. The NLFT says that it is fighting not only for the removal of Bengali immigrants from the tribal areas, "but also for the tribal areas of the state to become overtly Christian", and "has warned members of the tribal community that they may be attacked if they do not accept its Christian agenda". The state government contends that the Baptist Church of Tripura supplies arms and gives financial support to the NLFT.

Over 20 Hindus in Tripura were reported to have been killed by the NLFT from 1999 to 2001 for resisting forced conversion to Christianity. According to Hindus in the area, there have also been forced conversions of tribal villagers to Christianity by armed NLFT militants. These forcible conversions, sometimes including the use of "rape as a means of intimidation". In 2000, the NLFT broke into a temple and gunned down a popular Hindu preacher popularly known as Shanti Kali.


Second e.g. is NDFB i.e. National Democratic Front for Bodoland from Assam. They are fight to expel all NON Christians from their land and convert everyone to Christianity.

The latest massacre on 23 December 2014 is also reported to have religious motives.

The tribal people were on the target of the NDFB(S) since the moment they started praising the RSS and tried to come into the Hindu fold. The Hindu nationalists were gaining hold on the North-East and a few days back the tribal children were seen praying under saffron flag. The NDFB(S) and other Christian outfits issued warning against them not to participate in such Hindu programmes.


Third e.g. is National Socialist Council of Nagaland (NSCN) who is fighting for "Nagaland for Christ"

Forth e.g. is Manipur, India is losing Manipur due to Christian terrorism | Sulekha Creative

Its a long long list if I continue down this path. But hope you get the picture.

 

[MokshaVimukthi]

Why should I be ashamed for anything ?

You forgot to mention even a single reason for points I raised.

Plain rhetoric won't do.

You are right. Freeze their source of funding. Half of the problem will be sorted.

You should be ashamed of trying to brush the truth under the carpet.

Here is the real reason for conversion to christianity during British rule.

 

[Hindustani78]

Are you telling me that Christianity has brought terrorism in North East? If so can you elaborate how?

Its not the fault of Christianity but of the international geo politics.