Is anyone else Agnostic/Atheist here?

[JonAsad]

Try to think of it as 'nothing'. Does 'nothing' mean a 'non-thing'? There are two sets, if you remember some of the maths. God/Religion is one set and anti-religion is another set. Both of them are disjoint sets. 'Atheism' lies in between them.

If i follow your logic-- Atheism comes in the same scale-- same subset of a set- Do it have independent value- NO
You cant separate it from religion-

Let's please not be so sensitive. Learn to tolerate different opinions in life. It'll make you a better person.

This is not the issue-- and you just cannot restrain from taking a pot shot- can you- any way I am not Sensitive- and thats not what i am here to discuss-
The issue here is the Rule- The scale on which things are measured, judged and censored- Certainly you will not want a thread on religion-- where i test your sensitivities-- Nor do I-

 

[FreekiN]

Who's the chick in the avatar?

Mila Kunis, from The Book of Eli.

But let's stick to the topic.

 

[siegecrossbow]

I'm more of a Deist but borderline agnostic.

 

[The HBS Guy]

Mila Kunis, from The Book of Eli.

Ahaa, I remember!

But let's stick to the topic.

What say we make her the topic from now on?

Just kidding.

 

[Hyde]

ok peoples - i think i have presented my point of view quite clearly and i think its right time for me to quit

yes i also agree with T-Faz's PoV and I seriously have no problem with any kind of thread peoples want to create. But all I am asking for is the equal treatment for everybody that I sincerely think the justice is not provided when it comes to those religious issues that has more to do with social affairs and not religion but the threads are often deleted in the name of proselyte.

Technically these are all faiths that you have. You believe there is no God that is why you adapt atheism (applies to majority) and religion is a name of "belief" that you adapt.

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

I see in your above post you are talking about atheists or agnostics are not allowed to openly express their beliefs or opinions in Pakistan- or they are not accepted in Muslim society or in Pakistan- Or they are being suppressed-- some are threatened etc etc--

The way i see it this thread is already being shaped against one community and one religion- Now how can in such circumstance you can expect a muslim or a pakistani to remain silent?--

The bolded part-- i am sure some of them had very bad experiences with Muslims-- one way or another its gonna turn into religious bashings- Believe me- its inevitable

I wouldn't have had to make that post if some hadn't created a stink about the thread. That said, the fear is real. I don't discuss my religious beliefs when in Pakistan except in very select company, and recent events of intolerance and extremism exhibited in Pakistan (Asia, Taseer, etc.) don't make me feel any safer.

 

[JonAsad]

I wouldn't have had to make that post if some hadn't created a stink about the thread. That said, the fear is real. I don't discuss my religious beliefs when in Pakistan except in very select company, and recent events of intolerance and extremism exhibited in Pakistan (Asia, Taseer, etc.) don't make me feel any safer.

Ok-- No Problem
As a human- i can understand the situation- and i can feel this discrimination- its not fair-

So-
One serious question from my atheist and agnostic brothers and sisters out there- just for my General Knowledge-

What you believe will happen to you when you die?-

i will not reply- i just want to know-

 

[The HBS Guy]

If i follow your logic-- Atheism comes in the same scale-- same subset of a set- Do it have independent value- NO
You cant separate it from religion-

Ok let me put it this way:

A = Religion/God
B= Atheism
C= Anti-religion/Anti-God.

You are confusing the portions ABC and BC for whole of set C.

Further, let me add,

n(AC) = 0

n(BC) = Some finite number not equal to n(C)

I'll let you figure out the meaning of that.

This is not the issue-- and you just cannot restrain from taking a pot shot- can you- any way I am not Sensitive- and thats not what i am here to discuss-
The issue here is the Rule- The scale on which things are measured, judged and censored- Certainly you will not want a thread on religion-- where i test your sensitivities-- Nor do I-

I'm not taking a potshot at you or anyone. Let's please not go down that road.

 

[Mutee]

Ok since both the respected admin and mod are insisting it's perfectly within the forum rules to ask for annopnion on "other matters" my advice to you is to convert sir convert to the religion of the believers religion of islam now feel happy just solved your problem op that's my opinion

 

[JonAsad]

Ok let me put it this way:

A = Religion/God
B= Atheism
C= Anti-religion/Anti-God.

You are confusing the portions ABC and BC for whole of set C.

Further, let me add,

n(AC) = 0

I'll let you figure out the meaning of that.



I'm not taking a potshot at you or anyone. Let's please not go down that road.

you just repeated what you previously said-

and i said- its the same subset of a set- cannot separate it-- the overlapping area between A B and C- if you cant separate it then your whole theory will go down the gutter
and thats what it is- you just cannot separate it from religion- or in technical terms- A from B

 

[Iota]

Mods can you please close this topic? This topic was created for a simple purpose, but many members seem to be over-analyzing it. Sorry for all the trouble caused by this!

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

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Sir as far as I am concerned ahmadis are non Muslims so any law that bans them from calling themselves muslim I am in support of that and don't want to revoke it but what he is asking is a PERSONAL thing in my opinion he's not represeting All the atheists here is he ? He's not representing bill maher is he ? it was strange how u made connection between particular individual and a sect

Don't you see the hypocrisy here? You are perfectly willing to shove your religious beliefs on another community, through LAWS that discriminate openly against them, yet you cannot tolerate a simple thread created by a tiny Pakistani minority to socialize in, especially given that the tiny community fears discrimination and persecution if they talk about their beliefs in the real world.

 

[The HBS Guy]

you just repeated what you previously said-

and i said- its the same subset of a set- cannot separate it-- the overlapping area between A B and C- if you cant separate it then your whole theory will go down the gutter
and thats what it is- you just cannot separate it from religion-

I so wish I could find the right Venn diagram for the idea that I want to convey. Lemme try paint.

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

One serious question from my atheist and agnostic brothers and sisters out there- just for my General Knowledge-

What you believe will happen to you when you die?

My answer is this: "I don't know".

Just my personal perspective, I don't think there is any way for me "personally" to know for sure what happens after death. And I am comfortable with this situation.

From a Chinese cultural perspective, the traditional belief is that you will go to "Di Yu" (the Underworld), and be judged by "Yan Wang" (King Yama). "Di yu" (the Underworld) serves as a sort of "purgatory", that prepares you for "reincarnation" into the next life.

 

[Shattered]

I am an atheist but i won't discuse my opinion on relegion here. Though i don't have any problem with most christians,muslims,jew,hindus or what ever. Its just the stupid people who say you'll go to hell for not beleiveing that anoye me.

oh and to thoses people who pity us we don't need your pity keep it your self thank you very much

@jonasad I beleive everything ends when you die but i sopouse a better awnser would be i don't know. And people who think they are 100% sure about whats gonna happen well here is my awnser. I am not gonna beleive you and you ask why is that ? because i my self don't know for sure whats gonna happen and you don't posese any mental ability beyond my my mental ablites to know it.

peace